Millions face tax increases under Dems budget plan

[Old Rocks]

Hmmm...... Clinton increased taxes, and then created an atmosphere in which the longest sustained economic boom this nation has known took place. Balanced budget, really high employment, even paid a little on the National Debt.

Then you Conservatives took over. And did a really bang up job. And the nation is still banged up from the job you incompetant corrupt goofs did.

 

[elvis]

Hmmm...... Clinton increased taxes, and then created an atmosphere in which the longest sustained economic boom this nation has known took place. Balanced budget, really high employment, even paid a little on the National Debt.

Then you Conservatives took over. And did a really bang up job. And the nation is still banged up from the job you incompetant corrupt goofs did.

Clinton repealed Glass-Steagall. You know. the act that said banks couldn't get into risky investments? or are you just playing the role of Lewinsky again?

 

[Claudette]

Hmmm...... Clinton increased taxes, and then created an atmosphere in which the longest sustained economic boom this nation has known took place. Balanced budget, really high employment, even paid a little on the National Debt.

Then you Conservatives took over. And did a really bang up job. And the nation is still banged up from the job you incompetant corrupt goofs did.

Clinton sure did balance the budget but you left out the part about how he had a Rep congress to do it with.

Clinton couldn't work with is Dem majority congress. When the Reps took over he was smart enough to move to the center and he COULD work with the Reps. They accomlished a lot.

As for incompetant goofs. Gotta laugh at that one. There are as many incompetant goofs on the left as there are on the right.

If the Dems remain in power you and everyone else will find that out in one big hurry.

Ya better hang onto your wallet. They are coming after it in a big way. LOL

 

[drsmith1072]

Oh and immie, as to your first claim in post #73.

As for who is attacking whom, you have never addressed me without attacking me, so it appears you are simply projecting again.

This was my first response to you in this thread.



so where did I attack YOU??

Where did you attack me?

LOL IMO, I don't think you hate to say it.

You called me a liar right there, jackass. That is a personal attack if I have ever seen one.

And what the hell is with all your "LOL". When you do that, in the manner you do, it makes it appear that you are laughing at people and that you think you are so much smarter than everyone else.

To be frank with you, it only makes you look like a jackass. People that are smart, don't need to try so hard to make others think they are smart.

And in my comment, I was not attacking you at least not intentionally. As I stated, I do not have the faith that you have in either political party. I am furious at both parties. American politicians are corrupt and they are destroying this country. I respect that you do not feel this towards them... at least not yet. There was no intention to attack you in that section that you quoted. I do wish I did not feel the way that I do towards the people that lead this country. It would make my life here in America so much better. I grew up believing that I should respect the President, Congress, the courts and the state governments, but now it seems to be something that do not deserve our respect.

It saddens me, because I feel that I dishonor my country because I do not feel proper honor to those who lead, but how can we when we see that they are destroying this country and I am not only speaking of Democrats. Truly, I am not.

Immie

WOW talk about desperation. LOL that is what you call an attack?? I did NOT call you a liar but it's obvious based on your spin and desperation to attack me that you are less than honest.

Then to follow that up, once again you try to present some made up work of fiction to define me based on your biased OPINIONS. Thanks for once AGAIN exposing your typical and standard dishonesty. NOW I am calling you a LIAR because you are and your own dishonest posts, as you once again try to attribute a belief to me that i have NEVER presented, show that to be the case. You have shown that you have a habit of doing that seeing as how you have repeated it several times in this thread.

so now you spin that you were not attacking me "intentionally" even as you read something into my statement, a statement that did NOT call you a liar as you spin your own meaning. Fruthermore, you stated that I have "a blind faith in slightly more than half of our elected officials." as you once again read something into my post that is NOT there. Your statement is far closer to the definition of an attack than mine ever could be and YOUR attack came first.

and one final thing to show your dishonesty is the the fact that the question "Where did I attack you?" was directed at the post I quoted since you claimed

As for who is attacking whom, you have never addressed me without attacking me, so it appears you are simply projecting again.

but thanks for taking my post out of context to suit your own needs to spin.

Based on what has been said here you are the one that can't address me without attacking me.
Thanks again for the spin.

 

[drsmith1072]

That is completely untrue. How can a public option bring about competition when the govt would not have to make a profit to stay in "business" and would have an unlimited pool money to fund the "Government Option". How do private businesses compete with that? To use a term the liberals often use, how it that "fair". Seems to me libs are all about fairness.

Real competition could have been brought about through allowing individuals to buy HC insurance across state lines. That was something the Repubs tried to get in the bill and was soundly rejected by the Dems.

The govt is going to regulate and mandate these HC companies into bankruptcy and then claim that they were given a chance to do the right thing but now they (govt) will have to step in and save everyone from these failing companies.

The competition arises when you have a business in the game that can drive costs down by offering the same product for less.

and here come the talking points. across state lines is the end all and be all talking point answer and is not REAL competition.

Then to end it all you come with the scare tactics. How typical.

 

[Immanuel]

Oh and immie, as to your first claim in post #73.



This was my first response to you in this thread.



so where did I attack YOU??

Where did you attack me?



You called me a liar right there, jackass. That is a personal attack if I have ever seen one.

And what the hell is with all your "LOL". When you do that, in the manner you do, it makes it appear that you are laughing at people and that you think you are so much smarter than everyone else.

To be frank with you, it only makes you look like a jackass. People that are smart, don't need to try so hard to make others think they are smart.

And in my comment, I was not attacking you at least not intentionally. As I stated, I do not have the faith that you have in either political party. I am furious at both parties. American politicians are corrupt and they are destroying this country. I respect that you do not feel this towards them... at least not yet. There was no intention to attack you in that section that you quoted. I do wish I did not feel the way that I do towards the people that lead this country. It would make my life here in America so much better. I grew up believing that I should respect the President, Congress, the courts and the state governments, but now it seems to be something that do not deserve our respect.

It saddens me, because I feel that I dishonor my country because I do not feel proper honor to those who lead, but how can we when we see that they are destroying this country and I am not only speaking of Democrats. Truly, I am not.

Immie

WOW talk about desperation. LOL that is what you call an attack?? I did NOT call you a liar but it's obvious based on your spin and desperation to attack me that you are less than honest.

Then to follow that up, once again you try to present some made up work of fiction to define me based on your biased OPINIONS. Thanks for once AGAIN exposing your typical and standard dishonesty. NOW I am calling you a LIAR because you are and your own dishonest posts, as you once again try to attribute a belief to me that i have NEVER presented, show that to be the case. You have shown that you have a habit of doing that seeing as how you have repeated it several times in this thread.

so now you spin that you were not attacking me "intentionally" even as you read something into my statement, a statement that did NOT call you a liar as you spin your own meaning. Fruthermore, you stated that I have "a blind faith in slightly more than half of our elected officials." as you once again read something into my post that is NOT there. Your statement is far closer to the definition of an attack than mine ever could be and YOUR attack came first.

and one final thing to show your dishonesty is the the fact that the question "Where did I attack you?" was directed at the post I quoted since you claimed

As for who is attacking whom, you have never addressed me without attacking me, so it appears you are simply projecting again.

but thanks for taking my post out of context to suit your own needs to spin.

Based on what has been said here you are the one that can't address me without attacking me.
Thanks again for the spin.

Maybe if you would just learn how to write clearly?

Because it seems pretty evident to me that you only know how to attack your opponents with whiny assed posts. I've never seen anyone whine as much as you do. I mean just read the bullshit post I quoted here. All of it is a whine. That is all you do. Oh poor little old Smith, people actually take him for the words that he uses as a representation of himself. Poor old Smith. whaaaaa whaaaa whaaaa!

You rarely address the subject and always go on the attack almost immediately. You might open with a brief comment, but then you turn into a whiny little baby. This thread is a clear example of that. You are not addressing the subject your whining about me. Get over yourself.

I replied very politely to your opening post to me. Following that though, you came out with your:

uh I don't have blind faith in the left. I just know I don't like the fact that the right goes out of their way to see and create evil in the left to the point that they will just make it up if they think they will gain politically.
nonexistent death panels, this is a bailout bill claims based on a talking poiint memo produced before the bill was written as they hold the nation hostage to get their way, obama nationalized student loans when all he did was end the socialistic program of subsidizing student loans with federal money, obamacare is a take over of the healthcare industry when no such takeover is in the bill, and obama is a socialist becuase he took over GM because they took bailout money and in no way shape or form is it considered a take over of the auto industry by any honest person.

Have you ever read any of your posts? Talk about going out of the way to create evil in the opposition to the point that you will just make things up! That is exactly what you do with me in every conversation we have had recently. Once again, have you ever critically read your own writing? Check out the bold part and then read some of your other posts. That is exactly what you do. Do you understand the term projecting?

If you had paid even the slightest bit of attention to my postings, you would see that I don't support either side. I dislike politicians on both the left and the right. Not just some of them but almost all of them. You have not seen me praise many politicians in the last four years. Nor do you see me blaming everyone on the left for all of our troubles. I'm also pissed off at the right for the Neo-con bullshit "conservatism"

You never attempt to discuss an issue with me. You always resort to attacking your opponent. I'm more than willing to discuss an issue that I know little about because that is how I learn, but you are not interested in having discussions. You only seem to want to prove that you can be a jackass. And that you do very well.

So, my advice to you is that you take a writing class and you give up on the partisanship for the time being.

And perhaps if you would learn how to use the quote button underneath a post, it would have made it easy to figure out which post you were referring to.

As for the so called attack I made on you, I was not attacking you. I had no intention of offending you. In fact, I was trying to be friendly and start a discussion about the issue with you. Unfortunately, maybe you took it a little close to the heart? Maybe you are sensitive to your partisanship? I'll admit that I am sensitive to being called a liar. I don't particularly like it because I try to be honest in my all postings. I try to give my honest beliefs about an issue. I'm not always right, but I try to be honest and fair, so when you accuse me of lying it bothers me. Oh, and since you don't seem to understand the difference between being wrong and lying, one need not be lying simply because they are wrong.

I do not believe I have ever "put words in your mouth". I have given my impressions of you. They may not be accurate, but since it does not appear that you have critically read your own writing you would not understand how you come across.

I simply stated that I do not have the faith that you have in our government. You took it as an attack. I actually was trying to be polite to you. Which evidently you do not know how to return the favor. I was actually attempting to open the door for you to give your point of view. It was a pretty simple opening for you.

I have tried multiple times to reconcile with you, but every time I do, you come back and prove that you are a jerk. I have no idea why either. Perhaps it is just that belief you seem to have about all conservatives? You know the one that says they go out of their way to create evil in the left to the point that they will make things up? Am I putting words in your mouth again?

NOW I am calling you a LIAR because you are and your own dishonest posts, as you once again try to attribute a belief to me that i have NEVER presented, show that to be the case. You have shown that you have a habit of doing that seeing as how you have repeated it several times in this thread.

And what bullshit is this? What do you claim that I said that you have never presented? Your blind faith? Isn't it evident in all your partisan posts? Your words speak for you. I can't help that fact. Have you ever spoken honestly? Have you ever attempted to honestly discuss an issue?

Or was it this comment of mine?

And what the hell is with all your "LOL". When you do that, in the manner you do, it makes it appear that you are laughing at people and that you think you are so much smarter than everyone else.

To be frank with you, it only makes you look like a jackass. People that are smart, don't need to try so hard to make others think they are smart.

Since you could not clearly identify where I was dishonest, I have to probe to find out what dishonest things you think I said? Again, I am giving my impressions and I can only go off your own unclear writings.

I'm sorry, but your incessant, LOL, when you are definitely attempting to make yourself seem so much smarter than the person whom you are attacking (unsuccessfully I might add) only makes you look like a jackass. That is a fact. And it seems pretty evident by your own words that this is exactly what you are trying to do.

So, I don't quite know what you are accusing me of having done. I cannot identify anyplace where I actually "attribute[d] a belief to [you] that [you] have NEVER presented"

Perhaps if you could write clearly, I would know what you are talking about.

And by the way, I'm sure you will just ignore about 90% of this post as you typically do and you will make up more bullshit about me, but then that is just the way you are.

Immie

 

[drsmith1072]

WOW all of those words and all you ended up doing was mimicking the label that you are trying to assign to me.

You say I attack my opponents and yet that is all that you have done. In fact your initial response in this post is a multi paragraph baseless attack where you go out of your way to try and tear me down based on your own baseless OPINIONS. That pretty much applies to the whole of your post.

Then you try to say that when you claimed that I have blind faith in the democrats that somehow that is considered replying "politely." Come on I know you can be more honest than that.

then you come at me with more baseless attacks

Have you ever read any of your posts? Talk about going out of the way to create evil in the opposition to the point that you will just make things up!

and yet when I made the statement that you focused on

I just know I don't like the fact that the right goes out of their way to see and create evil in the left to the point that they will just make it up if they think they will gain politically.

I gave examples to substantiate my argument that the right make things up if they think they will gain politically.

nonexistent death panels, this is a bailout bill claims based on a talking poiint memo produced before the bill was written as they hold the nation hostage to get their way, obama nationalized student loans when all he did was end the socialistic program of subsidizing student loans with federal money, obamacare is a take over of the healthcare industry when no such takeover is in the bill, and obama is a socialist becuase he took over GM because they took bailout money and in no way shape or form is it considered a take over of the auto industry by any honest person.

So it's funny how you ignored the evidence and then tried to claim that I was making things up in your typical attempts to transfer your own shortcomings to me.


Then comes your excuses for your attack.

As for the so called attack I made on you, I was not attacking you. I had no intention of offending you. In fact, I was trying to be friendly and start a discussion about the issue with you. Unfortunately, maybe you took it a little close to the heart? Maybe you are sensitive to your partisanship?

You attack me claiming I don't read what I write and yet I have to ask you that very question because the above rant applies to your own posts. Telling someone that they have blind faith is not being "friendly". As for hitting a little close to the heart (another attack) and being sensitive to YOUR partisanship (another attack) that would seem to apply to you based on your own assumption that my intent was to call you a liar which was not the case. Do you see how your own spin applies to you??

I do not believe I have ever "put words in your mouth". I have given my impressions of you. They may not be accurate, but since it does not appear that you have critically read your own writing you would not understand how you come across.

And yet you once again attack and criticise my abilities to read my own writing when YOU fail to realize how you come across as you attempt to put words into my mouth and define me personally based on your own biased OPINIONS.

Here is an example of you putting words into my mouth

I am glad to know that there is at least one person in America that loves what was forced upon us when President Obama signed that bill.

I never said I loved the healthcare bill. You claiming that I do is YOU making shite up and attributing it to me so you can attack me for a position that I never held.
Proof provided that you do in fact try to put words in my mouth. Spinning won't change that FACT.


here comes more spin and dishonesty form you.

I simply stated that I do not have the faith that you have in our government. You took it as an attack. I actually was trying to be polite to you. Which evidently you do not know how to return the favor. I was actually attempting to open the door for you to give your point of view. It was a pretty simple opening for you.

Actually here is what you "simply stated"

Unfortunately, I don't have the same faith in the left that you have... in some ways I envy you, in that you seem to have a blind faith in slightly more than half of our elected officials. I truly wish I could feel the same faith.

That is NOT being polite. It is being condescending as you presume to know me as you claim that I have a blind faith in democrats that I have never presented. I don't know why you can't be honest about it and admit that you attacked me.

You never attempt to discuss an issue with me. You always resort to attacking your opponent.

actually based on how our discussion in this thread began. You made a comment.

Did you mean

A) Financial Bankrupt

B) Morally Bankrupt

C) Both of the above?

I responded

It depends, in this alternate reality are republicans in charge?? if so then I would definitely have to say C. Actually 'B' would fit the current reality quite well where righties are conerned.

and then YOU attacked me.

Unfortunately, I don't have the same faith in the left that you have... in some ways I envy you, in that you seem to have a blind faith in slightly more than half of our elected officials. I truly wish I could feel the same faith.

So even IF i responded in kind can you HONESTLY blame me??

And what bullshit is this? What do you claim that I said that you have never presented? Your blind faith? Isn't it evident in all your partisan posts? Your words speak for you. I can't help that fact. Have you ever spoken honestly? Have you ever attempted to honestly discuss an issue?

It would be nice IF you could leave my comments IN context, maybe then you would be able to see what i am referring to.

This is the only part that you cut from my post.

NOW I am calling you a LIAR because you are and your own dishonest posts, as you once again try to attribute a belief to me that i have NEVER presented, show that to be the case. You have shown that you have a habit of doing that seeing as how you have repeated it several times in this thread.

and yet HERE is my entire comment including the part that YOU excluded so you could pretend that you didn't know what i was talking about.

Then to follow that up, once again you try to present some made up work of fiction to define me based on your biased OPINIONS. Thanks for once AGAIN exposing your typical and standard dishonesty. NOW I am calling you a LIAR because you are and your own dishonest posts, as you once again try to attribute a belief to me that i have NEVER presented, show that to be the case. You have shown that you have a habit of doing that seeing as how you have repeated it several times in this thread.

Thanks again for your dishonesty.

Since you could not clearly identify where I was dishonest

IF you were honest I specified where you were dishonest within my posts. However, as shown above you tend to take things out of context to suit your own needs so it's obvious as to why you might have missed the instances that I spoke about.

the rest of your post is nothing but more of your usual baseless attacks as you try to shift the blame onto me rather than you inability to read things and leave them in context as you ignore what doesn't suit your spin and only focus on what you think you can spin.

For instance,

You never attempt to discuss an issue with me. You always resort to attacking your opponent. I'm more than willing to discuss an issue that I know little about because that is how I learn, but you are not interested in having discussions. You only seem to want to prove that you can be a jackass. And that you do very well.

and yet while I was responding to your baseless attacks I was still discussing topics of the thread. An example of that would be my response to jeffrockit which was on topic. however, since as usual you tend to ignore the FACTS that run counter to your spin, my guess is that you missed it.

In the end all you have done is shown that you are exactly what you are attempting to call me. You attacked me becuase ui dared to disagree with you, you ignored the parts of my posts that didn't suit your spin. You last sentence describes you perfectly

And by the way, I'm sure you will just ignore about 90% of this post as you typically do and you will make up more bullshit about me, but then that is just the way you are.

especially since you are the one that made shite up about me and ignored what I actually said all so you could attack and try to discredit me based on your works of fiction.

 

[jeffrockit]

The competition arises when you have a business in the game that can drive costs down by offering the same product for less.

and here come the talking points. across state lines is the end all and be all talking point answer and is not REAL competition.

Then to end it all you come with the scare tactics. How typical.

Tell me again how it is competition when 1 business does not have to make a profit. They can then drive costs below any profit margin for a real business that has to make money.

Rather than debate, you claim "talking points". Try to use logic instead of being blinded by partisan hatred. Most states only have a few insurance companies so they can keep costs up because there's not much competition. If you access insurance companies from all the states then there would absolutely be competition.

Again, rather than debate, you chose to use another liberal tactic and claim "scare tactics", when in fact this is reality. The scare tactics come from the left where we were told if we did not pass the healthcare bill, cost's would increase. Now we find out from the CBO after the fact, that costs will rise under this new great plan that has passed.
Report says health care will cover more, cost more - Yahoo! News

If you have no counter to my points, you are really not debating, but when you use terms like "talking points" and "scare tactics", I expect that.

 

[drsmith1072]

Tell me again how it is competition when 1 business does not have to make a profit. They can then drive costs below any profit margin for a real business that has to make money.

Rather than debate, you claim "talking points". Try to use logic instead of being blinded by partisan hatred. Most states only have a few insurance companies so they can keep costs up because there's not much competition. If you access insurance companies from all the states then there would absolutely be competition.

Again, rather than debate, you chose to use another liberal tactic and claim "scare tactics", when in fact this is reality. The scare tactics come from the left where we were told if we did not pass the healthcare bill, cost's would increase. Now we find out from the CBO after the fact, that costs will rise under this new great plan that has passed.
Report says health care will cover more, cost more - Yahoo! News

If you have no counter to my points, you are really not debating, but when you use terms like "talking points" and "scare tactics", I expect that.

SO your entire assumption is that a public option will CHOOSE to "drive costs below any profit margin for a real business that has to make money." and yet that is an assumption that you can't substantite. I have already explained competition for you, if you choose to ignore what I have said that is NOT my problem.

And YES "across state lines" IS a righty talking point that has already been debated over and over and that is not feasible in reality based on that varying standards and regulations from state to state. The funny thing is that you admit that even now there are a few insurance companies in most states and yet despite that competition, costs are still going up. So how can you HONESTLY claim that opening it up to more subsidiares of the major insurance companies that are merely in different states will increase competition??

and this,

The govt is going to regulate and mandate these HC companies into bankruptcy and then claim that they were given a chance to do the right thing but now they (govt) will have to step in and save everyone from these failing companies.

is NOT reality. That is YOUR own unsubstantiated OPINION based scare tactics and nothing more.

As for costs of the bill, it is not the bill I supported to begin with and is not what obama originally wanted. However, due to moderate democrats and filibustering "party of no" republicans, it is what we ended up with and I am not completely satisfied with it. Yes according to the article spending will go up a whopping 1 percent over ten years. Oh and BTW according to your own article that is NOT a CBO estimate but an estimate from "Economic experts at the Health and Human Services Department." Did you even read your own article??

If you have no valid points other than parroting talking points, you are really not debating, but when you use "talking points" and "scare tactics" that are based on unsubstantiated OPINIONS while claiming they are fact or reality, I expect that.

 

[GilbertArizona]

Well the money has to come from somewhere when you've got a couple of wars to pay for plus a prescription drug program, bank bail-out, a stimulous program, national healthcare, along with all the stuff left over from the 20th century. These things need to be paid for. Avoiding paying the piper is just a recipe for folks thinking we can afford even more programs.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I know this is going to come as a shock to you, but cutting taxes increases the deficit.

It may be more shocking for you to hear, but adding trillions in entitlements increases it far more.

I suppose this will shock you too, but, adding healthcare to more Americans has the potential of reducing long term health expenses (and misery) to our citizens.
Spending on the war of choice in Iraq cost us treasure and blood. The true cost of the war in Iraq will not be determined until well into the 21st Century as the cost of medical care for the tens of thousands wounded cannot be properly calculated.
Healthcare will reduce long term costs and misery, war increases long term costs and misery.

 

[jeffrockit]

SO your entire assumption is that a public option will CHOOSE to "drive costs below any profit margin for a real business that has to make money." and yet that is an assumption that you can't substantite. I have already explained competition for you, if you choose to ignore what I have said that is NOT my problem.

And YES "across state lines" IS a righty talking point that has already been debated over and over and that is not feasible in reality based on that varying standards and regulations from state to state. The funny thing is that you admit that even now there are a few insurance companies in most states and yet despite that competition, costs are still going up. So how can you HONESTLY claim that opening it up to more subsidiares of the major insurance companies that are merely in different states will increase competition??

and this,



is NOT reality. That is YOUR own unsubstantiated OPINION based scare tactics and nothing more.

As for costs of the bill, it is not the bill I supported to begin with and is not what obama originally wanted. However, due to moderate democrats and filibustering "party of no" republicans, it is what we ended up with and I am not completely satisfied with it. Yes according to the article spending will go up a whopping 1 percent over ten years. Oh and BTW according to your own article that is NOT a CBO estimate but an estimate from "Economic experts at the Health and Human Services Department." Did you even read your own article??

If you have no valid points other than parroting talking points, you are really not debating, but when you use "talking points" and "scare tactics" that are based on unsubstantiated OPINIONS while claiming they are fact or reality, I expect that.

Here comes the "its only a 1% increase" line. I guess you can't understand that Obama said the HC bill would lower costs. Any increase is not "lowering" costs, so the bottom line is Obama lied when he continued to state that the bill would lower costs. You have no argument as it is clearly an increase and clearly does not match what he stated over and over when trying to pass this horrible legislation.

As far as you explaining competition, you stated an opinion. I don't have to substantite what any one that has taken a high school economics class can understand. Liberals often try to use opinion as fact. I use logic and that dictates that unbalanced competition is not competition at all. I will not explain again how a company that has an unlimited source of funds and does not have to make a profit to survive, is not on an equal playing field with those that do. In all of your "explaining", you have been unable to debate that.

I read it. Again, libs try to marginalize the source even when it is from a govt agency. The head of HHS (an Obama appointee), stated this FACT. If you did any research at all, you would find that the CBO also stated this bill will not lower costs.

You may truly want a cradle to grave, nanny government, I do not. One just has to look at Greece to see the impact of an unbalanced entitlement society. When more people are on the Govt teat than those supplying the funds for those programs, you get Greece. Now the ones that have been living off the backs of those that contribute to society are rioting because the country has to cut costs. They realize this will mean cuts to their entitlements they have enjoyed for many years. There are some similarities in the US to Greece but just keep your head buried and maybe it won't happen to us.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

Millions face tax increases under Dems budget plan - Yahoo! News

Isn't it funny how this ALWAYS ends up being the Democrat's plan?

Well, considering Obama passed the largest middle class tax cut in history last year, you should be more grateful.

But you aren't, because you are an uninformed white trash Repug peasant ***** who does your rich Repug masters' bidding. A pathetic sucker who always votes against his best economic interest.

 

[drsmith1072]

Here comes the "its only a 1% increase" line. I guess you can't understand that Obama said the HC bill would lower costs. Any increase is not "lowering" costs, so the bottom line is Obama lied when he continued to state that the bill would lower costs. You have no argument as it is clearly an increase and clearly does not match what he stated over and over when trying to pass this horrible legislation.

As far as you explaining competition, you stated an opinion. I don't have to substantite what any one that has taken a high school economics class can understand. Liberals often try to use opinion as fact. I use logic and that dictates that unbalanced competition is not competition at all. I will not explain again how a company that has an unlimited source of funds and does not have to make a profit to survive, is not on an equal playing field with those that do. In all of your "explaining", you have been unable to debate that.

I read it. Again, libs try to marginalize the source even when it is from a govt agency. The head of HHS (an Obama appointee), stated this FACT. If you did any research at all, you would find that the CBO also stated this bill will not lower costs.

You may truly want a cradle to grave, nanny government, I do not. One just has to look at Greece to see the impact of an unbalanced entitlement society. When more people are on the Govt teat than those supplying the funds for those programs, you get Greece. Now the ones that have been living off the backs of those that contribute to society are rioting because the country has to cut costs. They realize this will mean cuts to their entitlements they have enjoyed for many years. There are some similarities in the US to Greece but just keep your head buried and maybe it won't happen to us.

what are you saying obama said?? can I get a quote with a citation please?

So you can't counter what I say but you believe that you merely presenting an opinion as fact claiming that you use logic and you actually believe that is a factually based argument??

Then you avoid everything that I actually said and instead go with your "liberals often do" argument where you make up some lame bs and try to assign it to all liberals believing that it applies to me whne you don't even adress what i actually said.

as for you reading it, it didn't seem that you did but thanks for the spin and avoidance.

Face it, I countered your spin using REAL logic and you avoided responding to the actual content of my post and instead chose to attack me.

Again thanks for the spin and avoidance however, you be sure to let me know when or if you want to respond to what I actually said.

 

[keee keee]

Millions face tax increases under Dems budget plan - Yahoo! News

Isn't it funny how this ALWAYS ends up being the Democrat's plan?

This is news. I knew this before the dems even got elected. EVERY TIME THEY GET ELECTED THEY RAISE TAXES!!!!! the last dem that lowered taxes was JFK.

 

[rdean]

You know what is really funny? The Bush tax cuts for rich people was nearly equal to the cost of both his wars.

No, no. Wait. That's not the funny part.

You see, the tax cuts to the rich was supposed to make the economy sparkle.

Only,

Get this,

we went into a recession anyway.

Now THAT'S funny!

 

[jeffrockit]

what are you saying obama said?? can I get a quote with a citation please?

So you can't counter what I say but you believe that you merely presenting an opinion as fact claiming that you use logic and you actually believe that is a factually based argument??

Then you avoid everything that I actually said and instead go with your "liberals often do" argument where you make up some lame bs and try to assign it to all liberals believing that it applies to me whne you don't even adress what i actually said.

as for you reading it, it didn't seem that you did but thanks for the spin and avoidance.

Face it, I countered your spin using REAL logic and you avoided responding to the actual content of my post and instead chose to attack me.

Again thanks for the spin and avoidance however, you be sure to let me know when or if you want to respond to what I actually said.

Bye now.

 

[drsmith1072]

Bye now.

WOW imagine that. you are merely asked to focus on what i actually said instead of what you tried to attribute to me and you run away.

How typical.

 

[drsmith1072]

Millions face tax increases under Dems budget plan - Yahoo! News

Isn't it funny how this ALWAYS ends up being the Democrat's plan?

This is news. I knew this before the dems even got elected. EVERY TIME THEY GET ELECTED THEY RAISE TAXES!!!!! the last dem that lowered taxes was JFK.

and yet IF you had read the article, the increase that everyone is so upset about will only occur in 2012 IF congress doesn't address the AMT which they have done every year. So there is no realistic reason to assume that they won't update it this year and based on that there is no realistic reason to assume that taxes will go up based on the AMT.

 

[Polk]

Millions face tax increases under Dems budget plan - Yahoo! News

Isn't it funny how this ALWAYS ends up being the Democrat's plan?

This is news. I knew this before the dems even got elected. EVERY TIME THEY GET ELECTED THEY RAISE TAXES!!!!! the last dem that lowered taxes was JFK.

Two (Carter, Obama) of the last three Democrats elected have cut taxes. For that matter, two (Reagan, H.W. Bush) of the last three Republicans raised taxes. So where are we going with this?