Mistaken, missinformed, or outright liars? Why do pastors shovel their Bull?

[HaShev]

Organized religion generally hides the truth.

No, not necessarily true. It is the congregations who may not realize that there is so much more to learn and to fathom than they can possibly get from an hour or two at church each week.

A new Temple can open. It can teach. However, teaching even 24/7 can only do so much if the students can only attend or tune in a very small fraction of that. The information is already here--just not the time (and perhaps not even the inclination) for people to study.

In a round about way you answered his concern about the purpose of THE Temple (Mikdash) in YeruShalem. Basically admitting the teachings are all over the place and look where that got us, so he must understand without a real central source for teaching the teachers who go out and teach, then there will be many paths leading away from our purpose and direction rather then towards one in understanding.

Understanding what. You going back to burnt offerings?

Since the meat and food through community offering is eaten and shared with the less fortunate and the community gathering is a teshuva and healing experience then it's not barbaric or archaic as you wish to project. Even your communities that have bring your own dish holiday picnics, parties, and communal gathering is in likeness to the Temple gathering offerings. It's done to appreciate the labors and blessing of your neighbors. What do you think they are doing today when giving thanks to the essential workers by offering them pizza? -oh the horror!

 

[Manonthestreet]

Organized religion generally hides the truth.

No, not necessarily true. It is the congregations who may not realize that there is so much more to learn and to fathom than they can possibly get from an hour or two at church each week.

A new Temple can open. It can teach. However, teaching even 24/7 can only do so much if the students can only attend or tune in a very small fraction of that. The information is already here--just not the time (and perhaps not even the inclination) for people to study.

In a round about way you answered his concern about the purpose of THE Temple (Mikdash) in YeruShalem. Basically admitting the teachings are all over the place and look where that got us, so he must understand without a real central source for teaching the teachers who go out and teach, then there will be many paths leading away from our purpose and direction rather then towards one in understanding.

Understanding what. You going back to burnt offerings?

Since the meat and food through community offering is eaten and shared with the less fortunate and the community gathering is a teshuva and healing experience then it's not barbaric or archaic as you wish to project. Even your communities that have bring your own dish holiday picnics, parties, and communal gathering is in likeness to the Temple gathering offerings. It's done to appreciate the labors and blessing of your neighbors. What do you think they are doing today when giving thanks to the essential workers by offering them pizza? -oh the horror!

Except there is no religious connotation attached......

 

[HaShev]

Organized religion generally hides the truth.

No, not necessarily true. It is the congregations who may not realize that there is so much more to learn and to fathom than they can possibly get from an hour or two at church each week.

A new Temple can open. It can teach. However, teaching even 24/7 can only do so much if the students can only attend or tune in a very small fraction of that. The information is already here--just not the time (and perhaps not even the inclination) for people to study.

In a round about way you answered his concern about the purpose of THE Temple (Mikdash) in YeruShalem. Basically admitting the teachings are all over the place and look where that got us, so he must understand without a real central source for teaching the teachers who go out and teach, then there will be many paths leading away from our purpose and direction rather then towards one in understanding.

Understanding what. You going back to burnt offerings?

Since the meat and food through community offering is eaten and shared with the less fortunate and the community gathering is a teshuva and healing experience then it's not barbaric or archaic as you wish to project. Even your communities that have bring your own dish holiday picnics, parties, and communal gathering is in likeness to the Temple gathering offerings. It's done to appreciate the labors and blessing of your neighbors. What do you think they are doing today when giving thanks to the essential workers by offering them pizza? -oh the horror!

Except there is no religious connotation attached......

Then why do they reply God Bless you? *L*

 

[Newtonian]

Organized religion generally hides the truth.

That is true. But what is the truth? In John 17:17 Jesus prays to Jehovah:

Sanctify them by means of the truth;+ your word is truth.

Jesus, as a faithful Jew, prayed to Jehovah - the God all Jews pray to. Christendom hides this truth by removing the Divine Name from the greatest commandment in Scripture:

Mark 12:28-34
One of the scribes who had come up and heard them disputing, knowing that he had answered them in a fine way, asked him: “Which commandment is first* of all?”+ 29 Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah, 30 and you must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength.’+ 31 The second is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’+ There is no other commandment greater than these.” 32 The scribe said to him: “Teacher, you spoke well, in line with truth, ‘He is One, and there is no other besides him’;+ 33 and to love him with one’s whole heart, with one’s whole understanding, and with one’s whole strength and to love one’s neighbor as oneself is worth far more than all the whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.”+ 34 At this Jesus, discerning that he had answered intelligently, said to him: “You are not far from the Kingdom of God.” But no one had the courage to question him anymore.+

As always, Jesus is quoting from the Hebrew Scriptures - the greatest commandment in the Bible according to Jesus:

Deuteronomy 6:4,5
“Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.+ 5 You must love Jehovah your God with all your heart and all your soul*+ and all your strength.*+

The Divine Name occurs 3 times in the original Hebrew text of Deut.6:4,5 - but most of Christendom's translations remove the Divine Name (H3068/yehovah) and insert the title Lord (H113/adon H136 adonay). They do this for a number of invalid reasons - one is especially relevant to this thread: when they read "Lord" they think of Jesus, not Jehovah. Some even blasphemously state Jesus is Jehovah!

So, who removed the Divine Name from the greatest commandment in the Bible?

 

[Newtonian]

Organized religion generally hides the truth.

No, not necessarily true. It is the congregations who may not realize that there is so much more to learn and to fathom than they can possibly get from an hour or two at church each week.

A new Temple can open. It can teach. However, teaching even 24/7 can only do so much if the students can only attend or tune in a very small fraction of that. The information is already here--just not the time (and perhaps not even the inclination) for people to study.

In a round about way you answered his concern about the purpose of THE Temple (Mikdash) in YeruShalem. Basically admitting the teachings are all over the place and look where that got us, so he must understand without a real central source for teaching the teachers who go out and teach, then there will be many paths leading away from our purpose and direction rather then towards one in understanding.

That is true. Those of my religion are enjoying the miraculous fulfillment of the prophecy in Isaiah 2:2-4 -

In the final part of the days,*
The mountain of the house of Jehovah
Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains,+
And it will be raised up above the hills,
And to it all the nations will stream.+
3 And many peoples will go and say:

“Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah,
To the house of the God of Jacob.+
He will instruct us about his ways,
And we will walk in his paths.”+
For law* will go out of Zion,
And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem.+
4 He will render judgment among the nations
And set matters straight* respecting many peoples.
They will beat their swords into plowshares
And their spears into pruning shears.+
Nation will not lift up sword against nation,
Nor will they learn war anymore.+

Thankfully we are learning God's ways and learning to walk in God's paths - but not from earthly Zion/Jerusalem but rather from heavenly Zion. Earthly Jerusalem does not issue the law involving our learning war no more. Thankfully, in harmony with this law, Jesus taught us to love our enemies (Matthew 5:44).

But which mountain do you all think is being referred to in Isaiah 2:2?

See the two mountains of Daniel 2:35,44,45

 

[harmonica]

.....no one can prove there is a god....the bible is man made stories ..so it's all ''lies''/fairytales

 

[HaShev]

As Shimon pointed out to me from a new study:
The hidden secret to better handling this virus has been on my avatar all this time, but hey I'm just some typo king on a silly message board, what do I know? And what good is a Temple (central source platform from which to be heard) to validate & reach and teach what I know?

 

[shimon]

Yes...lol... Apparently the Pineal Gland produces Melatonin which although abundant in the young becomes lacking as we get older.. Bats have an abundunce of melatonin hence they are not adversely affected by this virus.. If some of you would like to google this up there are studies corrobarating this and gives us a really good angle to counter this virus and others like it as vacines may not work in the long run because these viruses have a tendency to mutate over time rendering vacines worthless...

 

[HaShev]

Yes...lol... Apparently the Pineal Gland produces Melatonin which although abundant in the young becomes lacking as we get older.. Bats have an abundunce of melatonin hence they are not adversely affected by this virus.. If some of you would like to google this up there are studies corrobarating this and gives us a really good angle to counter this virus and others like it as vacines may not work in the long run because these viruses have a tendency to mutate over time rendering vacines worthless...

They won't take the energy to look up nothing.
These are the same people who never ask questions in regard to their religions contradictions to historical accounts, what stocks went up 150% in one day, or what over the counter remedies hinders the virus....you know why?
Because negativity, impossibility, stasists, they all are programed as naysayers to anything helpful to their lives, as if nobody can do it if it's what they or those they look up to can't do it.
It's like that First chapter Noah joke, they live in a world they create out of their own inadequacies and resistance to solutions and shutting out of problem solvers. It's quite a social science and psychological study of human behavior we see taking place just by the lack of wanting to redeem things. It's worse then just Unilever then Johnson and Johnson not taking helpful suggestions to help humanity through this adjustment period, it's our programing as failures instilled by schools, media and social networks that brainwash us as pathetic creatures thus we become self fulfilled as such.