MIT Scientist Debunks Global Warming Hysteria

[ding]

Wrong.
When the ice age glaciers were here, the ocean levels were so low that the Black Sea, and the Dead Sea were dry.
The Mediterranean Sea was 390' lower than it is now.

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(Modern research has shown that Wells' theory is incorrect. All the geological and plant-fossil evidence shows that the Mediterranean did not dry out during the last ice age. Sea levels were 120 m (390 ft) lower than today, resulting in a shallower Strait of Gibraltar and a reduced water exchange with the Atlantic, but there was no cut-off.)
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Messinian salinity crisis - Wikipedia

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But right now we are supposed to be in a cooling period, and water level is supposed to be dropping again, NOT rising.

The slope change happened about 6,000 years ago. Been the same ever since. Nothing to see here.

 

[Rigby5]

That is because it is now warmer than it almost had ever been before, to the point we are risking the death of ocean life, from acidification.

Warmer water releases CO2.

Hotter climates means more CO2 absorption by the oceans,

LOL!

Wrong.

Wrong.
We have increased the CO2 in the atmosphere by over 30%.
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What is Ocean Acidification?​

Ocean acidification is the process whereby ocean waters increase in acid concentration, and the pH level falls beyond normal. There are many things that contribute to this occurrence. Salinity can be simply explained and understood as the amount of salt concentration. Also, the ocean water has some level of pH and is mostly rated on the higher side of the neutral pH on the pH scale.

There are certain times that the ocean experiences changes in its nature. This can encompass the increase in the ocean or seawater acidity. Again, the ocean acidification process can also be explained as a situation where the level of carbon IV oxide in the water increases drastically. This may be influenced by some human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels that cause harm to the atmosphere.
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[Rigby5]

It's an interglacial. That's what happens in interglacial cycles. There's been like 33 of them in the past 3 million years. In fact, we are 2C cooler than past cycles with 120 ppm more CO2.

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According to the ice core history, we are no longer in the interglacial, but supposed to be in the early cooling phase of the next ice age.

What do you think causes these warming and cooling, interglacial and ice age periods?
Everything I have read says that plants absorb CO2, so when they do well, eventually absorb enough CO2 to cause cooling, which then kills the plants, they decay, and return the CO2 to the atmosphere, which restores the warmth.
I have never heard any other possible explanation for the ice age and interglacial warming cycles, which are about 110,000 years long.

 

[Rigby5]

The slope change happened about 6,000 years ago. Been the same ever since. Nothing to see here.

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That is not true.
For example, the flooding of the Maldives, or even Miami, show ocean rise continually.
This is confirmed by the visual change to Greenland melt off, missing snow cap on mountains like Kilimanjaro, loss of Ross Sea ice shelf, etc.
I remember very well when the USS Nautilus first traversed under the North Pole.
It was summer, and was no open water anywhere that one could consider a Northwest Passage.
That is no longer true, and ships have been crossing the North Pole since 2008.

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On November 28, 2008, the Canadian Coast Guard confirmed the first commercial ship sailed through the Northwest Passage. In September 2008, MV Camilla Desgagnés, owned by Desgagnés Transarctik Inc. and, along with the Arctic Cooperative, part of Nunavut Sealift and Supply Incorporated (NSSI),[117] transported cargo from Montreal to the hamlets of Cambridge Bay, Kugluktuk, Gjoa Haven, and Taloyoak. A member of the crew is reported to have claimed that "there was no ice whatsoever." Shipping from the east was to resume in the fall of 2009.[118] Although sealift is an annual feature of the Canadian Arctic this was the first time that the western communities had been serviced from the east. The western portion of the Canadian Arctic is normally supplied by Northern Transportation Company Limited (NTCL) from Hay River, and the eastern portion by NNSI and NTCL from Churchill and Montreal.[119][120]

In January 2010, the ongoing reduction in the Arctic sea ice led telecoms cable specialist Kodiak-Kenai Cable to propose the laying of a fibre-optic cable connecting London and Tokyo by way of the Northwest Passage, saying the proposed system would nearly cut in half the time it takes to send messages from the United Kingdom to Japan.

In September 2013, the first large ice-strengthened sea freighter, Nordic Orion, used the passage.[95]

In 2016 a new record was set when the cruise ship Crystal Serenity transited with 1,700 passengers and crew.[121] Crystal Serenity is the largest cruise ship to navigate the Northwest Passage. Starting on August 10, 2016, the ship sailed from Vancouver to New York City, taking 28 days for the journey.
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[Fort Fun Indiana]

Wrong.
We have increased the CO2 in the atmosphere by over 30%.
{...

What is Ocean Acidification?​

Ocean acidification is the process whereby ocean waters increase in acid concentration, and the pH level falls beyond normal. There are many things that contribute to this occurrence. Salinity can be simply explained and understood as the amount of salt concentration. Also, the ocean water has some level of pH and is mostly rated on the higher side of the neutral pH on the pH scale.

There are certain times that the ocean experiences changes in its nature. This can encompass the increase in the ocean or seawater acidity. Again, the ocean acidification process can also be explained as a situation where the level of carbon IV oxide in the water increases drastically. This may be influenced by some human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels that cause harm to the atmosphere.
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The idea is that warmer water dissolves less CO2. But there is still plenty of capacity for our oceans to absorb more CO2, even if they get warmer (which they will). So the pH of the oceans will continue to drop, as we put more CO2 into the atmosphere, despite the oceans also warming.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Stop trolling.

How come you don't report my alleged trolling, I keep posting the evidence you keep ignoring with a hostile empty reply thrown at me.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wrong.
We have increased the CO2 in the atmosphere by over 30%.
{...

What is Ocean Acidification?​

Ocean acidification is the process whereby ocean waters increase in acid concentration, and the pH level falls beyond normal. There are many things that contribute to this occurrence. Salinity can be simply explained and understood as the amount of salt concentration. Also, the ocean water has some level of pH and is mostly rated on the higher side of the neutral pH on the pH scale.

There are certain times that the ocean experiences changes in its nature. This can encompass the increase in the ocean or seawater acidity. Again, the ocean acidification process can also be explained as a situation where the level of carbon IV oxide in the water increases drastically. This may be influenced by some human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels that cause harm to the atmosphere.
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We have increased the CO2 in the atmosphere by over 30%.

More like 50%

And warmer water holds less dissolved CO2.

 

[Rigby5]

We have increased the CO2 in the atmosphere by over 30%.

More like 50%

And warmer water holds less dissolved CO2.

If you increase the atmospheric CO2 enough, then the dissolved ocean CO2 has to also increase.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

If you increase the atmospheric CO2 enough, then the dissolved ocean CO2 has to also increase.

Also true, to a point. Of course it could become "saturated", eventually. We might not be around to see that, if it ever happens.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If you increase the atmospheric CO2 enough, then the dissolved ocean CO2 has to also increase.

But you said, "Hotter climates means more CO2 absorption by the oceans,"

 

[Rigby5]

But you said, "Hotter climates means more CO2 absorption by the oceans,"

Ok, I have to admit I had that one backwards.
But when you dissolve solids into a liquid, the hotter the liquid, the more solid can be dissolved.
It is just gases are the opposite of solids, so not intuitive to me.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ok, I have to admit I had that one backwards.
But when you dissolve solids into a liquid, the hotter the liquid, the more solid can be dissolved.
It is just gases are the opposite of solids, so not intuitive to me.

Glad I could help.

 

[ding]

According to the ice core history, we are no longer in the interglacial, but supposed to be in the early cooling phase of the next ice age.

What do you think causes these warming and cooling, interglacial and ice age periods?
Everything I have read says that plants absorb CO2, so when they do well, eventually absorb enough CO2 to cause cooling, which then kills the plants, they decay, and return the CO2 to the atmosphere, which restores the warmth.
I have never heard any other possible explanation for the ice age and interglacial warming cycles, which are about 110,000 years long.

Incorrect. Every 4th eccentricity cycle is nearly circular. That was the last cycle.

 

[ding]

That is not true.
For example, the flooding of the Maldives, or even Miami, show ocean rise continually.
This is confirmed by the visual change to Greenland melt off, missing snow cap on mountains like Kilimanjaro, loss of Ross Sea ice shelf, etc.
I remember very well when the USS Nautilus first traversed under the North Pole.
It was summer, and was no open water anywhere that one could consider a Northwest Passage.
That is no longer true, and ships have been crossing the North Pole since 2008.

{...
On November 28, 2008, the Canadian Coast Guard confirmed the first commercial ship sailed through the Northwest Passage. In September 2008, MV Camilla Desgagnés, owned by Desgagnés Transarctik Inc. and, along with the Arctic Cooperative, part of Nunavut Sealift and Supply Incorporated (NSSI),[117] transported cargo from Montreal to the hamlets of Cambridge Bay, Kugluktuk, Gjoa Haven, and Taloyoak. A member of the crew is reported to have claimed that "there was no ice whatsoever." Shipping from the east was to resume in the fall of 2009.[118] Although sealift is an annual feature of the Canadian Arctic this was the first time that the western communities had been serviced from the east. The western portion of the Canadian Arctic is normally supplied by Northern Transportation Company Limited (NTCL) from Hay River, and the eastern portion by NNSI and NTCL from Churchill and Montreal.[119][120]

In January 2010, the ongoing reduction in the Arctic sea ice led telecoms cable specialist Kodiak-Kenai Cable to propose the laying of a fibre-optic cable connecting London and Tokyo by way of the Northwest Passage, saying the proposed system would nearly cut in half the time it takes to send messages from the United Kingdom to Japan.

In September 2013, the first large ice-strengthened sea freighter, Nordic Orion, used the passage.[95]

In 2016 a new record was set when the cruise ship Crystal Serenity transited with 1,700 passengers and crew.[121] Crystal Serenity is the largest cruise ship to navigate the Northwest Passage. Starting on August 10, 2016, the ship sailed from Vancouver to New York City, taking 28 days for the journey.
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It is true. I just showed you the data showing the slope change.

 

[Crick]

The slope change happened about 6,000 years ago. Been the same ever since. Nothing to see here.

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You know, If we plotted these data on a vertical scale of a hundred kilometers or so, we could make your slope change disappear as well. Here is what the oceans are doing right now:

 

[ding]

You know, If we plotted these data on a vertical scale of a hundred kilometers or so, we could make your slope change disappear as well. Here is what the oceans are doing right now:

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3.4 mm/yr is a far cry from what they project. 3.4 mm/yr is closer to the past 6,000 years.

 

[Crick]

3.4 mm/yr is a far cry from what they project. 3.4 mm/yr is closer to the past 6,000 years.

Projections do call for acceleration and those projections are fully warranted. By the way, here is some historical sea level data.

RealClimate: 2000 Years of Sea Level (+updates)

RealClimate: A group of colleagues have succeeded in producing the first continuous proxy record of sea level for the past 2000 years. According to this reconstruction, 20th-Century sea-level rise on the U.S. Atlantic coast is faster than at any time in the past two millennia. Good data on past...

www.realclimate.org

RealClimate: Millennia of sea-level change

RealClimate: How has global sea level changed in the past millennia? And how will it change in this century and in the coming millennia? What part do humans play? Several new papers provide new insights. 2500 years of past sea level variations This week, a paper will appear in the Proceedings of...

www.realclimate.org

RealClimate: Millennia of sea-level change

RealClimate: How has global sea level changed in the past millennia? And how will it change in this century and in the coming millennia? What part do humans play? Several new papers provide new insights. 2500 years of past sea level variations This week, a paper will appear in the Proceedings of...

www.realclimate.org

So, the current rate of sea level rise does NOT look like the last 6,000 years.

 

[Rigby5]

Incorrect. Every 4th eccentricity cycle is nearly circular. That was the last cycle.

Can't be eccentricity.
If the earth orbit is affected by other planets, like Jupiter, and were to become more elliptical, that would NOT cause an ice age.
That would cause a colder winter, but also a hotter summer.

The traditional believe is that the 110,000 years long ice age and interglacial swings are caused by CO2.
Plants absorb CO2, making it get colder, until the plants die and release their CO2 again, which eventually retains and restores warming.

The proof of this is that although we can detect over a dozen of these ice age and interglacial swings, they only seem to leave any trace after plants were prolific enough. Before that there are no temp swings like this. And if orbital, then we would see the same swings, always.

 

[ding]

Projections do call for acceleration and those projections are fully warranted. By the way, here is some historical sea level data. So, the current rate of sea level rise does NOT look like the last 6,000 years.

Never going to happen. These projections are a joke and will be proven wrong within 10 years. Of course when that happens will probably just keep pushing the hockey stick further out into the future and argue it's coming.

 

[ding]

Can't be eccentricity.
If the earth orbit is affected by other planets, like Jupiter, and were to become more elliptical, that would NOT cause an ice age.
That would cause a colder winter, but also a hotter summer.

The traditional believe is that the 110,000 years long ice age and interglacial swings are caused by CO2.
Plants absorb CO2, making it get colder, until the plants die and release their CO2 again, which eventually retains and restores warming.

The proof of this is that although we can detect over a dozen of these ice age and interglacial swings, they only seem to leave any trace after plants were prolific enough. Before that there are no temp swings like this. And if orbital, then we would see the same swings, always.

It's all explained in the video.