- Apr 5, 2010
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Acceptable by slave owners. Not by the slaves, whose life was STOLEN by men with no morals. Or their children, who were frequently STOLEN away from their parents.Yes. Slavery is just as evil. I fully equate slavery with the holocaust, serial killings, and cultural practices like female genital mutilation. A stolen life is a stolen life. Torture is torture.I'm asking you. Do you not wish to answer?What are the nuances and complexities that justify owning other people and forcing them to work for you without pay?The people who thought it was moral were the ones who supported slavery. Slavery was morally reprehensible to the rest of the nation who tried to end the evil practice to the point the south seceded to preserve slavery.So slavery was moral?Very moral people do not whip, rape, beat, sell, shackle, burn, mutilate, brand, hang, and force other people to work for them. Chattel slaves were property with no legal protections. It was/is evil in every way. There is no moral justification for slavery. None. It's vile. It's horrific. It's PURE EVIL.100+ years ago. That's the key part right there.I think most of us see that honoring people who fought for slavery is fucked up. And we don't need to honor agreements that are fucked up.And they did. Now, 100+ years later we are moving on.There was no compact. Grant lost popular support in the North to continue Reconstruction. And the South began it's propaganda war on the just and heroic "lost cause," which Semmes championed until his death in 1877.Says the guy with nothing but lame ad hominemsI will, thank you...not that I needed your permission to agree with you that people who want to keep these monuments to slave owners in place are immature assholes.i agree. The people that want to keep these statues in place are immature assholes. Well said.I applaud the mayor of Mobile for removing this statue.
He is right, removing it doesn't change history.
Personally I don't see how anyone can think people who waged war against the United States of America causing the deaths of over 600 thousand Americans are good people.
I don't think that any statues of those people should be erected anywhere in our nation.
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Of course things like this are done in the dark, and applauded by gutless hacks such as yourself.
Yeah, much better to do it during the day so you can piss off a bunch of inbred, toothless mouth breathers.
Better yet, let the people do it...
A bunch of immature assholes, nothing more.
Yeah, go with that you dried up old twat.
The "i know you are but what am I" tactic, the primordial ooze of debate tactics.
Why do you have a problem with removing statues of traitors and slave owners?
Because it won't stop there. Because it focuses on only one part of a person's impact on history, and the placement of many of the statues was part of the compact between North and South as part of the healing process to be able to honor those who fought for their side.
But Mobiles mayor basically said the statute was a distraction from the future.
There was an unwritten rule, to allow each side to honor their dead and their leaders.
Why do we get to decide that?
That's my take on the whole thing.
Brave talk by a keyboard commando a hundred plus years after both sides that actually bled in the conflict agreed to the parameters of how each side could honor their dead and failed/successful leaders.
We are no longer a nation who honors people who fought to own other people. We recognize the pure evil of that position. We are finally moving on from the horror of the Confederacy.
Some will be left behind, as always. Change is hard. Harder for some than others.
Pure Evil? Plenty of slavery was still going on back then, including in Africa.
Owning another person and forcing them to work for you, for no pay under threat of violence or death, is PURE EVIL no matter where it occurs. It's stealing another person's life. Stealing their LIFE.
Do you not agree with/understand that?
When you keep defining down "pure evil" you make actual evil meaningless.
Once again you apply modern morality to previous eras in history.
How about we apply past morality to current actions?
Oh hell no. I'll take a pass on past morality where it was okay to own other people. We know better now. We understand it is not okay to own people and force them to work for you. To whip them, to rip their families apart, to rape them AND their children.
It was Pure Evil. It was cruel. It was barbaric. IT WAS NEVER OKAY. Normal people understand this. We are better than our ancestors.
We don't need to pretend these were honorable people. They were not.
It was not pure evil, it was done by very moral people at the time, and opposed by very moral people at the time. Human history has far more time periods where people owned other people than not.
Even today when the practice is universally condemned it still goes on.
Not all Slave owners abused their slaves. Again, some practices were evil, but the institution was not AT THE TIME.
Someone trying it now would be evil.That is purely ignorant nonsense.Not all Slave owners abused their slaves. Again, some practices were evil, but the institution was not AT THE TIME.
Someone trying it now would be evil
See the abolitionist movement for clarity.
Sorry but I refuse to impose my moral standards on past actions for current political gain.
That's all this bullshit is really.
At the time, plenty of people thought it was moral. They even justified it as such, once they kept getting called out by the abolitionists as being immoral. Their logic was shit, and their reasoning flawed, but they did in their own minds justify it.
I consider it to be wrong, but I reserve the term evil for actual evil.
Actually all they were promising in 1860 was preventing it's spread into the territories. That was the Republican Platform, not emancipation, not an amendment to ban it, just limiting the spread.
So while many of the harder line abolitionists wanted to ban it (and some then wanted to ship the inferior blacks back to Africa) most people really just wanted to limit the South's power, and to prevent them from increasing their power via new slave states.
Kind of half assing it if they truly thought it was the darkest evil, right?
Jeez, it's almost like the issue is far more nuanced and complex then certain assholes want to pretend it is....
It also shows that the left requires ideological purity on this issue or you are some WP zealot.
Or are there other complexities and nuances that should be considered when debating the ownership and forced labor of another person?
Ask the Romans, ask the serfs, and ask the indentured servants.
Also ask prisoners.
History is full of exploitation of one group by another, as the examples I have given. Calling it all "evil" just removes the meaning from the term, and equates it with things like the holocaust, serial killings, and cultural practices like female genital mutilation.
Embezzlement is wrong. Burglary is wrong. Identity theft is wrong. Armed robbery is wrong. You diminish the horror of slavery when you equate them with things that are 'wrong'.
Slavery and all the things that came along with it (rape, branding, mutilation, whipping, burning, lynching) was, and is PURE EVIL. Straight up from Hell unless you were the slave owner.
Did you have relatives who owned slaves?
sorry, but back then it was an acceptable practice, and was no different than serfdom or any other form of forced labor done by pretty much everyone.
It's good they are finally being shown for exactly what they were. Vile, evil people who thought Black people were property.
It's curious, your attempts to diminish the evil of slavery. I'm guessing you have some personal connection. In any case, I'm done with this. I know without a trace of doubt that I am on the right side of this issue.
abusing slaves was evil, slavery itself has been part of the human condition for far longer than it has not. Wrong, not evil.Terrorizing black folks for centuries is not evil? You cannot separate their treatment from their subjugation. Subjugation itself is evil.abusing slaves was evil, slavery itself has been part of the human condition for far longer than it has not. Wrong, not evil.
I see now that black lives never have and never will matter to you.
I'm curious as to why you hold this opinion.
Just because I call slavery wrong and not evil?
Guess what? If their own people were willing to sell the weaker of themselves, if the Chinese would have spread throughout the world instead of Europeans they would have exploited the Africans and the Native Americans.
and that conclusion you draw is basically just trying to gain political and moral leverage over me during CURRENT debates, and is the typical tactic used by mewling loser SJW types to try to gain advantage in an argument.