Missed This-Israel, Iran, Palestinians & Terrorists

[dilloduck]

Then why are the Israelis putting settlements there?

 

[ajwps]

Then why are the Israelis putting settlements there?

Why do people living in Los Angeles begin to build suburbs in the valley? Reason: The land in the valley belongs to the United States.

Israel builds suburbs in Israel (disputed by the Arabs) but still the land belongs to the Jewish state.

GET IT?????

 

[dilloduck]

Why do people living in Los Angeles begin to build suburbs in the valley? Reason: The land in the valley belongs to the United States.

Israel builds suburbs in Israel (disputed by the Arabs) but still the land belongs to the Jewish state.

GET IT?????

Are you gonna tell me the Israelis are not building settlements on occupied territory ?

 

[JIHADTHIS]

For Dillo:
http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html

 

[ajwps]

Are you gonna tell me the Israelis are not building settlements on occupied territory ?

Well Dilloduck it depends on who you believe is occupying Israeli territory gained in a war. Do you have copies of any Arab land ownership grant papers or registered Arab property title documents of either the Gaza Strip or West Bank? Maybe you could find such documents on the internet for us. Or perhaps you could show evidence that the Arabs won either land area in Israel by war or perchance the Arab nullifyication on the Oslo accords giving them temperary land possession based on ending terrorism and eliminating their documented declaration to murder the Jewish people. Arafat signed the Oslo Accords then immediately voided this agreement by attacking Israel with the Initifada. Ergo no Arab Israeli land to be occuppied.

It would be quite amusing if you could pull that trick out of your high topped hat.

 

[Annie]

This thread got off topic, so I split it!

 

[dilloduck]

Well Dilloduck it depends on who you believe is occupying Israeli territory gained in a war. Do you have copies of any Arab land ownership grant papers or registered Arab property title documents of either the Gaza Strip or West Bank? Maybe you could find such documents on the internet for us. Or perhaps you could show evidence that the Arabs won either land area in Israel by war or perchance the Arab nullifyication on the Oslo accords giving them temperary land possession based on ending terrorism and eliminating their documented declaration to murder the Jewish people. Arafat signed the Oslo Accords then immediately voided this agreement by attacking Israel with the Initifada. Ergo no Arab Israeli land to be occuppied.

It would be quite amusing if you could pull that trick out of your high topped hat.

Then why do Israelis themselves refer to it as occupied territory? Is there some disagreement within Israel?

 

[ajwps]

Then why do Israelis themselves refer to it as occupied territory? Is there some disagreement within Israel?

The answer is obvious isn't it. The Israelis refer to it as occupied (Israel) territory. The omission is simply to appease the Bush administration and the Saudi Princes.

 

[dilloduck]

The answer is obvious isn't it. The Israelis refer to it as occupied (Israel) territory. The omission is simply to appease the Bush administration and the Saudi Princes.

OH---part of the strings attatched to the loans huh?

 

[drac]

OH---part of the strings attatched to the loans huh?

Are you still seriously believe that there is no strings attached to the money we give to israel? or any country for that matter?

 

[drac]

The answer is obvious isn't it. The Israelis refer to it as occupied (Israel) territory. The omission is simply to appease the Bush administration and the Saudi Princes.

First of all the original statement is not totaly correct. Some refer to it as occupied territory others as disputed.

Some people (including israelis) believe that wb and gaza should be part of the future palestinian state. They refer to that land as occupied, cause it was occupied from jordan and egypt, which in turn occupied it from the future palestinian state. So, doubt that appeasing Bush or saudis have anything to do with it.

 

[dilloduck]

First of all the original statement is not totaly correct. Some refer to it as occupied territory others as disputed.

Some people (including israelis) believe that wb and gaza should be part of the future palestinian state. They refer to that land as occupied, cause it was occupied from jordan and egypt, which in turn occupied it from the future palestinian state. So, doubt that appeasing Bush or saudis have anything to do with it.

What you refer to as "appeasing" Bush is more likely the Israelis doing what they agreed to in order to continue receiving American tax-payer money. If Israel is to be dependent on foreign aid it will have to continue to hold up thier side of the agreement. Israel also behaves in a certain fashion to keep the rich arab countries from pouring money into the region to support terrorism. When Israel becomes financially indepedent, I expect it to take what lands they want and establish firm borders. The refugees will realize the futility in looking to Israel for ANY form of compassion or reparation and be forced to relocate OUTSIDE of Israel. With no disputes territories, the terrorists will be forced into operating from a soveriegn arab country and these countries will be under severe pressure to stop providing them safe haven. With economic independence, Israel will be free to handle internal affairs ANY WAY THEY WANT TO. There is no power in the mideast that could prevent them from these actions IF THEY WERE FINANCIALLY INDEPENDENT. Israel has won the military battle but its' FINANCIAL DEPENDENCE keeps them from doing what they really want to do with the territory they won with bullets.

 

[ajwps]

OH---part of the strings attatched to the loans huh?

Actually no one knows what or why Sharon finds it necessary to appease Bush and the State Department.

There is no question that the Arabs have given up any offered gift of Israel's land. Ergo the land of Israel is occuppied by the Arabs who wish to destroy and kill the Jewish people and the land of Israel.

In the end appeasement has never had any effect on the outcome. Israel remains intact.

 

[dilloduck]

Actually no one knows what or why Sharon finds it necessary to appease Bush and the State Department.

There is no question that the Arabs have given up any offered gift of Israel's land. Ergo the land of Israel is occuppied by the Arabs who wish to destroy and kill the Jewish people and the land of Israel.

In the end appeasement has never had any effect on the outcome. Israel remains intact.

ohhhhh cmon AJ------someone knows the secret!!!

 

[ajwps]

What you refer to as "appeasing" Bush is more likely the Israelis doing what they agreed to in order to continue receiving American tax-payer money. If Israel is to be dependent on foreign aid it will have to continue to hold up thier side of the agreement. Israel also behaves in a certain fashion to keep the rich arab countries from pouring money into the region to support terrorism. When Israel becomes financially indepedent, I expect it to take what lands they want and establish firm borders. The refugees will realize the futility in looking to Israel for ANY form of compassion or reparation and be forced to relocate OUTSIDE of Israel. With no disputes territories, the terrorists will be forced into operating from a soveriegn arab country and these countries will be under severe pressure to stop providing them safe haven. With economic independence, Israel will be free to handle internal affairs ANY WAY THEY WANT TO. There is no power in the mideast that could prevent them from these actions IF THEY WERE FINANCIALLY INDEPENDENT. Israel has won the military battle but its' FINANCIAL DEPENDENCE keeps them from doing what they really want to do with the territory they won with bullets.

Israel's yearly budget is in the 90+ billion dollar range. It is highly unlikely that Sharon appeases Bush for only 3 billion in loan guarantees.

It is highly likely that a mutual partnership in technology and scienctific research programs is probably the source of Bush and Sharon having to appear unified in their shared ultimate goals.

Bush veto's Arab resolutions to sanction Israel and Israel gives Bush political cover for appearing to acquiesce to Bush's 'road map and disengagement plan.'

It is becoming apparent that Sharon will not be successful in withdrawing Israelis from Gaza or the West Bank of Israel.

The Arab 'refugees' well know previous expulsions from many Arab countries to other lands in the past and also understand that they are not welcomed anywhere they have been before. As far as Israel is concerned, they will not care were they go as long as they GO....

 

[dilloduck]

Israel's yearly budget is in the 90+ billion dollar range. It is highly unlikely that Sharon appeases Bush for only 3 billion in loan guarantees.

It is highly likely that a mutual partnership in technology and scienctific research programs is probably the source of Bush and Sharon having to appear unified in their shared ultimate goals.

Bush veto's Arab resolutions to sanction Israel and Israel gives Bush political cover for appearing to acquiesce to Bush's 'road map and disengagement plan.'

It is becoming apparent that Sharon will not be successful in withdrawing Israels from Gaza or the West Bank of Israel.

The Arab 'refugees' well know previous expulsions from many Arab countries to other lands in the past and also understand that they are not welcomed anywhere they have been before. As far as Israel is concerned, they will not care were they go as long as they GO....

So you think all the smoke and mirrors routine is to retain the Us veto ?---We certainly could share technology no matter what the situation.

 

[ajwps]

First of all the original statement is not totaly correct. Some refer to it as occupied territory others as disputed.

The Arabs like to refer to all of Israel as occupied and Israel refers to Gaza and West Bank as 'disputed' territories.

Some people (including israelis) believe that wb and gaza should be part of the future palestinian state. They refer to that land as occupied, cause it was occupied from jordan and egypt, which in turn occupied it from the future palestinian state. So, doubt that appeasing Bush or saudis have anything to do with it.

SOME people and a few Israelis believe a lot of things but nothing to do what is today. Yes parts of Israel had been occupied by Jordan, Britain, Ottomans and others in the PAST but right now it is a declared sovereing country called Israel.

Israel does not occupy its country RIGHT NOW. Israel is a country as much as England, France, USA, Australia or any other country in the world. For this status to change in any way, Israel will have to be taken in battle and not by peaceful dismantling or even some Israeli wishing to give it away.

And thats the way it is....

 

[ajwps]

So you think all the smoke and mirrors routine is to retain the Us veto ?---We certainly could share technology no matter what the situation.

Yes Israel and the US would certainly share technology no matter what the situation but for political considerations (like the November 04 election and the Arab world's consumption) both the US and Israel have to appear (smoke and mirrors) to be evenhanded. If Israel and the US were not to share and work together in all fields of technology because Israel did nothing Bush needed or Israel needed, then for sure the avowed enemies of both countries would benefit.

Don't you think?

 

[dilloduck]

Yes Israel and the US would certainly share technology no matter what the situation but for political considerations (like the November 04 election and the Arab world's consumption) both the US and Israel have to appear (smoke and mirrors) to be evenhanded. If Israel and the US were not to share and work together in all fields of technology because Israel did nothing Bush needed or Israel needed, then for sure the avowed enemies of both countries would benefit.

Don't you think?

I don't think the appearance of being evenhanded is fooling anybody and in fact looks blatantly suspect. It's time for the US and Israel to come out of the closet. The Jews in America would NEVER allow the US to fail to protect Israel in the UN. Seems to be an internal problem in Israeli politics to me.

 

[freeandfun1]

I don't think the appearance of being evenhanded is fooling anybody and in fact looks blatantly suspect. It's time for the US and Israel to come out of the closet. The Jews in America would NEVER allow the US to fail to protect Israel in the UN. Seems to be an internal problem in Israeli politics to me.

I am pretty confident it is very well known that the US and Israel share technology. Israel and the US share technology with many nations.

I haven't read the whole thread, so maybe I am missing something, but why are we acting like it is a big secret that NATIONS share technologies?