Morality of Wealth Redistribution

[DiamondDave]

Oh... and do you also need me to link you to the definitions of administration and redistribution??...

This is like clubbing a baby seal.. but less fun

 

[The T]

Oh... and do you also need me to link you to the definitions of administration and redistribution??...

This is like clubbing a baby seal.. but less fun

*CLUB AWAY* I'm enjoying it...About time these idiots were put in their place. KUDOS to you.

 

[JFK_USA]

The fact of the matter is that without these people who don't make millions of dollars are actually making their company millions of dollars means they should get a bigger piece of the pie they helped earn.

You know why? They have idiots like you saying "Oh you are useless because you don't make millions of dollars." They know they will get away with not paying the worker more for increased productivity because they aren't special millionaires. Go ahead, ask for a pay raise, you'll get laughed out of the building or fired on the spot. But I know every republican on here make millions so of course they eat this shit up because hey why get the fair share of what you bring to a company when they can lowball you and make you feel useless.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The fact of the matter is that without these people who don't make millions of dollars are actually making their company millions of dollars means they should get a bigger piece of the pie they helped earn.

You know why? They have idiots like you saying "Oh you are useless because you don't make millions of dollars." They know they will get away with not paying the worker more for increased productivity because they aren't special millionaires. Go ahead, ask for a pay raise, you'll get laughed out of the building or fired on the spot. But I know every republican on here make millions so of course they eat this shit up because hey why get the fair share of what you bring to a company when they can lowball you and make you feel useless.

Yes all of us conservatives are millionaires. I confess!..
Jesus Christ. Have a you clue how ridiculous this post makes you appear?
Oh on the employment front...If you don't think your skills are respected enough to merit more pay, here's a novel idea....start your own business. Then the only person you can ***** at for not being paid enough is YOU!

 

[manifold]

Again... your OPINION... which is ALL you based your definitions on.... There is a HUGE difference between administration and redistribution

In your opinion. Which apparently differs from mine.

Glad we cleared that up.

No... in actuality,, you can look up the definition of government... and of taxation.. and nowhere in there is there anything about redistribution..

Sorry.. that is FACT

Go back to school, son

from previous post...

...subjects like this are great jumping off points for exploratory and open minded discussion of things that at there core, are still merely philosophical opinions. Without exception, whatever anyone posits on this subject, it is an opinion. And that opinion in turn, is based on some other opinion. And so on. At no point in this discussion is it possible to trace the formation of one’s final opinion back to irrefutable fact. This alone usually sends the more astute ‘partisans’ into the shadows. The less astute will boldly challenge the aforementioned truism and disqualify themselves from my further consideration.

But whatcha gonna do?

 

[Foxfyre]

The fact of the matter is that without these people who don't make millions of dollars are actually making their company millions of dollars means they should get a bigger piece of the pie they helped earn.

You know why? They have idiots like you saying "Oh you are useless because you don't make millions of dollars." They know they will get away with not paying the worker more for increased productivity because they aren't special millionaires. Go ahead, ask for a pay raise, you'll get laughed out of the building or fired on the spot. But I know every republican on here make millions so of course they eat this shit up because hey why get the fair share of what you bring to a company when they can lowball you and make you feel useless.

Yes all of us conservatives are millionaires. I confess!..
Jesus Christ. Have a you clue how ridiculous this post makes you appear?
Oh on the employment front...If you don't think your skills are respected enough to merit more pay, here's a novel idea....start your own business. Then the only person you can ***** at for not being paid enough is YOU!

That's right. The last twenty years that I worked for somebody else before we went into business for ourselves, I worked straight commission. By choice. No retirement or health plan other than what I provided for myself. No job security other than making myself valuable to those who hired me. No paid holidays or vacations. No benefits of any kind. Just agreed fees for work performed. And almost all of us who chose to work on commission out earned the salaried personnel with benefits by a LOT.

There was no way I could be overpaid nor underpaid because I controlled what I earned.

When in business for ourselves, our income depends on how skilled we are in managing that business, how well we can sell our services to those willing to pay for them, and how hard we are willing to work to get ahead. There are many variables in that. But as CEO, how much I choose to pay myself is purely my choice and should be nobody's business but mine.

Through taxes and fees, the community shares the cost of lights, power, sewers, roads, and fire and police protection and the rich man and poor man share in these alike.

But otherwise. . .

If it is immoral for me to take your property and give it to somebody else . . .
If it is immoral for me to pay somebody else to take your property and give it to somebody else. . . .
Then it is immoral for the government to take your property and give it to somebody else.

 

[Wiseacre]

The fact of the matter is that without these people who don't make millions of dollars are actually making their company millions of dollars means they should get a bigger piece of the pie they helped earn.

You know why? They have idiots like you saying "Oh you are useless because you don't make millions of dollars." They know they will get away with not paying the worker more for increased productivity because they aren't special millionaires. Go ahead, ask for a pay raise, you'll get laughed out of the building or fired on the spot. But I know every republican on here make millions so of course they eat this shit up because hey why get the fair share of what you bring to a company when they can lowball you and make you feel useless.

Yes all of us conservatives are millionaires. I confess!..
Jesus Christ. Have a you clue how ridiculous this post makes you appear?
Oh on the employment front...If you don't think your skills are respected enough to merit more pay, here's a novel idea....start your own business. Then the only person you can ***** at for not being paid enough is YOU!

That's right. The last twenty years that I worked for somebody else before we went into business for ourselves, I worked straight commission. By choice. No retirement or health plan other than what I provided for myself. No job security other than making myself valuable to those who hired me. No paid holidays or vacations. No benefits of any kind. Just agreed fees for work performed. And almost all of us who chose to work on commission out earned the salaried personnel with benefits by a LOT.

There was no way I could be overpaid nor underpaid because I controlled what I earned.

When in business for ourselves, our income depends on how skilled we are in managing that business, how well we can sell our services to those willing to pay for them, and how hard we are willing to work to get ahead. There are many variables in that. But as CEO, how much I choose to pay myself is purely my choice and should be nobody's business but mine.

Through taxes and fees, the community shares the cost of lights, power, sewers, roads, and fire and police protection and the rich man and poor man share in these alike.

But otherwise. . .

If it is immoral for me to take your property and give it to somebody else . . .
If it is immoral for me to pay somebody else to take your property and give it to somebody else. . . .
Then it is immoral for the government to take your property and give it to somebody else.

Amen, Foxy.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The fact of the matter is that without these people who don't make millions of dollars are actually making their company millions of dollars means they should get a bigger piece of the pie they helped earn.

You know why? They have idiots like you saying "Oh you are useless because you don't make millions of dollars." They know they will get away with not paying the worker more for increased productivity because they aren't special millionaires. Go ahead, ask for a pay raise, you'll get laughed out of the building or fired on the spot. But I know every republican on here make millions so of course they eat this shit up because hey why get the fair share of what you bring to a company when they can lowball you and make you feel useless.

Yes all of us conservatives are millionaires. I confess!..
Jesus Christ. Have a you clue how ridiculous this post makes you appear?
Oh on the employment front...If you don't think your skills are respected enough to merit more pay, here's a novel idea....start your own business. Then the only person you can ***** at for not being paid enough is YOU!

That's right. The last twenty years that I worked for somebody else before we went into business for ourselves, I worked straight commission. By choice. No retirement or health plan other than what I provided for myself. No job security other than making myself valuable to those who hired me. No paid holidays or vacations. No benefits of any kind. Just agreed fees for work performed. And almost all of us who chose to work on commission out earned the salaried personnel with benefits by a LOT.

There was no way I could be overpaid nor underpaid because I controlled what I earned.

When in business for ourselves, our income depends on how skilled we are in managing that business, how well we can sell our services to those willing to pay for them, and how hard we are willing to work to get ahead. There are many variables in that. But as CEO, how much I choose to pay myself is purely my choice and should be nobody's business but mine.

Through taxes and fees, the community shares the cost of lights, power, sewers, roads, and fire and police protection and the rich man and poor man share in these alike.

But otherwise. . .

If it is immoral for me to take your property and give it to somebody else . . .
If it is immoral for me to pay somebody else to take your property and give it to somebody else. . . .
Then it is immoral for the government to take your property and give it to somebody else.

Oh but you'll get flamed from those who view not only a great paying job as an entitlement but benefits and a pension as well.
This comes from the belief that all business owners are wealthy and greedy. That they seek to enrich only themselves. That their highest priority is to use people and keep them down so that the business owner has to share as little of his ill gotten bounty with the employees.
It's the same old tired song we are subjected to each election cycle.
The people are downtrodden while the business owners are getting richer. Blah blah blah....

 

[Foxfyre]

Yes all of us conservatives are millionaires. I confess!..
Jesus Christ. Have a you clue how ridiculous this post makes you appear?
Oh on the employment front...If you don't think your skills are respected enough to merit more pay, here's a novel idea....start your own business. Then the only person you can ***** at for not being paid enough is YOU!

That's right. The last twenty years that I worked for somebody else before we went into business for ourselves, I worked straight commission. By choice. No retirement or health plan other than what I provided for myself. No job security other than making myself valuable to those who hired me. No paid holidays or vacations. No benefits of any kind. Just agreed fees for work performed. And almost all of us who chose to work on commission out earned the salaried personnel with benefits by a LOT.

There was no way I could be overpaid nor underpaid because I controlled what I earned.

When in business for ourselves, our income depends on how skilled we are in managing that business, how well we can sell our services to those willing to pay for them, and how hard we are willing to work to get ahead. There are many variables in that. But as CEO, how much I choose to pay myself is purely my choice and should be nobody's business but mine.

Through taxes and fees, the community shares the cost of lights, power, sewers, roads, and fire and police protection and the rich man and poor man share in these alike.

But otherwise. . .

If it is immoral for me to take your property and give it to somebody else . . .
If it is immoral for me to pay somebody else to take your property and give it to somebody else. . . .
Then it is immoral for the government to take your property and give it to somebody else.

Oh but you'll get flamed from those who view not only a great paying job as an entitlement but benefits and a pension as well.
This comes from the belief that all business owners are wealthy and greedy. That they seek to enrich only themselves. That their highest priority is to use people and keep them down so that the business owner has to share as little of his ill gotten bounty with the employees.
It's the same old tired song we are subjected to each election cycle.
The people are downtrodden while the business owners are getting richer. Blah blah blah....

And there are employers who take wrong advantage of their employees. That is the price we pay for freedom. If we do not allow people to do business poorly and/or be assholes, there is no freedom at all.

But those employers who want good, loyal people who will put the employer's interests at the front as well as their own will pay their people as well as they reasonably can and still make a decent profit. It is to everybody's advantage that the business succeed, prosper, and grow. It becomes a social contract between employer and employee for the mutual benefit of all.

Those employees who work only for their own benefit are employees who are generally less happy in their work and less valuable to their employers. But you're right. There are some who see it as their employer's duty and responsibility to support the employee in grand fashion whether the employee is loyal and valuable or not.

 

[Immanuel]

democrats steal trillions and trillions of wealth then get shot in the head like in AZ, still having the audacity to act surprised.....why? why?

Is anyone really surprised?



a thief got shot


Nothing more

Please tell me you are not defending the attempted murder of Rep. Giffords. Because it sure seems to be what you are hinting at. Despite what I feel about politicians and their tax policies, it does not come close to comparing with attempted murder.

Immie

 

[Spoonman]

I have no problem paying for my share of services. I do have a problem paying for someone to live who is only going to spit out more welfare babies and make the problem worse. that is not a very progressive idea

 

[MikeK]

I worked until 11 pm last night.
WHY is someone that has been undisciplined, made wrong choices one after another as habit, sits at home and watches American Idol and is addicted to mooching entitled to any of my earnings?

Are you referring to a specific individual or do you believe everyone who for one reason or other falls below the poverty line has done so by choice with the definable objective of "mooching" from you?

While there always will be the ten percent who manage to exploit the aid mechanism of our economy do you believe the entire mechanism should be scrapped because of that comparative few?

One way to look at your having worked 'til 11PM is in view of the current unemployment statistic you are fortunate to have that opportunity. There are plenty of "moochers" who would eagerly and happily relieve you of the burden.

Count your blessings, Dawg. And cast some of your bread upon the waters. It won't break you.

 

[MikeK]

I have no problem paying for my share of services. I do have a problem paying for someone to live who is only going to spit out more welfare babies and make the problem worse. that is not a very progressive idea

You've presented a valid complaint but that situation is easily fixed.

New York City (under Mayor Koch) adopted a policy which denies increase in benefits to women who become pregnant and deliver babies while on public assistance -- but free abortion services are available.

The result was a dramatic decrease in so-called "welfare babies."

 

[DiamondDave]

I worked until 11 pm last night.
WHY is someone that has been undisciplined, made wrong choices one after another as habit, sits at home and watches American Idol and is addicted to mooching entitled to any of my earnings?

Are you referring to a specific individual or do you believe everyone who for one reason or other falls below the poverty line has done so by choice with the definable objective of "mooching" from you?

While there always will be the ten percent who manage to exploit the aid mechanism of our economy do you believe the entire mechanism should be scrapped because of that comparative few?

One way to look at your having worked 'til 11PM is in view of the current unemployment statistic you are fortunate to have that opportunity. There are plenty of "moochers" who would eagerly and happily relieve you of the burden.

Count your blessings, Dawg. And cast some of your bread upon the waters. It won't break you.

Cast the bread on your own... it's not the same when someone forcibly restrains you to go into your pantry, uses your arm to grab the bread and throw it in the water

Nobody is owed jack shit in this life...

 

[Spoonman]

I have no problem paying for my share of services. I do have a problem paying for someone to live who is only going to spit out more welfare babies and make the problem worse. that is not a very progressive idea

You've presented a valid complaint but that situation is easily fixed.

New York City (under Mayor Koch) adopted a policy which denies increase in benefits to women who become pregnant and deliver babies while on public assistance -- but free abortion services are available.

The result was a dramatic decrease in so-called "welfare babies."

i give him a high 5 for that. now if he could just get them to work

 

[Nic_Driver]

What's your opinion on the morality of taking money from those who earned it and giving it to people who haven't?

I am opposed to the movement of our nation’s capital upward, to those who haven't earned it.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

I have no problem paying for my share of services. I do have a problem paying for someone to live who is only going to spit out more welfare babies and make the problem worse. that is not a very progressive idea

You've presented a valid complaint but that situation is easily fixed.

New York City (under Mayor Koch) adopted a policy which denies increase in benefits to women who become pregnant and deliver babies while on public assistance -- but free abortion services are available.

The result was a dramatic decrease in so-called "welfare babies."

And an increase in baby killing at tax payers expense.

 

[Rodack]

democrats steal trillions and trillions of wealth then get shot in the head like in AZ, still having the audacity to act surprised.....why? why?

Is anyone really surprised?



a thief got shot


Nothing more

Please tell me you are not defending the attempted murder of Rep. Giffords. Because it sure seems to be what you are hinting at. Despite what I feel about politicians and their tax policies, it does not come close to comparing with attempted murder.

Immie

If a thief broke in your home, would you shot him/her?


Thieves get shot



We call that social justice

 

[Immanuel]

democrats steal trillions and trillions of wealth then get shot in the head like in AZ, still having the audacity to act surprised.....why? why?

Is anyone really surprised?



a thief got shot


Nothing more

Please tell me you are not defending the attempted murder of Rep. Giffords. Because it sure seems to be what you are hinting at. Despite what I feel about politicians and their tax policies, it does not come close to comparing with attempted murder.

Immie

If a thief broke in your home, would you shot him/her?


Thieves get shot



We call that social justice

There is a big difference between self-defense and stalking your victim with the intent to commit murder.

Immie

 

[The T]

I have no problem paying for my share of services. I do have a problem paying for someone to live who is only going to spit out more welfare babies and make the problem worse. that is not a very progressive idea

Exactly. The Statists have made it too easy for brood mares to scam the system.