More cracks in Trumps Christian act

[guno]

Which one is which Godless liberals? Stupid thread and this isn't going to take Trump down....one can smell the desperation as Trump keeps steam rolling

at the bottom of the urinal

 

[Lumpy 1]

The soulless believers seem upset that not all Christians are the same, they seem to believe Christians should all be devout and placed in their preconceived box. Faith ranges from simply believing they have a soul to extreme life dedication.

Posts like this are funny....

See if we call everyone a Christian when all they do is "simply believing they have a soul", then they live like pagans.

Then people on this forum, which I've seen thousands of times, call Christians hypocrites, because they call people like the above, "christian", and yet they live like trash.

And they are right. You call yourself Christian, and you are no more christian, than Pol Pot. Pol Pot likely believed he had a soul, and likely also believed the 1.5 Million he slaughtered had souls too.

Hypocrite. Christianity is based on the Bible. The Bible has some basic moral beliefs you are supposed to follow if you are a Christian. You don't get to make it up, and just call whatever bonkers version of faith you subscribe to, is "christian". You are not a Christian.

Even Jesus said "Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'"

And how will he respond?

And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Lot of people on the day of judgement, are going to say "wait wait I'm a Christian!" and Jesus is going to kick them right out. Depart from me, you workers of LAWLESSNESS. Lawlessness. People who say there is no moral right and wrong. There is no defined morality.

"I'm a Christian who just simply believes I have a soul!".... Yeah... Well Jesus says that's not going to work out well for you. So either you believe Jesus Christ... Christ meaning Christian.... or you don't, and if you don't, then stop calling yourself a Christian. Because you are not.

Eh, I was referring to a range of devotion but you're certainly welcome to pass judgement from your perspective and do some box sorting yourself..

 

[Andylusion]

Don't you Christians realize that Trump is simply using churches as a prop to get your vote?

You mean like Obama did? And Clinton did? And Carter did? I actually had a lady tell me Carter was a great president... "He was a Sunday School teacher!".

Trump.... is a politician. He is engaged in politics. Everyone on the right wing, knows Trump is being a politician.

Of course he's just using his political stops as a prop to get votes.

Obama on the 2012 campaign. "Don't you Christians realize that Obama is simply using churches as a prop to get your vote?"

Hypocrite much?

 

[Andylusion]

The soulless believers seem upset that not all Christians are the same, they seem to believe Christians should all be devout and placed in their preconceived box. Faith ranges from simply believing they have a soul to extreme life dedication.

Posts like this are funny....

See if we call everyone a Christian when all they do is "simply believing they have a soul", then they live like pagans.

Then people on this forum, which I've seen thousands of times, call Christians hypocrites, because they call people like the above, "christian", and yet they live like trash.

And they are right. You call yourself Christian, and you are no more christian, than Pol Pot. Pol Pot likely believed he had a soul, and likely also believed the 1.5 Million he slaughtered had souls too.

Hypocrite. Christianity is based on the Bible. The Bible has some basic moral beliefs you are supposed to follow if you are a Christian. You don't get to make it up, and just call whatever bonkers version of faith you subscribe to, is "christian". You are not a Christian.

Even Jesus said "Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'"

And how will he respond?

And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Lot of people on the day of judgement, are going to say "wait wait I'm a Christian!" and Jesus is going to kick them right out. Depart from me, you workers of LAWLESSNESS. Lawlessness. People who say there is no moral right and wrong. There is no defined morality.

"I'm a Christian who just simply believes I have a soul!".... Yeah... Well Jesus says that's not going to work out well for you. So either you believe Jesus Christ... Christ meaning Christian.... or you don't, and if you don't, then stop calling yourself a Christian. Because you are not.

Eh, I was referring to a range of devotion but you're certainly welcome to pass judgement from your perspective and do some box sorting yourself..

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What did I say that was untrue?

 

[turzovka]

Two Corinthians walk into a bar was pretty good and his fake story about the bible mommy gave him was to throw up. Drumpf saying he does pray to a god stopped just short of saying HE is the One True God Yadda Yadda but this is a hoot -

Four links, two to conservative sites, pick and choose as you wish.

Trump Just Made An Embarassing Mistake In Church That Has Many Shaking Their Heads

Donald Trump Confuses Communion Plate For Offertory During Church Visit

Trump’s cringeworthy gaffe during Communion at Iowa church | New York Post

Trump reportedly mistakes communion plate for offering plate

Betcha the fundie nutters are turning themselves into pretzels lying about this one.

As a Catholic I would make the same mistake in other churches. The collection is given well before Holy Communion, and there is no communion dish passed amongst the crowd.

Trump seems like he realizes he needs to play the part more for his own candidacy's sake. So he is trying.

But even if we Christians are onto him, that is not the issue here at all. Devout Christians do not vote for the candidate who is also the most Christian or devout. They vote for the candidate that appears to give them the best chance of running this country in the way they would prefer. And if Trump has a far better chance of getting done what they would like to see than some devout church attendee, like maybe Bush, their choice is easy -- Trump.

don't you hand the money to the statues?

You are not even the slightest bit interested in knowing truth, are you?

That is what Jesus meant when he said cast not pearls before swine.

very sad.

 

[Lumpy 1]

The soulless believers seem upset that not all Christians are the same, they seem to believe Christians should all be devout and placed in their preconceived box. Faith ranges from simply believing they have a soul to extreme life dedication.

Posts like this are funny....

See if we call everyone a Christian when all they do is "simply believing they have a soul", then they live like pagans.

Then people on this forum, which I've seen thousands of times, call Christians hypocrites, because they call people like the above, "christian", and yet they live like trash.

And they are right. You call yourself Christian, and you are no more christian, than Pol Pot. Pol Pot likely believed he had a soul, and likely also believed the 1.5 Million he slaughtered had souls too.

Hypocrite. Christianity is based on the Bible. The Bible has some basic moral beliefs you are supposed to follow if you are a Christian. You don't get to make it up, and just call whatever bonkers version of faith you subscribe to, is "christian". You are not a Christian.

Even Jesus said "Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'"

And how will he respond?

And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Lot of people on the day of judgement, are going to say "wait wait I'm a Christian!" and Jesus is going to kick them right out. Depart from me, you workers of LAWLESSNESS. Lawlessness. People who say there is no moral right and wrong. There is no defined morality.

"I'm a Christian who just simply believes I have a soul!".... Yeah... Well Jesus says that's not going to work out well for you. So either you believe Jesus Christ... Christ meaning Christian.... or you don't, and if you don't, then stop calling yourself a Christian. Because you are not.

Eh, I was referring to a range of devotion but you're certainly welcome to pass judgement from your perspective and do some box sorting yourself..

View attachment 61989

What did I say that was untrue?

True for you, nothing I suppose.

 

[Andylusion]

The soulless believers seem upset that not all Christians are the same, they seem to believe Christians should all be devout and placed in their preconceived box. Faith ranges from simply believing they have a soul to extreme life dedication.

Posts like this are funny....

See if we call everyone a Christian when all they do is "simply believing they have a soul", then they live like pagans.

Then people on this forum, which I've seen thousands of times, call Christians hypocrites, because they call people like the above, "christian", and yet they live like trash.

And they are right. You call yourself Christian, and you are no more christian, than Pol Pot. Pol Pot likely believed he had a soul, and likely also believed the 1.5 Million he slaughtered had souls too.

Hypocrite. Christianity is based on the Bible. The Bible has some basic moral beliefs you are supposed to follow if you are a Christian. You don't get to make it up, and just call whatever bonkers version of faith you subscribe to, is "christian". You are not a Christian.

Even Jesus said "Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'"

And how will he respond?

And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Lot of people on the day of judgement, are going to say "wait wait I'm a Christian!" and Jesus is going to kick them right out. Depart from me, you workers of LAWLESSNESS. Lawlessness. People who say there is no moral right and wrong. There is no defined morality.

"I'm a Christian who just simply believes I have a soul!".... Yeah... Well Jesus says that's not going to work out well for you. So either you believe Jesus Christ... Christ meaning Christian.... or you don't, and if you don't, then stop calling yourself a Christian. Because you are not.

Eh, I was referring to a range of devotion but you're certainly welcome to pass judgement from your perspective and do some box sorting yourself..

View attachment 61989

What did I say that was untrue?

True for you, nothing I suppose.

True, is true for everyone. Truth is not subjective. It is either true, or it is not true. For you, for me, for everyone on this forum, for everyone on this planet.

Truth is absolute, it is intolerant, it is painful. But it is... True.

 

[cnm]

Truth is absolute, it is intolerant, it is painful. But it is... True.

But the evidence of truth is not inviolable. Does true for you change as the evidence for it changes?

 

[cnm]

What truth are you talking when you say Christianity is based on the bible, the truth of Leviticus?

 

[Lumpy 1]

The soulless believers seem upset that not all Christians are the same, they seem to believe Christians should all be devout and placed in their preconceived box. Faith ranges from simply believing they have a soul to extreme life dedication.

Posts like this are funny....

See if we call everyone a Christian when all they do is "simply believing they have a soul", then they live like pagans.

Then people on this forum, which I've seen thousands of times, call Christians hypocrites, because they call people like the above, "christian", and yet they live like trash.

And they are right. You call yourself Christian, and you are no more christian, than Pol Pot. Pol Pot likely believed he had a soul, and likely also believed the 1.5 Million he slaughtered had souls too.

Hypocrite. Christianity is based on the Bible. The Bible has some basic moral beliefs you are supposed to follow if you are a Christian. You don't get to make it up, and just call whatever bonkers version of faith you subscribe to, is "christian". You are not a Christian.

Even Jesus said "Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'"

And how will he respond?

And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Lot of people on the day of judgement, are going to say "wait wait I'm a Christian!" and Jesus is going to kick them right out. Depart from me, you workers of LAWLESSNESS. Lawlessness. People who say there is no moral right and wrong. There is no defined morality.

"I'm a Christian who just simply believes I have a soul!".... Yeah... Well Jesus says that's not going to work out well for you. So either you believe Jesus Christ... Christ meaning Christian.... or you don't, and if you don't, then stop calling yourself a Christian. Because you are not.

Eh, I was referring to a range of devotion but you're certainly welcome to pass judgement from your perspective and do some box sorting yourself..

View attachment 61989

What did I say that was untrue?

True for you, nothing I suppose.

True, is true for everyone. Truth is not subjective. It is either true, or it is not true. For you, for me, for everyone on this forum, for everyone on this planet.

Truth is absolute, it is intolerant, it is painful. But it is... True.

I disagree, some truths are certainly absolute but faith is a personal perspective of truth.

How about you start a thread entitled, "Only Devout Christians Know Truth" and be illuminated on your perspective.

 

[Andylusion]

Truth is absolute, it is intolerant, it is painful. But it is... True.

But the evidence of truth is not inviolable. Does true for you change as the evidence for it changes?

The evidence hasn't changed in this case. The Bible hasn't changed in 2,000 years.

 

[Andylusion]

Posts like this are funny....

See if we call everyone a Christian when all they do is "simply believing they have a soul", then they live like pagans.

Then people on this forum, which I've seen thousands of times, call Christians hypocrites, because they call people like the above, "christian", and yet they live like trash.

And they are right. You call yourself Christian, and you are no more christian, than Pol Pot. Pol Pot likely believed he had a soul, and likely also believed the 1.5 Million he slaughtered had souls too.

Hypocrite. Christianity is based on the Bible. The Bible has some basic moral beliefs you are supposed to follow if you are a Christian. You don't get to make it up, and just call whatever bonkers version of faith you subscribe to, is "christian". You are not a Christian.

Even Jesus said "Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'"

And how will he respond?

And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Lot of people on the day of judgement, are going to say "wait wait I'm a Christian!" and Jesus is going to kick them right out. Depart from me, you workers of LAWLESSNESS. Lawlessness. People who say there is no moral right and wrong. There is no defined morality.

"I'm a Christian who just simply believes I have a soul!".... Yeah... Well Jesus says that's not going to work out well for you. So either you believe Jesus Christ... Christ meaning Christian.... or you don't, and if you don't, then stop calling yourself a Christian. Because you are not.

Eh, I was referring to a range of devotion but you're certainly welcome to pass judgement from your perspective and do some box sorting yourself..

View attachment 61989

What did I say that was untrue?

True for you, nothing I suppose.

True, is true for everyone. Truth is not subjective. It is either true, or it is not true. For you, for me, for everyone on this forum, for everyone on this planet.

Truth is absolute, it is intolerant, it is painful. But it is... True.

I disagree, some truths are certainly absolute but faith is a personal perspective of truth.

How about you start a thread entitled, "Only Devout Christians Know Truth" and be illuminated on your perspective.

No, if you want to believe is something else... fine. Call yourself a Buddhist, or pagan, or Confucianism, or whatever the heck faith you want.

But, if you want to say you are Christian.... there is only one version of Christian, and that's the one based on Jesus Christ, and there is only one book that reveals the faith of Jesus Christ, and that's the Bible.

Therefore, Christian, is the one who believe in Biblical Christianity. If you don't believe in that version of Christianity... then you are NOT a Christian.

Period. Period. There is no other version of Christian.

And if you doubt that, then you are wrong. The Bible says so... Jesus says so. And since Jesus Christ is the author of Christianity... then that is it.

 

[Lumpy 1]

Eh, I was referring to a range of devotion but you're certainly welcome to pass judgement from your perspective and do some box sorting yourself..

View attachment 61989

What did I say that was untrue?

True for you, nothing I suppose.

True, is true for everyone. Truth is not subjective. It is either true, or it is not true. For you, for me, for everyone on this forum, for everyone on this planet.

Truth is absolute, it is intolerant, it is painful. But it is... True.

I disagree, some truths are certainly absolute but faith is a personal perspective of truth.

How about you start a thread entitled, "Only Devout Christians Know Truth" and be illuminated on your perspective.

No, if you want to believe is something else... fine. Call yourself a Buddhist, or pagan, or Confucianism, or whatever the heck faith you want.

But, if you want to say you are Christian.... there is only one version of Christian, and that's the one based on Jesus Christ, and there is only one book that reveals the faith of Jesus Christ, and that's the Bible.

Therefore, Christian, is the one who believe in Biblical Christianity. If you don't believe in that version of Christianity... then you are NOT a Christian.

Period. Period. There is no other version of Christian.

And if you doubt that, then you are wrong. The Bible says so... Jesus says so. And since Jesus Christ is the author of Christianity... then that is it.

Which version/translation of the Bible do you believe is absolute Truth, just wondering..

Check this link....

List of English Bible translations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Andylusion]

What did I say that was untrue?

True for you, nothing I suppose.

True, is true for everyone. Truth is not subjective. It is either true, or it is not true. For you, for me, for everyone on this forum, for everyone on this planet.

Truth is absolute, it is intolerant, it is painful. But it is... True.

I disagree, some truths are certainly absolute but faith is a personal perspective of truth.

How about you start a thread entitled, "Only Devout Christians Know Truth" and be illuminated on your perspective.

No, if you want to believe is something else... fine. Call yourself a Buddhist, or pagan, or Confucianism, or whatever the heck faith you want.

But, if you want to say you are Christian.... there is only one version of Christian, and that's the one based on Jesus Christ, and there is only one book that reveals the faith of Jesus Christ, and that's the Bible.

Therefore, Christian, is the one who believe in Biblical Christianity. If you don't believe in that version of Christianity... then you are NOT a Christian.

Period. Period. There is no other version of Christian.

And if you doubt that, then you are wrong. The Bible says so... Jesus says so. And since Jesus Christ is the author of Christianity... then that is it.

Which version/translation of the Bible do you believe is absolute Truth, just wondering..

Check this link....

List of English Bible translations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

First off, if you believe that the Bible is full of lies, (non-truth), then you calling yourself a Christian, is equal to saying you a believer in lies.

Translations are translations. The Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek.

The answer to your question is, every single translation that is accurate to the Hebrew Aramaic and Greek, is true.

If you find a translation that is not accurate to the Bible, then it is false.

Beyond that, all the translations that are accurate, all say the same things. Which translation says "you shall not lie" isn't in the Ten Commandments? Which translation says sleeping with a woman you are not married to, is acceptable? Which translation says Jesus was not the Son of God, and didn't die for sins?

None of them. They all say the same thing.

I personally read through the Bible every year. I have read the NIV, NET, NLV, NLT, CEB, ASV, AKJV. KJV, AMP, CJB, DBY, ESV, and ISV.

Thus far, out of all of those translations, not one was inaccurate to the original text. Nor did they conflict with each other in any meaningful.

 

[Lumpy 1]

True for you, nothing I suppose.

True, is true for everyone. Truth is not subjective. It is either true, or it is not true. For you, for me, for everyone on this forum, for everyone on this planet.

Truth is absolute, it is intolerant, it is painful. But it is... True.

I disagree, some truths are certainly absolute but faith is a personal perspective of truth.

How about you start a thread entitled, "Only Devout Christians Know Truth" and be illuminated on your perspective.

No, if you want to believe is something else... fine. Call yourself a Buddhist, or pagan, or Confucianism, or whatever the heck faith you want.

But, if you want to say you are Christian.... there is only one version of Christian, and that's the one based on Jesus Christ, and there is only one book that reveals the faith of Jesus Christ, and that's the Bible.

Therefore, Christian, is the one who believe in Biblical Christianity. If you don't believe in that version of Christianity... then you are NOT a Christian.

Period. Period. There is no other version of Christian.

And if you doubt that, then you are wrong. The Bible says so... Jesus says so. And since Jesus Christ is the author of Christianity... then that is it.

Which version/translation of the Bible do you believe is absolute Truth, just wondering..

Check this link....

List of English Bible translations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

First off, if you believe that the Bible is full of lies, (non-truth), then you calling yourself a Christian, is equal to saying you a believer in lies.

Translations are translations. The Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek.

The answer to your question is, every single translation that is accurate to the Hebrew Aramaic and Greek, is true.

If you find a translation that is not accurate to the Bible, then it is false.

Beyond that, all the translations that are accurate, all say the same things. Which translation says "you shall not lie" isn't in the Ten Commandments? Which translation says sleeping with a woman you are not married to, is acceptable? Which translation says Jesus was not the Son of God, and didn't die for sins?

None of them. They all say the same thing.

I personally read through the Bible every year. I have read the NIV, NET, NLV, NLT, CEB, ASV, AKJV. KJV, AMP, CJB, DBY, ESV, and ISV.

Thus far, out of all of those translations, not one was inaccurate to the original text. Nor did they conflict with each other in any meaningful.

Well, it's been interesting and we've arrived at my whatever moment. moving on and welcome to the USMB.

 

[Andylusion]

True, is true for everyone. Truth is not subjective. It is either true, or it is not true. For you, for me, for everyone on this forum, for everyone on this planet.

Truth is absolute, it is intolerant, it is painful. But it is... True.

I disagree, some truths are certainly absolute but faith is a personal perspective of truth.

How about you start a thread entitled, "Only Devout Christians Know Truth" and be illuminated on your perspective.

No, if you want to believe is something else... fine. Call yourself a Buddhist, or pagan, or Confucianism, or whatever the heck faith you want.

But, if you want to say you are Christian.... there is only one version of Christian, and that's the one based on Jesus Christ, and there is only one book that reveals the faith of Jesus Christ, and that's the Bible.

Therefore, Christian, is the one who believe in Biblical Christianity. If you don't believe in that version of Christianity... then you are NOT a Christian.

Period. Period. There is no other version of Christian.

And if you doubt that, then you are wrong. The Bible says so... Jesus says so. And since Jesus Christ is the author of Christianity... then that is it.

Which version/translation of the Bible do you believe is absolute Truth, just wondering..

Check this link....

List of English Bible translations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

First off, if you believe that the Bible is full of lies, (non-truth), then you calling yourself a Christian, is equal to saying you a believer in lies.

Translations are translations. The Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek.

The answer to your question is, every single translation that is accurate to the Hebrew Aramaic and Greek, is true.

If you find a translation that is not accurate to the Bible, then it is false.

Beyond that, all the translations that are accurate, all say the same things. Which translation says "you shall not lie" isn't in the Ten Commandments? Which translation says sleeping with a woman you are not married to, is acceptable? Which translation says Jesus was not the Son of God, and didn't die for sins?

None of them. They all say the same thing.

I personally read through the Bible every year. I have read the NIV, NET, NLV, NLT, CEB, ASV, AKJV. KJV, AMP, CJB, DBY, ESV, and ISV.

Thus far, out of all of those translations, not one was inaccurate to the original text. Nor did they conflict with each other in any meaningful.

Well, it's been interesting and we've arrived at my whatever moment. moving on and welcome to the USMB.

Long time member. Thanks. See you around.

 

[Lumpy 1]

I disagree, some truths are certainly absolute but faith is a personal perspective of truth.

How about you start a thread entitled, "Only Devout Christians Know Truth" and be illuminated on your perspective.

No, if you want to believe is something else... fine. Call yourself a Buddhist, or pagan, or Confucianism, or whatever the heck faith you want.

But, if you want to say you are Christian.... there is only one version of Christian, and that's the one based on Jesus Christ, and there is only one book that reveals the faith of Jesus Christ, and that's the Bible.

Therefore, Christian, is the one who believe in Biblical Christianity. If you don't believe in that version of Christianity... then you are NOT a Christian.

Period. Period. There is no other version of Christian.

And if you doubt that, then you are wrong. The Bible says so... Jesus says so. And since Jesus Christ is the author of Christianity... then that is it.

Which version/translation of the Bible do you believe is absolute Truth, just wondering..

Check this link....

List of English Bible translations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

First off, if you believe that the Bible is full of lies, (non-truth), then you calling yourself a Christian, is equal to saying you a believer in lies.

Translations are translations. The Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek.

The answer to your question is, every single translation that is accurate to the Hebrew Aramaic and Greek, is true.

If you find a translation that is not accurate to the Bible, then it is false.

Beyond that, all the translations that are accurate, all say the same things. Which translation says "you shall not lie" isn't in the Ten Commandments? Which translation says sleeping with a woman you are not married to, is acceptable? Which translation says Jesus was not the Son of God, and didn't die for sins?

None of them. They all say the same thing.

I personally read through the Bible every year. I have read the NIV, NET, NLV, NLT, CEB, ASV, AKJV. KJV, AMP, CJB, DBY, ESV, and ISV.

Thus far, out of all of those translations, not one was inaccurate to the original text. Nor did they conflict with each other in any meaningful.

Well, it's been interesting and we've arrived at my whatever moment. moving on and welcome to the USMB.

Long time member. Thanks. See you around.

Alas, first time I've noticed you. I hope not the last...later..

 

[cnm]

The evidence hasn't changed in this case. The Bible hasn't changed in 2,000 years.

For gods' sakes, it changed at Nicea. But I see you really are an idiot, my mistake, fair enough.

 

[cnm]

And since Jesus Christ is the author of Christianity... then that is it.

Gods.

 

[Andylusion]

The evidence hasn't changed in this case. The Bible hasn't changed in 2,000 years.

For gods' sakes, it changed at Nicea. But I see you really are an idiot, my mistake, fair enough.

Really? You can prove this?

Because in the Dead Sea scrolls, they found a complete copy of Isaiah, which dates back to 335 BC. The first council of Nicea was 325 AD. So almost 700 years before the Council of Nicea. Yet the complete scroll of Isaiah, matches up perfectly, with the current Bible we have today.

So do tell.... which book would you suggest that the Council of Nicea changed, altered, modified, from what it said before, and what proof do you have of that?

By the way... I wonder if you even know what they did at the Council of Nicea. Not even sure you know what you are talking about.