'Moderate' John Kasich Just Defunded Planned Parenthood In Ohio

[Hutch Starskey]

Government money is not used for abortions.

If we give money to an oil drilling company and they say the money doesn't go to the drilling, would you believe that bullshit?

Except the gov't doesn't just " give" money to PP.

uhhuh

what else does it do?

Got nothing huh?

I asked the question. If that's your reply,,,,, well that's called projection

Your question wasn't clear.
Who is the it you refer to?

 

[Kondor3]

With the advent of ACA (ObamaCare), women can get all the services they need, at a regular medical clinic or hospital or doctor's office, that they formerly received at these chop-shops...

And a great deal more...

Now that everybody has Obumblecare, it may be reasonably argued that Planned Parenthood has outlived its usefulness, and that such care may be shifted to mainstream medical providers...

One of the delicious ironies of having ACA shoved down our throats...

Karma's a bitch, ain't it, Libs?

millions of Americans aren't covered by Obamacare yet. Most of them can't afford it, the exact same women who utilize PP. You are taking needed healthcare from women. Glad you're so proud of yourself.

But the Magic Negro has told us that those who cannot afford it can obtain subsidies in order to pay for their healthcare.

Did your Dark Messiah lie?

 

[the_human_being]

 

[the_human_being]

 

[Two Thumbs]

If we give money to an oil drilling company and they say the money doesn't go to the drilling, would you believe that bullshit?

Except the gov't doesn't just " give" money to PP.

uhhuh

what else does it do?

Got nothing huh?

I asked the question. If that's your reply,,,,, well that's called projection

Your question wasn't clear.
Who is the it you refer to?

you said; Except the gov't doesn't just " give" money to PP.
I asked; what else does it do?


what else does the gov give PP?

 

[talksalot]

In other words we both know why the use Planned Parenthood instead of using conventional medical providers.

Really? Please explain it to us - with "credible" proof.

You have lost all your credibility on this issue.

Gee, where's your "credible" proof?

If Planned Parenthood would use separate facilities for their abortion industry, I would have no problem with them receiving tax payer funding for their other services. Shared facilities means tax dollars are subsidizing abortions.

Disentangling the Data on Planned Parenthood Affiliates’ Abortion Services and Receipt of Taxpayer Funding

Under Title X grants, abortion providers are able to prorate expenses such as staff and waiting rooms, covering a portion of the fixed costs of the abortion-related staff and facilities. According to the Guttmacher Institute,

Because Title X grants offer up-front funding to providers (rather than payment after-the-fact, as with Medicaid or private insurance), the program provides essential infrastructure support that allows health centers providing family planning services to keep their doors open for clients.

In addition, federal regulations require that "each project supported under [Title X] must…[n]ot provide abortion as a method of family planning,” but also “must”:

(i) Offer pregnant women the opportunity to be provided information and counseling regarding each of the following options: (A) Prenatal care and delivery;(B) Infant care, foster care, or adoption; and (C) Pregnancy termination.

Planned Parenthood affiliates therefore must offer every pregnant woman they serve under a Title X grant the opportunity to receive information about abortion. If any pregnant woman requests an abortion referral, the affiliate must provide such a referral, thereby using tax dollars to help grow or sustain the abortion industry.

Redirect Funding for Planned Parenthood to Other Health Care Centers
To ensure that taxpayers are not forced to subsidize America’s number one abortion provider, Congress should make Planned Parenthood affiliates ineligible to receive either Medicaid reimbursements or Title X grants if they continue to perform abortions. Taxpayer money from these programs should instead be redirected to the more than 9,000 federally qualified health center sites throughout the country that provide comprehensive primary health care for those in need without entanglement in abortion.

PP qualifies for title X funding just as any other family planning entity. What separates them from others is their size. Title X only makes up 10% of their overall funding. To suggest that in any way is used to support abortion services that only accounts for 3% of their total services is ridiculous.Title X cannot be used to fund abortion under the law.
BTW the taxpayers in no way subsidize PP.
Learn what a subsidy is. Also PP is a federally qualified health provider.

The article explains it.... subsidize: to aid or promote (as a private enterprise) with public money. Where does the government get the money they use to subsidize? It's either taxpayers.....or a money tree. PP gets about $200 million from abortions; over $500 million from the government and nearly $400 million from private donations and according to PP's published figures it's actually 11% of their clients that get abortions. PP performs surgical and/or medical abortions at only 356 facilities around the country but 1 out of every 3 humans that lose their life to abortion will be in a PP facility....that's around 324,000 deaths each year.

PP is an abortion provider and that is the opposite of providing "health."

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Well good, end corporate welfare.

Isn't that what leftist want?

oh wait, this is magically different

Give this one a gold star... EXACTLY.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Really? Please explain it to us - with "credible" proof.

You have lost all your credibility on this issue.

Gee, where's your "credible" proof?

If Planned Parenthood would use separate facilities for their abortion industry, I would have no problem with them receiving tax payer funding for their other services. Shared facilities means tax dollars are subsidizing abortions.

Disentangling the Data on Planned Parenthood Affiliates’ Abortion Services and Receipt of Taxpayer Funding

Under Title X grants, abortion providers are able to prorate expenses such as staff and waiting rooms, covering a portion of the fixed costs of the abortion-related staff and facilities. According to the Guttmacher Institute,

Because Title X grants offer up-front funding to providers (rather than payment after-the-fact, as with Medicaid or private insurance), the program provides essential infrastructure support that allows health centers providing family planning services to keep their doors open for clients.

In addition, federal regulations require that "each project supported under [Title X] must…[n]ot provide abortion as a method of family planning,” but also “must”:

(i) Offer pregnant women the opportunity to be provided information and counseling regarding each of the following options: (A) Prenatal care and delivery;(B) Infant care, foster care, or adoption; and (C) Pregnancy termination.

Planned Parenthood affiliates therefore must offer every pregnant woman they serve under a Title X grant the opportunity to receive information about abortion. If any pregnant woman requests an abortion referral, the affiliate must provide such a referral, thereby using tax dollars to help grow or sustain the abortion industry.

Redirect Funding for Planned Parenthood to Other Health Care Centers
To ensure that taxpayers are not forced to subsidize America’s number one abortion provider, Congress should make Planned Parenthood affiliates ineligible to receive either Medicaid reimbursements or Title X grants if they continue to perform abortions. Taxpayer money from these programs should instead be redirected to the more than 9,000 federally qualified health center sites throughout the country that provide comprehensive primary health care for those in need without entanglement in abortion.

PP qualifies for title X funding just as any other family planning entity. What separates them from others is their size. Title X only makes up 10% of their overall funding. To suggest that in any way is used to support abortion services that only accounts for 3% of their total services is ridiculous.Title X cannot be used to fund abortion under the law.
BTW the taxpayers in no way subsidize PP.
Learn what a subsidy is. Also PP is a federally qualified health provider.

The article explains it.... subsidize: to aid or promote (as a private enterprise) with public money. Where does the government get the money they use to subsidize? It's either taxpayers.....or a money tree. PP gets about $200 million from abortions; over $500 million from the government and nearly $400 million from private donations and according to PP's published figures it's actually 11% of their clients that get abortions. PP performs surgical and/or medical abortions at only 356 facilities around the country but 1 out of every 3 humans that lose their life to abortion will be in a PP facility....that's around 324,000 deaths each year.

PP is an abortion provider and that is the opposite of providing "health."

You couldn't misrepresent more if you tried.
97% of PP services are indeed healthcare services. They are a Medicaid provider in the exact same way as any other Medicaid provider is. If they weren't, they wouldn't qualify for Medicaid reimbursement. Title X is a program to fill a gap in care. The program is the subsidy and the recipients of the care the subsidized. PP or any other Title X provider are not subsidized by the grants but rather the program provider. If you read the article you would see that the cuts Kasich authorized in no way affect PP 's abortion services. You know why? Because they aren't funded with public money.

 

[Kondor3]

You have lost all your credibility on this issue.

Gee, where's your "credible" proof?

If Planned Parenthood would use separate facilities for their abortion industry, I would have no problem with them receiving tax payer funding for their other services. Shared facilities means tax dollars are subsidizing abortions.

Disentangling the Data on Planned Parenthood Affiliates’ Abortion Services and Receipt of Taxpayer Funding

Under Title X grants, abortion providers are able to prorate expenses such as staff and waiting rooms, covering a portion of the fixed costs of the abortion-related staff and facilities. According to the Guttmacher Institute,

Because Title X grants offer up-front funding to providers (rather than payment after-the-fact, as with Medicaid or private insurance), the program provides essential infrastructure support that allows health centers providing family planning services to keep their doors open for clients.

In addition, federal regulations require that "each project supported under [Title X] must…[n]ot provide abortion as a method of family planning,” but also “must”:

(i) Offer pregnant women the opportunity to be provided information and counseling regarding each of the following options: (A) Prenatal care and delivery;(B) Infant care, foster care, or adoption; and (C) Pregnancy termination.

Planned Parenthood affiliates therefore must offer every pregnant woman they serve under a Title X grant the opportunity to receive information about abortion. If any pregnant woman requests an abortion referral, the affiliate must provide such a referral, thereby using tax dollars to help grow or sustain the abortion industry.

Redirect Funding for Planned Parenthood to Other Health Care Centers
To ensure that taxpayers are not forced to subsidize America’s number one abortion provider, Congress should make Planned Parenthood affiliates ineligible to receive either Medicaid reimbursements or Title X grants if they continue to perform abortions. Taxpayer money from these programs should instead be redirected to the more than 9,000 federally qualified health center sites throughout the country that provide comprehensive primary health care for those in need without entanglement in abortion.

PP qualifies for title X funding just as any other family planning entity. What separates them from others is their size. Title X only makes up 10% of their overall funding. To suggest that in any way is used to support abortion services that only accounts for 3% of their total services is ridiculous.Title X cannot be used to fund abortion under the law.
BTW the taxpayers in no way subsidize PP.
Learn what a subsidy is. Also PP is a federally qualified health provider.

The article explains it.... subsidize: to aid or promote (as a private enterprise) with public money. Where does the government get the money they use to subsidize? It's either taxpayers.....or a money tree. PP gets about $200 million from abortions; over $500 million from the government and nearly $400 million from private donations and according to PP's published figures it's actually 11% of their clients that get abortions. PP performs surgical and/or medical abortions at only 356 facilities around the country but 1 out of every 3 humans that lose their life to abortion will be in a PP facility....that's around 324,000 deaths each year.

PP is an abortion provider and that is the opposite of providing "health."

You couldn't misrepresent more if you tried.
97% of PP services are indeed healthcare services. They are a Medicaid provider in the exact same way as any other Medicaid provider is. If they weren't, they wouldn't qualify for Medicaid reimbursement. Title X is a program to fill a gap in care. The program is the subsidy and the recipients of the care the subsidized. PP or any other Title X provider are not subsidized by the grants but rather the program provider. If you read the article you would see that the cuts Kasich authorized in no way affect PP 's abortion services. You know why? Because they aren't funded with public money.

With the advent of ObamaCare, the need for Planned Parenthood has been greatly diminished.

Vast numbers of po' folk and other distressed types can now obtain all those services under the aegis of traditional and more respectable providers.

Time to pull the plug on this particularly vile and bestial flavor of 'chop-shop'.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Gee, where's your "credible" proof?

If Planned Parenthood would use separate facilities for their abortion industry, I would have no problem with them receiving tax payer funding for their other services. Shared facilities means tax dollars are subsidizing abortions.

Disentangling the Data on Planned Parenthood Affiliates’ Abortion Services and Receipt of Taxpayer Funding

Under Title X grants, abortion providers are able to prorate expenses such as staff and waiting rooms, covering a portion of the fixed costs of the abortion-related staff and facilities. According to the Guttmacher Institute,

Because Title X grants offer up-front funding to providers (rather than payment after-the-fact, as with Medicaid or private insurance), the program provides essential infrastructure support that allows health centers providing family planning services to keep their doors open for clients.

In addition, federal regulations require that "each project supported under [Title X] must…[n]ot provide abortion as a method of family planning,” but also “must”:

(i) Offer pregnant women the opportunity to be provided information and counseling regarding each of the following options: (A) Prenatal care and delivery;(B) Infant care, foster care, or adoption; and (C) Pregnancy termination.

Planned Parenthood affiliates therefore must offer every pregnant woman they serve under a Title X grant the opportunity to receive information about abortion. If any pregnant woman requests an abortion referral, the affiliate must provide such a referral, thereby using tax dollars to help grow or sustain the abortion industry.

Redirect Funding for Planned Parenthood to Other Health Care Centers
To ensure that taxpayers are not forced to subsidize America’s number one abortion provider, Congress should make Planned Parenthood affiliates ineligible to receive either Medicaid reimbursements or Title X grants if they continue to perform abortions. Taxpayer money from these programs should instead be redirected to the more than 9,000 federally qualified health center sites throughout the country that provide comprehensive primary health care for those in need without entanglement in abortion.

PP qualifies for title X funding just as any other family planning entity. What separates them from others is their size. Title X only makes up 10% of their overall funding. To suggest that in any way is used to support abortion services that only accounts for 3% of their total services is ridiculous.Title X cannot be used to fund abortion under the law.
BTW the taxpayers in no way subsidize PP.
Learn what a subsidy is. Also PP is a federally qualified health provider.

The article explains it.... subsidize: to aid or promote (as a private enterprise) with public money. Where does the government get the money they use to subsidize? It's either taxpayers.....or a money tree. PP gets about $200 million from abortions; over $500 million from the government and nearly $400 million from private donations and according to PP's published figures it's actually 11% of their clients that get abortions. PP performs surgical and/or medical abortions at only 356 facilities around the country but 1 out of every 3 humans that lose their life to abortion will be in a PP facility....that's around 324,000 deaths each year.

PP is an abortion provider and that is the opposite of providing "health."

You couldn't misrepresent more if you tried.
97% of PP services are indeed healthcare services. They are a Medicaid provider in the exact same way as any other Medicaid provider is. If they weren't, they wouldn't qualify for Medicaid reimbursement. Title X is a program to fill a gap in care. The program is the subsidy and the recipients of the care the subsidized. PP or any other Title X provider are not subsidized by the grants but rather the program provider. If you read the article you would see that the cuts Kasich authorized in no way affect PP 's abortion services. You know why? Because they aren't funded with public money.

With the advent of ObamaCare, the need for Planned Parenthood has been greatly diminished.

Vast numbers of po' folk and other distressed types can now obtain all those services under the aegis of traditional and more respectable providers.

Time to pull the plug on this particularly vile and bestial flavor of 'chop-shop'.

That argument is made without thought and is straight up retarded. PP is first and foremost a healthcare provider just like any other. They accept most major plans as well as Medicaid. Obviously if one qualifies for Medicaid,then by default they can't afford their own plan. Medicaid expansion is also part of the ACA as well. So your argument is just dumb.

 

[paulitician]

The more i learn about Kasich, the more i like him. He does have an impressive resume. He's been an excellent Governor. He really has turned things around in Ohio. He probably has the best resume being presented for the Presidency. I respect the dude.

 

[Lakhota]

Since Kasich defunded Planned Parenthood - will Trump win Ohio?

 

[Kondor3]

...That argument is made without thought and is straight up retarded...

Incorrect. Its only flaw is that it knocks the bottom out from under one of your LibTard flagships.

...PP is first and foremost a healthcare provider just like any other...

Only as smokescreen for their original and primary purpose; and to keep the lights on.

...They accept most major plans as well as Medicaid...

The doc-in-a-box down the road accepts Medicaid... doesn't mean that it's a good idea to go there.

...Obviously if one qualifies for Medicaid,then by default they can't afford their own plan...

Irrelevant. Such patients merely need go to any mainstream provider that accepts Medicaid. Your pet baby sausage-grinder is now superfluous.

...Medicaid expansion is also part of the ACA as well...

Not for long.

...So your argument is just dumb.

As I said, such patients now need merely go to a mainstream medical services provider that accepts Medicaid; not a baby-killer specialty chop-shop and organ bazaar.

And to think that it was the LibTard ACA that rendered them irrelevant.

Deliciously ironic.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

...That argument is made without thought and is straight up retarded...

Incorrect. Its only flaw is that it knocks the bottom out from under one of your LibTard flagships.

...PP is first and foremost a healthcare provider just like any other...

Only as smokescreen for their original and primary purpose; and to keep the lights on.

...They accept most major plans as well as Medicaid...

The doc-in-a-box down the road accepts Medicaid... doesn't mean that it's a good idea to go there.

...Obviously if one qualifies for Medicaid,then by default they can't afford their own plan...

Irrelevant. Such patients merely need go to any mainstream provider that accepts Medicaid. Your pet baby sausage-grinder is now superfluous.

...Medicaid expansion is also part of the ACA as well...

Not for long.

...So your argument is just dumb.

As I said, such patients now need merely go to a mainstream medical services provider that accepts Medicaid; not a baby-killer specialty chop-shop and organ bazaar.

And to think that it was the LibTard ACA that rendered them irrelevant.

Deliciously ironic.

Like I said, your argument is just dumb. You offered nothing of substance only your opinion.

 

[Kondor3]

...Like I said, your argument is just dumb. You offered nothing of substance only your opinion.

Stating that those folk can now go to any service provider accepting Medicaid, rather than focused clinics like PP, is, itself, substantive, and nothing to do with opinion.

Your inability or unwillingness to counter that salient point is accepted as a concession in this context.

Thanks for the Cheap Win.

Have a nice day.

 

[Lakhota]

After careful consideration, I have concluded that Kasich is an asshole.