Zone1 moral objections to continued unipolarism, multilaterism and 'modern warfare in general'.

[GavanPeacefan]

I may need a pep talk.
I find myself less and less able to support NATO + EU in all matters Ukraine, Lithuania, Palestine, Taiwan, Iran, North-Korea.
And at the same time, handing my support to the latter countries certainly doesn't feel right either.
What's left then? Pacifist cowardice? The Dutch (my country's people) already did that towards the Germans in 1940s.
We got occupation, hundreds of thousands of deaths and a winter of starvation for it in return

Here's how I see "modern warfare" : the rich(est) are the main culprits, along with their buddies in the military, intelligence and police worlds.
The rich(est) will leave any sinking ship (country!) as soon as the war hits that country's shores, to seek cheap accomodation in more peaceful nations (so long as those can be found anywhere of course) to continue to do their oh-so important "economic work" (fostering their own greed!).

Catch my drift here, folks?
I am more than a little depressed today.

 

[Donald H]

I may need a pep talk.
I find myself less and less able to support NATO + EU in all matters Ukraine, Lithuania, Palestine, Taiwan, Iran, North-Korea.
And at the same time, handing my support to the latter countries certainly doesn't feel right either.
What's left then? Pacifist cowardice? The Dutch (my country's people) already did that towards the Germans in 1940s.
We got occupation, hundreds of thousands of deaths and a winter of starvation for it in return

You're clearly saying that you're a victim of America's propaganda.

What does it matter if you as one aware American can break free, when you know and understand that it's a million to one odds for you.

Fwiw, you can start by also understanding that fascism can't be stopped!

 

[GavanPeacefan]

You're clearly saying that you're a victim of America's propaganda.

What does it matter if you as one aware American can break free, when you know and understand that it's a million to one odds for you.

Fwiw, you can start by also understanding that fascism can't be stopped!

here's the thing; i'm working on next-gen social media software (Company overview for Nicer Enterprises), so it's not exactly 1-million-to-one odds for me, nor can fascism / nazism stop me if i really put my mind to stopping NATO. I could -with some ease btw, thanks to the enormous social powers of the internet-, easily shame ourselves stunned temporarily or permanently.

but then there's the question : would the other guys be better?
autocrats? nope.
polit bureaus? nope.
aristocracies? nope.
oligarchies? also no.
socialism then? nah.. too idealistic and wasteful, and also corrupt on top of that.
and the list goes on, all negatives.

it seems as if we humans can ONLY compete each other to the death, especially during cold- and conventional world wars! :-(

 

[GavanPeacefan]

might i suggest we switch our entire defensive + offensive strategies + tactics set to 'multi-cultural assertive multi-polarism'?
aka : 'truly sharing the world with each other without turning wimpish about it'?

and not just on behalf of the marxists / socialists. on behalf of all life on the planet.

 

[GavanPeacefan]

The Sage of Main Street : why do you disagree? if you don't reply honestly and to the best of your abilities; per NicerApp WebOS homepage, you make yourselves there in main street potential victims of awful events.

 

[beagle9]

I may need a pep talk.
I find myself less and less able to support NATO + EU in all matters Ukraine, Lithuania, Palestine, Taiwan, Iran, North-Korea.
And at the same time, handing my support to the latter countries certainly doesn't feel right either.
What's left then? Pacifist cowardice? The Dutch (my country's people) already did that towards the Germans in 1940s.
We got occupation, hundreds of thousands of deaths and a winter of starvation for it in return

Here's how I see "modern warfare" : the rich(est) are the main culprits, along with their buddies in the military, intelligence and police worlds.
The rich(est) will leave any sinking ship (country!) as soon as the war hits that country's shores, to seek cheap accomodation in more peaceful nations (so long as those can be found anywhere of course) to continue to do their oh-so important "economic work" (fostering their own greed!).

Catch my drift here, folks?
I am more than a little depressed today.

So basically what you are saying is that government's have gotten away from representing a people/culture that was proving to be of sound mind, factually stable and/or civilized for the most part, and all in favor of their lust and desire to play or become gods in their own mind's or thinking themselves.

Go to now ye rich men -

Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.

2. Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.

3. Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

4. Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.

5. Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.

6. Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.

7. Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.

8. Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

9. Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.

10. Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.

11. Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

12. But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.

13. Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.

14. Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

15. And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

16. Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

17. Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.

18. And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.

19. Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;

20. Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

 

[beagle9]

might i suggest we switch our entire defensive + offensive strategies + tactics set to 'multi-cultural assertive multi-polarism'?
aka : 'truly sharing the world with each other without turning wimpish about it'?

and not just on behalf of the marxists / socialists. on behalf of all life on the planet.

Without God as the bedrock of society, then it is a pipe dream to think that a turn can be made for the better without him, otherwise within the type of thinking the left would be suggesting today.

 

[GavanPeacefan]

Without God as the bedrock of society, then it is a pipe dream to think that a turn can be made for the better without him, otherwise within the type of thinking the left would be suggesting today.

Maybe God isn't against multi-polaric assertive sharing of this world by all humans

 

[beagle9]

Maybe God isn't against multi-polaric assertive sharing of this world by all humans

No he's not against Godly human beings sharing anything. It's just when the evil in spirit show up, then that's when it can definitely go to crap real fast.

Anti-Christ individuals or people that form anti-Christian groups are at odds with or they are anti-anything Christian. They are the detriment to society's civilized efforts to stay somewhat unified.... The left dreams of becoming unified in some sort of kumbaya utopic fantasy world within a world to then exclude God, so if it involves Christians or Godly people, then the left wants no part of them being involved in their agenda or in their little world created within a bigger world. Why ? Because the left knows that they are wrong, and it's really that simple.

 

[GavanPeacefan]

No he's not against Godly human beings sharing anything. It's just when the evil in spirit show up, then that's when it can definitely go to crap real fast.

Anti-Christ individuals or people that form anti-Christian groups are at odds with or they are anti-anything Christian. They are the detriment to society's civilized efforts to stay somewhat unified.... The left dreams of becoming unified in some sort of kumbaya utopic fantasy world within a world to then exclude God, so if it involves Christians or Godly people, then the left wants no part of them being involved in their agenda or in their little world created within a bigger world. Why ? Because the left knows that they are wrong, and it's really that simple.

Yeah. I already knew 'the left' doesn't have any real answers worth following either, especially not in NATO foreign policy.

 

[GavanPeacefan]

fun joke for in between :
why is nationalism alright if done in moderation with peaks in wartime?
because nationalism is the best way to keep food production up.
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