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Modern Christianity's Moral Dilemma: "Love the sinner hate the sin"

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I firmly believe this to be a moral problem because on issues of homosexuality the idea of love the sinner, hate the sin appears to be inherently contradictory. For instance, if one has homosexual tendencies and those tendencies actualize in concrete behavior and are unforced, then the Christian notion would imply that both the sin and sinner are actually hated. Since homosexuality is rejected in Christianity it is safe to say that many Christians who hate the lifestyle would in fact hate the person within the lifestyle. Ypu cannot separate lifestyle from the person just as you cannot separate hip-hop from one who is immersed in the culture of Hip-Hop.

I find this piece of Christian philosophy problematic.
 

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Christians are odd in this country, some let it happen, some get upset, most don't want to allow gay marriage. It's kind of and kind of not their choice. Yet they don't really do requirements anymore, it's like a freestyle now, do what you want, church when you want. I think Christianity as the religion it's supposed to be is dying in America. The Christians aren't though, to me it doesn't matter how big they are, they are changing many things. And I don't like hypocritical decisions. But they can't decide anymore
 
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Christians are odd in this country, some let it happen, some get upset, most don't want to allow gay marriage. It's kind of and kind of not their choice. Yet they don't really do requirements anymore, it's like a freestyle now, do what you want, church when you want. I think Christianity as the religion it's supposed to be is dying in America. The Christians aren't though, to me it doesn't matter how big they are, they are changing many things. And I don't like hypocritical decisions. But they can't decide anymore

I see where your going and your right. You also can add the issue of therapist who try to use therapeutic techniques to try to turn you away from the gay lifestyle. In essence they say "your true self is not good enough."
 

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I firmly believe this to be a moral problem because on issues of homosexuality the idea of love the sinner, hate the sin appears to be inherently contradictory. For instance, if one has homosexual tendencies and those tendencies actualize in concrete behavior and are unforced, then the Christian notion would imply that both the sin and sinner are actually hated. Since homosexuality is rejected in Christianity it is safe to say that many Christians who hate the lifestyle would in fact hate the person within the lifestyle. Ypu cannot separate lifestyle from the person just as you cannot separate hip-hop from one who is immersed in the culture of Hip-Hop.

I find this piece of Christian philosophy problematic.

Do you have any idea how stupid you are? Do parents stop loving their children because they do things wrong? Does the fat that parents still love their kids even if they lie, cheat, and steal cause a moral dilemma? Do you even know how to think?
 
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I firmly believe this to be a moral problem because on issues of homosexuality the idea of love the sinner, hate the sin appears to be inherently contradictory. For instance, if one has homosexual tendencies and those tendencies actualize in concrete behavior and are unforced, then the Christian notion would imply that both the sin and sinner are actually hated. Since homosexuality is rejected in Christianity it is safe to say that many Christians who hate the lifestyle would in fact hate the person within the lifestyle. Ypu cannot separate lifestyle from the person just as you cannot separate hip-hop from one who is immersed in the culture of Hip-Hop.

I find this piece of Christian philosophy problematic.

Do you have any idea how stupid you are? Do parents stop loving their children because they do things wrong? Does the fat that parents still love their kids even if they lie, cheat, and steal cause a moral dilemma? Do you even know how to think?


Quantum Douchebag ....

God is not a parent.....

The capabilities of God and a human parent(s) is incomparable.

Entertaining this stupid idea I ask if God truly loved "the gays" why would he consider homosexuality an abomination and destroy Sodom and Gemorrah? Why allow homosexual tendencies within species to exist? If he finds the behavior so abhorrent? Let me guess you'll say:

Humans are of a higher moral standard than some homosexual fish. You'll probably go on to say God allows homosexuality to test us. I wonder what stupid response you'll come up with.
 
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I firmly believe this to be a moral problem because on issues of homosexuality the idea of love the sinner, hate the sin appears to be inherently contradictory. For instance, if one has homosexual tendencies and those tendencies actualize in concrete behavior and are unforced, then the Christian notion would imply that both the sin and sinner are actually hated. Since homosexuality is rejected in Christianity it is safe to say that many Christians who hate the lifestyle would in fact hate the person within the lifestyle. Ypu cannot separate lifestyle from the person just as you cannot separate hip-hop from one who is immersed in the culture of Hip-Hop.

I find this piece of Christian philosophy problematic.

Do you have any idea how stupid you are? Do parents stop loving their children because they do things wrong? Does the fat that parents still love their kids even if they lie, cheat, and steal cause a moral dilemma? Do you even know how to think?


Quantum Douchebag ....

God is not a parent.....

The capabilities of God and a human parent(s) is incomparable.

Entertaining this stupid idea I ask if God truly loved "the gays" why would he consider homosexuality an abomination and destroy Sodom and Gemorrah?

I'm sorry, I forgot that you are the only person in existence who is qualified to comment on what God is, and is not.

That idiocy aside, we aren't talking about God, we are talking about the ability of people to love another person even if they sin. Since the concept of parent seems to be to hard for your feeble brain to comprehend, what about brothers and sisters? Is it possible for them to care about each other even if they do something wrong?

How about friends? Do they stop caring about each other simply because one of them screws up?
 

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I firmly believe this to be a moral problem because on issues of homosexuality the idea of love the sinner, hate the sin appears to be inherently contradictory. For instance, if one has homosexual tendencies and those tendencies actualize in concrete behavior and are unforced, then the Christian notion would imply that both the sin and sinner are actually hated. Since homosexuality is rejected in Christianity it is safe to say that many Christians who hate the lifestyle would in fact hate the person within the lifestyle. Ypu cannot separate lifestyle from the person just as you cannot separate hip-hop from one who is immersed in the culture of Hip-Hop.

I find this piece of Christian philosophy problematic.

Do you have any idea how stupid you are? Do parents stop loving their children because they do things wrong? Does the fat that parents still love their kids even if they lie, cheat, and steal cause a moral dilemma? Do you even know how to think?

I know of some Christians who would kick their kids out of the family home because they were homosexual. Those same 'Christians' claimed to love their children. Funny way of showing it.
 

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Most of my fellow Christians talk a good game about forgiveness, but aren't really all that christian in their daily lives.


Now that's not really that hard to understand is it?
 

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I firmly believe this to be a moral problem because on issues of homosexuality the idea of love the sinner, hate the sin appears to be inherently contradictory. For instance, if one has homosexual tendencies and those tendencies actualize in concrete behavior and are unforced, then the Christian notion would imply that both the sin and sinner are actually hated. Since homosexuality is rejected in Christianity it is safe to say that many Christians who hate the lifestyle would in fact hate the person within the lifestyle. Ypu cannot separate lifestyle from the person just as you cannot separate hip-hop from one who is immersed in the culture of Hip-Hop.

I find this piece of Christian philosophy problematic.

Do you have any idea how stupid you are? Do parents stop loving their children because they do things wrong? Does the fat that parents still love their kids even if they lie, cheat, and steal cause a moral dilemma? Do you even know how to think?

I know of some Christians who would kick their kids out of the family home because they were homosexual. Those same 'Christians' claimed to love their children. Funny way of showing it.

Funny, I don't recall saying everyone is perfect, I am just pointing out how stupid Aristotle is.
 

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USMB Poster "Aristotle" is just a huge failure. When he first appeared he showed great promise but blew it on the racialist threads he started.

If I want to read race bating or religion hating threads I'll just look for rDean.
 

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I firmly believe this to be a moral problem because on issues of homosexuality the idea of love the sinner, hate the sin appears to be inherently contradictory. For instance, if one has homosexual tendencies and those tendencies actualize in concrete behavior and are unforced, then the Christian notion would imply that both the sin and sinner are actually hated. Since homosexuality is rejected in Christianity it is safe to say that many Christians who hate the lifestyle would in fact hate the person within the lifestyle. Ypu cannot separate lifestyle from the person just as you cannot separate hip-hop from one who is immersed in the culture of Hip-Hop.

I find this piece of Christian philosophy problematic.

The post is psychobbble. It's not "safe to say that many Christians who hate the lifestyle would hate the person". The anti-Christian left spends way too much time dwelling on the concepts of hatred.
 

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I firmly believe this to be a moral problem because on issues of homosexuality the idea of love the sinner, hate the sin appears to be inherently contradictory. For instance, if one has homosexual tendencies and those tendencies actualize in concrete behavior and are unforced, then the Christian notion would imply that both the sin and sinner are actually hated. Since homosexuality is rejected in Christianity it is safe to say that many Christians who hate the lifestyle would in fact hate the person within the lifestyle. Ypu cannot separate lifestyle from the person just as you cannot separate hip-hop from one who is immersed in the culture of Hip-Hop.

I find this piece of Christian philosophy problematic.

The post is psychobbble. It's not "safe to say that many Christians who hate the lifestyle would hate the person". The anti-Christian left spends way too much time dwelling on the concepts of hatred.

Meh. I don't have a problem with the concept of "love the sinner hate the sin". I'm not a Christian, but I also don't hate Christians. I just get into arguments with them from time to time. The ones I consider true Christians usually don't have a problem with it.

Whitehall, I agree that the left is often consumed with notions of hate. That's probably one of my biggest beefs with them, that so much of their agenda seems fueled by envy and resentment, and for all their talk of tolerance, many seem the least capable of it.

Be that as it may, it is unfortunate that so many Christians make such easy targets for it. I can see past it for the sake of civil discourse myself, but the Christian rank and file have a difficult time escaping what looks and quacks like hate.

As painful as it may seem, the best course of action for Christians is to try and remain above the fray and do their best to be the shining example of tolerance, love, charity (not of the governmental kind, mind you), and hope. Some try and succeed in that endeavor, while many unfortunately come across as the worst kind of hypocrites, mostly because they come from a place of judgment while simultaneously claiming that only God can judge.

Although I am not a Christian, I can recognize how difficult it would be to be a Christian and actually live by Christ's example, while suffering the slings and arrows and turning the other cheek. But like it or not, that was a pretty big message of Christ's, and, if you'll forgive the pun, it is your cross to bear. And until more Christians are able to do that, then the concept of "love the sinner hate the sin" will continue to look like hypocrisy.
 
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Do you have any idea how stupid you are? Do parents stop loving their children because they do things wrong? Does the fat that parents still love their kids even if they lie, cheat, and steal cause a moral dilemma? Do you even know how to think?

I know of some Christians who would kick their kids out of the family home because they were homosexual. Those same 'Christians' claimed to love their children. Funny way of showing it.

Funny, I don't recall saying everyone is perfect, I am just pointing out how stupid Aristotle is.

No actually you have just proven through your illogical efforts of how idiotic your philosophy is. You just used the parent model to justify God's discrimination. Noomi brought up a perfect example then you deflect to me. Alas why do I even bother responding to you..
 

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I know of some Christians who would kick their kids out of the family home because they were homosexual. Those same 'Christians' claimed to love their children. Funny way of showing it.

Funny, I don't recall saying everyone is perfect, I am just pointing out how stupid Aristotle is.

No actually you have just proven through your illogical efforts of how idiotic your philosophy is. You just used the parent model to justify God's discrimination. Noomi brought up a perfect example then you deflect to me. Alas why do I even bother responding to you..

Excuse me?

I am talking about human beings, not God, how can you possibly argue that me talking about humans say anything about God? You should stop arguing with imaginary people, it just makes you look stupid.
 
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USMB Poster "Aristotle" is just a huge failure. When he first appeared he showed great promise but blew it on the racialist threads he started.

If I want to read race bating or religion hating threads I'll just look for rDean.

I am not here to appease you nor care about your opinion. What I find ironic is you mentioning "race baiting" when there is no mention.
 
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I firmly believe this to be a moral problem because on issues of homosexuality the idea of love the sinner, hate the sin appears to be inherently contradictory. For instance, if one has homosexual tendencies and those tendencies actualize in concrete behavior and are unforced, then the Christian notion would imply that both the sin and sinner are actually hated. Since homosexuality is rejected in Christianity it is safe to say that many Christians who hate the lifestyle would in fact hate the person within the lifestyle. Ypu cannot separate lifestyle from the person just as you cannot separate hip-hop from one who is immersed in the culture of Hip-Hop.

I find this piece of Christian philosophy problematic.

The post is psychobbble. It's not "safe to say that many Christians who hate the lifestyle would hate the person". The anti-Christian left spends way too much time dwelling on the concepts of hatred.


Then tell us oh wise one, what other definition do we define hatred?
 

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I firmly believe this to be a moral problem because on issues of homosexuality the idea of love the sinner, hate the sin appears to be inherently contradictory. For instance, if one has homosexual tendencies and those tendencies actualize in concrete behavior and are unforced, then the Christian notion would imply that both the sin and sinner are actually hated. Since homosexuality is rejected in Christianity it is safe to say that many Christians who hate the lifestyle would in fact hate the person within the lifestyle. Ypu cannot separate lifestyle from the person just as you cannot separate hip-hop from one who is immersed in the culture of Hip-Hop.

I find this piece of Christian philosophy problematic.

Do you have any idea how stupid you are? Do parents stop loving their children because they do things wrong? Does the fat that parents still love their kids even if they lie, cheat, and steal cause a moral dilemma? Do you even know how to think?

Parents often stop loving their children because they do things wrong. The notion that they "love all their children the same" is just PC bullshit, said because people think that's what they're supposed to say. If parents didn't reject their children, why do so many gays from all over America end up in SF and NYC?
 

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I firmly believe this to be a moral problem because on issues of homosexuality the idea of love the sinner, hate the sin appears to be inherently contradictory. For instance, if one has homosexual tendencies and those tendencies actualize in concrete behavior and are unforced, then the Christian notion would imply that both the sin and sinner are actually hated. Since homosexuality is rejected in Christianity it is safe to say that many Christians who hate the lifestyle would in fact hate the person within the lifestyle. Ypu cannot separate lifestyle from the person just as you cannot separate hip-hop from one who is immersed in the culture of Hip-Hop.

I find this piece of Christian philosophy problematic.

Do you have any idea how stupid you are? Do parents stop loving their children because they do things wrong? Does the fat that parents still love their kids even if they lie, cheat, and steal cause a moral dilemma? Do you even know how to think?

Parents often stop loving their children because they do things wrong. The notion that they "love all their children the same" is just PC bullshit, said because people think that's what they're supposed to say. If parents didn't reject their children, why do so many gays from all over America end up in SF and NYC?

Explain why Cheney doesn't hate his lesbian daughter.

Either that, or admit you are full of shit.
 

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Do you have any idea how stupid you are? Do parents stop loving their children because they do things wrong? Does the fat that parents still love their kids even if they lie, cheat, and steal cause a moral dilemma? Do you even know how to think?

Parents often stop loving their children because they do things wrong. The notion that they "love all their children the same" is just PC bullshit, said because people think that's what they're supposed to say. If parents didn't reject their children, why do so many gays from all over America end up in SF and NYC?

Explain why Cheney doesn't hate his lesbian daughter.

Either that, or admit you are full of shit.

Where did I say all? I said "often", Captain Shit.
 

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Parents often stop loving their children because they do things wrong. The notion that they "love all their children the same" is just PC bullshit, said because people think that's what they're supposed to say. If parents didn't reject their children, why do so many gays from all over America end up in SF and NYC?

Explain why Cheney doesn't hate his lesbian daughter.

Either that, or admit you are full of shit.

Where did I say all? I said "often", Captain Shit.

Full of shit, got it.
 

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