Mod. Snippet -- The "fake" Begin Quote

I'm already blackballed from the fraternity pretty much. But I DID teach Sunday School while I was attending college. And I know what we told little Jewish kids about Judaism and race.. Now --- could be different in the Orthodox schools -- but it's highly unlikely that Begin as a head of state would have gone out on such small limb in front of the world and NO ONE heard the limb crack.

Far as I know --- the only folks THAT fixated on race are nazis and leftist Democrats.. :badgrin:

"Israel’s Education Ministry has disqualified a novel that describes a love story between an Israeli woman and a Palestinian man from use by high schools around the country.

“intimate relations between Jews and non-Jews threatens the separate identity.”

Israel bans novel on Arab-Jewish romance from schools for 'threatening Jewish identity' - Israel News

You're in the wrong thread I think Monte.. :uhoh3: You need a map???

You mentioned that a fixation on race is only a Nazi or a "leftist Democrat" phenomena, I just provided a fact that, it appears Israelis have a similar fixation on "separate identity". Unless you posted on the wrong thread, I am not on the wrong thread.

Well you know damn well that your post info pertains exactly to the thread from which I ripped this separate argument. And the post and THAT THREAD -- have nothing to do race.. Master or otherwise.

I take it that you TRIED to find any significant validation of that "Begin quote" and failed then.. Right? But yet --- you insist it's the Jew's fault that no trace of it exists -- or insist that Begin "COULD" have said it. THAT'S the problem I'm trying to understand in this thread. Why you folks who SAY they are not Jew haters would do such a thing..

Why do you stick your neck out to even TRY to defend something as silly as that quote? Or start wailing about Hasbara (along with the Jewish deceit comments from your comrade)? There's plenty to argue about. Resolve the silly stuff and move on..

No, I did not look into the quote at all. I have found that the Hasbara makes it impossible to confirm anything that portrays Israel in a negative fashion. So I don't try to confirm things like quotes that may have been uttered in Hebrew. Just like the Mossad motto, in which "deceit" was, in fact what it said. But beyond WIKI, which confirmed the veracity of the what I stated, you had to take the Hebrew from the Mossad badge and put it through Google translate to get the word deceit. All the Hasbara nonsense claimed all sorts of other words. The original Mossad quote does include "deceit". So get off your high horse.

its a good representation of your lack of concern for the accuracy of your statements. You are more concerned in maintaining your illusion of reality.

Oh we all have our own version of the truth we believe is the framework of past and present, the world view, but you seem to have exactly no concern for truthfulness in the consideration of your world view.

You're happy to consider something Begin "might" have said. Even though there is absolutely not a shred of evidence to support it. Rather than consider what he actually said as rooted in actual fact.

The delusion ( best descriptive I could think of given your penchant for demonstrably false information ) of your reality apparently depends on lies and disinformation. A condition typical of cognitive dissonance
 
C) Jews don't consider themselves a separate race and don't teach their kids that Jews are a separate race.

Ouch.... You aren't going to be very popular amongst the zionuts with comments like that ;-)

I'm already blackballed from the fraternity pretty much. But I DID teach Sunday School while I was attending college. And I know what we told little Jewish kids about Judaism and race.. Now --- could be different in the Orthodox schools -- but it's highly unlikely that Begin as a head of state would have gone out on such small limb in front of the world and NO ONE heard the limb crack.

Far as I know --- the only folks THAT fixated on race are nazis and leftist Democrats.. :badgrin:

"Israel’s Education Ministry has disqualified a novel that describes a love story between an Israeli woman and a Palestinian man from use by high schools around the country.

“intimate relations between Jews and non-Jews threatens the separate identity.”

Israel bans novel on Arab-Jewish romance from schools for 'threatening Jewish identity' - Israel News

You're in the wrong thread I think Monte.. :uhoh3: You need a map???

You mentioned that a fixation on race is only a Nazi or a "leftist Democrat" phenomena, I just provided a fact that, it appears Israelis have a similar fixation on "separate identity". Unless you posted on the wrong thread, I am not on the wrong thread.
Do you any proof that the quote is accurate in any way, shape or form? If so then provide us with a legit link indicating the date and location of otherwise quote.

Otherwise, we are not interested in the ratings of a mentally ill, antisemitic troll.
 
Ouch.... You aren't going to be very popular amongst the zionuts with comments like that ;-)

I'm already blackballed from the fraternity pretty much. But I DID teach Sunday School while I was attending college. And I know what we told little Jewish kids about Judaism and race.. Now --- could be different in the Orthodox schools -- but it's highly unlikely that Begin as a head of state would have gone out on such small limb in front of the world and NO ONE heard the limb crack.

Far as I know --- the only folks THAT fixated on race are nazis and leftist Democrats.. :badgrin:

"Israel’s Education Ministry has disqualified a novel that describes a love story between an Israeli woman and a Palestinian man from use by high schools around the country.

“intimate relations between Jews and non-Jews threatens the separate identity.”

Israel bans novel on Arab-Jewish romance from schools for 'threatening Jewish identity' - Israel News

You're in the wrong thread I think Monte.. :uhoh3: You need a map???

You mentioned that a fixation on race is only a Nazi or a "leftist Democrat" phenomena, I just provided a fact that, it appears Israelis have a similar fixation on "separate identity". Unless you posted on the wrong thread, I am not on the wrong thread.
Do you any proof that the quote is accurate in any way, shape or form? If so then provide us with a legit link indicating the date and location of otherwise quote.

Otherwise, we are not interested in the ratings of a mentally ill, antisemitic troll.

There are as many confirmations as denials floating around the internet regarding embarrassing Zionist quotes. With respect to the Begin quote, I am more apt to believe it is true than not, given Begin's murderous, terrorist background. There are a number of references to it in works of various historians/journalists such as this one:

THE TRAGEDY OF PALESTINE AND ITS CHILDREN
 
So to conclude, you don't have proof of date and location of the quote?

I thought so...

:9:
 
You are obviously obfuscating. The Quote is a fake. Its been debunked so many times its ridiculous. But you're desperate to believe it because it believing it lends support to your racist views

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Fake Zionist Quotes & Israeli Quotes

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Begin and the Master Race Fake Zionist Quote
This quote was fabricated. Amnon Kapeliouk's New Statesman article does not claim that Menachem Begin ever said it, but has a different fabrication instead:

"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves. Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parliament] quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts,"New Statesman, June 25, 1982.

End Quote

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Correcting A Misquotation Reputedly By Menachem Begin

Quote

Further research at this site showed that the quote was attributed to "Amnon Kapeliouk's article "Begin and the Beasts" (New Statesman, June 25, 1982) which was infamous for having misrepresented some remarks Menachem Begin said in a speech to the Knesset, and there are legitimate sources all over the net that make reference to that incident.
However, the misrepresented quote is not the one cited ("Our race is the Master Race", etc.), but another one entirely (see below). Clearly, someone invented the "Master Race" quote and then tacked on Amnon Kapeliouk as the source, to give it credibility. However, even the REAL (and far less offensive) quote has now been proven to have been misrepresented by Kapeliouk.
The REAL story involving Kapeliouk's article is provided by a media-watch group called CAMERA (Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America), which regularly debunks bogus news reports and misquotes.

End Quote

also see
Exposing False Zionist Quotes | ConCen

There's really no doubt the quote is a fake. What it really represents is the depths of depravity the racists will go to slander the victims of their hatred
 
I'm already blackballed from the fraternity pretty much. But I DID teach Sunday School while I was attending college. And I know what we told little Jewish kids about Judaism and race.. Now --- could be different in the Orthodox schools -- but it's highly unlikely that Begin as a head of state would have gone out on such small limb in front of the world and NO ONE heard the limb crack.

Far as I know --- the only folks THAT fixated on race are nazis and leftist Democrats.. :badgrin:

"Israel’s Education Ministry has disqualified a novel that describes a love story between an Israeli woman and a Palestinian man from use by high schools around the country.

“intimate relations between Jews and non-Jews threatens the separate identity.”

Israel bans novel on Arab-Jewish romance from schools for 'threatening Jewish identity' - Israel News

You're in the wrong thread I think Monte.. :uhoh3: You need a map???

You mentioned that a fixation on race is only a Nazi or a "leftist Democrat" phenomena, I just provided a fact that, it appears Israelis have a similar fixation on "separate identity". Unless you posted on the wrong thread, I am not on the wrong thread.
Do you any proof that the quote is accurate in any way, shape or form? If so then provide us with a legit link indicating the date and location of otherwise quote.

Otherwise, we are not interested in the ratings of a mentally ill, antisemitic troll.

There are as many confirmations as denials floating around the internet regarding embarrassing Zionist quotes. With respect to the Begin quote, I am more apt to believe it is true than not, given Begin's murderous, terrorist background. There are a number of references to it in works of various historians/journalists such as this one:

THE TRAGEDY OF PALESTINE AND ITS CHILDREN

It's very telling that you are "apt to believe" stuff that never existed and for which you don't have a shred of evidence.. It's called prejudice and bias. With a side order of hate.

Did you REALLY imply that the Mossad set the Hotel fire in Dubai on NewYears Eve? That's even a more spectacular denial of reality. You ought to try making arguments for Palestine based on REALITY and truths sometimes. You might become slightly useful to the cause.
 
Agreed, I'm all for a reasonable discussion, but when hatred and bigotry clouds either side. It makes it impossible for any middle ground to be reached.
 
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Other than not providing any evidence whatsoever that the Begin quote has any validity, he is now imparting us with this amazing revelation, (are you ready for this)....that Mossad is THE ONLY intelligence agency that acquires its information "by way of deception". All the other agencies like CIA, well, their spies are running around telling everyone that who they are, just to be on the up and up! :laugh2:
 
The secular, democratic non Apartheid state of Israel:

Israeli Ministry of Education declares:

“intimate relations between Jews and non-Jews threatens the separate identity.”


Israel bans novel on Arab-Jewish romance from schools for 'threatening Jewish identity' - Israel News

Of course there's nothing racist about anything here:

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Also read up on a woman named Barbara Lerner Spectre about what that odious creature has to say about 'um forcing Multiculturalism on Europa, she totally is a piece of work. She's squatting in Sweden, not that she's Swedish or European mind you, she just thinks she has some sort of right to demand the destruction of the ethnic European peoples.
Fake quote.

Prove it's a fake quote.
Prove it is, when and where did he say it? Slapping words on a meme that you grabbed from a neo Nazi site doesn't make the words true. :cuckoo:

You really are a fool....and as you're completely unable to provide proof of it being a "fake" quote you must naturally resort to name calling.

Water off ducks back to me.








How does one "prove" a negative? In science, and as in all things like this, YOU are the poster making the claim, thus it is YOU who must confirm its authenticity. Good luck with that. It is a well known fake quote promulgated by various hate sites that morons like you believe.

Easy to understand, those of you with low IQ's will believe almost anything...
 
Of course there's nothing racist about anything here:

View attachment 59310

Also read up on a woman named Barbara Lerner Spectre about what that odious creature has to say about 'um forcing Multiculturalism on Europa, she totally is a piece of work. She's squatting in Sweden, not that she's Swedish or European mind you, she just thinks she has some sort of right to demand the destruction of the ethnic European peoples.
Fake quote.

Prove it's a fake quote.
Prove it is, when and where did he say it? Slapping words on a meme that you grabbed from a neo Nazi site doesn't make the words true. :cuckoo:

You really are a fool....and as you're completely unable to provide proof of it being a "fake" quote you must naturally resort to name calling.

Water off ducks back to me.








How does one "prove" a negative? In science, and as in all things like this, YOU are the poster making the claim, thus it is YOU who must confirm its authenticity. Good luck with that. It is a well known fake quote promulgated by various hate sites that morons like you believe.

Easy to understand, those of you with low IQ's will believe almost anything...

What is easy to understand is that those of you with low IQs blindly believe Hasbara propaganda.
 
Fake quote.

Prove it's a fake quote.
Prove it is, when and where did he say it? Slapping words on a meme that you grabbed from a neo Nazi site doesn't make the words true. :cuckoo:

You really are a fool....and as you're completely unable to provide proof of it being a "fake" quote you must naturally resort to name calling.

Water off ducks back to me.








How does one "prove" a negative? In science, and as in all things like this, YOU are the poster making the claim, thus it is YOU who must confirm its authenticity. Good luck with that. It is a well known fake quote promulgated by various hate sites that morons like you believe.

Easy to understand, those of you with low IQ's will believe almost anything...

What is easy to understand is that those of you with low IQs blindly believe Hasbara propaganda.













Yes, you do. All of you have amazingly low IQ's. What's funny is I can say "montelatici loves Jewish men". I can then post that in a meme on the internet and voila, it is suddenly a fact that mr. montelatici could never prove was false. See how that works?
 
Prove it's a fake quote.
Prove it is, when and where did he say it? Slapping words on a meme that you grabbed from a neo Nazi site doesn't make the words true. :cuckoo:

You really are a fool....and as you're completely unable to provide proof of it being a "fake" quote you must naturally resort to name calling.

Water off ducks back to me.








How does one "prove" a negative? In science, and as in all things like this, YOU are the poster making the claim, thus it is YOU who must confirm its authenticity. Good luck with that. It is a well known fake quote promulgated by various hate sites that morons like you believe.

Easy to understand, those of you with low IQ's will believe almost anything...

What is easy to understand is that those of you with low IQs blindly believe Hasbara propaganda.













Yes, you do. All of you have amazingly low IQ's. What's funny is I can say "montelatici loves Jewish men". I can then post that in a meme on the internet and voila, it is suddenly a fact that mr. montelatici could never prove was false. See how that works?

The sign of a low IQ is the inability to recognize propaganda. The same forces that have flooded the internet with denials of the Begin quote have flooded the internet with denials of a siege of Gaza. And, there are many with low IQs that believe the Hasbara propaganda whatever the media it uses, no matter how outrageous.

Israel: There is No Gaza 'Siege'


Israel: There is No Gaza 'Siege'
 
Prove it is, when and where did he say it? Slapping words on a meme that you grabbed from a neo Nazi site doesn't make the words true. :cuckoo:

You really are a fool....and as you're completely unable to provide proof of it being a "fake" quote you must naturally resort to name calling.

Water off ducks back to me.








How does one "prove" a negative? In science, and as in all things like this, YOU are the poster making the claim, thus it is YOU who must confirm its authenticity. Good luck with that. It is a well known fake quote promulgated by various hate sites that morons like you believe.

Easy to understand, those of you with low IQ's will believe almost anything...

What is easy to understand is that those of you with low IQs blindly believe Hasbara propaganda.













Yes, you do. All of you have amazingly low IQ's. What's funny is I can say "montelatici loves Jewish men". I can then post that in a meme on the internet and voila, it is suddenly a fact that mr. montelatici could never prove was false. See how that works?

The sign of a low IQ is the inability to recognize propaganda. The same forces that have flooded the internet with denials of the Begin quote have flooded the internet with denials of a siege of Gaza. And, there are many with low IQs that believe the Hasbara propaganda whatever the media it uses, no matter how outrageous.

Israel: There is No Gaza 'Siege'


Israel: There is No Gaza 'Siege'

It's true. There is No Gaza 'Siege'<note the bold text.

There is just the requirement to keep the Islamic terrorist enclave on a short leash.

All your pounding away at your infidel keyboard will not change that.

LOL.
 
Prove it is, when and where did he say it? Slapping words on a meme that you grabbed from a neo Nazi site doesn't make the words true. :cuckoo:

You really are a fool....and as you're completely unable to provide proof of it being a "fake" quote you must naturally resort to name calling.

Water off ducks back to me.








How does one "prove" a negative? In science, and as in all things like this, YOU are the poster making the claim, thus it is YOU who must confirm its authenticity. Good luck with that. It is a well known fake quote promulgated by various hate sites that morons like you believe.

Easy to understand, those of you with low IQ's will believe almost anything...

What is easy to understand is that those of you with low IQs blindly believe Hasbara propaganda.













Yes, you do. All of you have amazingly low IQ's. What's funny is I can say "montelatici loves Jewish men". I can then post that in a meme on the internet and voila, it is suddenly a fact that mr. montelatici could never prove was false. See how that works?

The sign of a low IQ is the inability to recognize propaganda. The same forces that have flooded the internet with denials of the Begin quote have flooded the internet with denials of a siege of Gaza. And, there are many with low IQs that believe the Hasbara propaganda whatever the media it uses, no matter how outrageous.

Israel: There is No Gaza 'Siege'


Israel: There is No Gaza 'Siege'






I agree. You fall for the propaganda all the time! Thanks for proving my point!
 
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You really are a fool....and as you're completely unable to provide proof of it being a "fake" quote you must naturally resort to name calling.

Water off ducks back to me.








How does one "prove" a negative? In science, and as in all things like this, YOU are the poster making the claim, thus it is YOU who must confirm its authenticity. Good luck with that. It is a well known fake quote promulgated by various hate sites that morons like you believe.

Easy to understand, those of you with low IQ's will believe almost anything...

What is easy to understand is that those of you with low IQs blindly believe Hasbara propaganda.













Yes, you do. All of you have amazingly low IQ's. What's funny is I can say "montelatici loves Jewish men". I can then post that in a meme on the internet and voila, it is suddenly a fact that mr. montelatici could never prove was false. See how that works?

The sign of a low IQ is the inability to recognize propaganda. The same forces that have flooded the internet with denials of the Begin quote have flooded the internet with denials of a siege of Gaza. And, there are many with low IQs that believe the Hasbara propaganda whatever the media it uses, no matter how outrageous.

Israel: There is No Gaza 'Siege'


Israel: There is No Gaza 'Siege'






I agree. You fall for the propaganda all the time! Thanks for proving my point!

Since most of the propaganda is professionally developed and promulgated by the Zionists through Israel government and world Jewry funding, those who fall for the propaganda are overwhelming Zionists like yourself, i.e. the dummies.
 
Lucy Hamilton, et al,

Like many people here, proof is a very difficult commodity. It is hard to prove that something did not happen. And that makes for good propaganda.

Prove it's a fake quote.
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Begin and the Master Race Fake Zionist Quote

This quote was fabricated. Amnon Kapeliouk's New Statesman article does not claim that Menachem Begin ever said it, but has a different fabrication instead:

"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves. Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parliament] quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982.
Also see: Correcting A Misquotation
Reputedly By Menachem Begin

From Carolyn Rose Goyda
rosegojda@aol.com
4-22-10


However, the misrepresented quote is not the one cited ("Our race is the Master Race", etc.), but another one entirely (see below). Clearly, someone invented the "Master Race" quote and then tacked on Amnon Kapeliouk as the source, to give it credibility. However, even the REAL (and far less offensive) quote has now been proven to have been misrepresented by Kapeliouk.


Most Respectfully,
R
 
The quote "beasts walking on two legs" seems more offensive to the Palestinians than the "master race" quote. And, an intrepid person resolves the issue of the "beasts walking on two legs" quote.

 
Your entire view is based on lies and propaganda Monty.

Looks like I'll have to go back and repeat the post where this nonsense about Begans non quote was thoroughly debunked.

Repeat
The Quote is a fake. Its been debunked so many times its ridiculous. But you're desperate to believe it because it believing it lends support to your racist views

See
Fake Zionist Quotes & Israeli Quotes

Quote

Begin and the Master Race Fake Zionist Quote
This quote was fabricated. Amnon Kapeliouk's New Statesman article does not claim that Menachem Begin ever said it, but has a different fabrication instead:

"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves. Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset [Israeli Parliament] quoted by Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts,"New Statesman, June 25, 1982.

End Quote

See
Correcting A Misquotation Reputedly By Menachem Begin

Quote

Further research at this site showed that the quote was attributed to "Amnon Kapeliouk's article "Begin and the Beasts" (New Statesman, June 25, 1982) which was infamous for having misrepresented some remarks Menachem Begin said in a speech to the Knesset, and there are legitimate sources all over the net that make reference to that incident.
However, the misrepresented quote is not the one cited ("Our race is the Master Race", etc.), but another one entirely (see below). Clearly, someone invented the "Master Race" quote and then tacked on Amnon Kapeliouk as the source, to give it credibility. However, even the REAL (and far less offensive) quote has now been proven to have been misrepresented by Kapeliouk.
The REAL story involving Kapeliouk's article is provided by a media-watch group called CAMERA (Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America), which regularly debunks bogus news reports and misquotes.

End Quote

also see
Exposing False Zionist Quotes | ConCen

There's really no doubt the quote is a fake. What it really represents is the depths of depravity the racists will go to slander the victims of their hatred

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