Military Aid to Israel

[AzogtheDefiler]

Educate yourself surada

 

[Rigby5]

No. It is paid by Israel to the US for those weapons. Can you not read?

Not really.
The US gives lucrative contracts to Israel in order to make those expensive weapons systems, so it is actually a shell game, and Israel pays nothing.
We also give them huge interest free loans, which they invest to make huge but hidden profits.
That is in addition to billions each year in straight foreign aid gifts.

{...
To date, the United States has provided Israel $146 billion (current, or noninflation-adjusted, dollars) in bilateral assistance and missile defense funding. At present, almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance, although from 1971 to 2007, Israel also received significant economic assistance.
...}

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

 

[Rigby5]

Educate yourself

Sorry but you have it backwards.
Zionism is anti-Judaism.
Zionism is to repudiate the 2000 years of atonement for the sins of arrogance and pride.
Zionism is to murder and steal.
No Jew can possibly support Zionism in its present context.

And Zionism is not even very smart, because Judaism would be a lot safer if distributed in many places instead of one single place with a big bullseye on its back.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Sorry but you have it backwards.
Zionism is anti-Judaism.
Zionism is to repudiate the 2000 years of atonement for the sins of arrogance and pride.
Zionism is to murder and steal.
No Jew can possibly support Zionism in its present context.

And Zionism is not even very smart, because Judaism would be a lot safer if distributed in many places instead of one single place with a big bullseye on its back.

I support it in its present context. Ha!

 

[Lesh]

Educate yourself

No...it is not.

Many Israeli Jews are anti-Zionists. They're not Anti-Semitic

Zionists are expansionist thieves. They think they have the right to all the land currently being LIVED on by millions of Palestinians

 

[john doe 101]

Educate yourself

Wrong. If they were the same thing, why have two different phrases?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

No...it is not.

Many Israeli Jews are anti-Zionists. They're not Anti-Semitic

Zionists are expansionist thieves. They think they have the right to all the land currently being LIVED on by millions of Palestinians

Many or very few?

 

[Lesh]

Many or very few?

Regardless of your opinion as to what is a significant number...are they anti-Semitic?

Of course not

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Regardless of your opinion as to what is a significant number...are they anti-Semitic?

Of course not

Many or very few? If it were many then there would be no more Israel. You’re definitely an antisemite.

 

[Lesh]

Many or very few? If it were many then there would be no more Israel. You’re definitely an antisemite.

Non responsive

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Non responsive

OK Herr Lesh

 

[LaDairis]

What did Einstein say?

Oh, yeah, this...


Einstein Letter Warning Of
Zionist Fascism In Israel
Letter That Albert Einstein Sent to the New York Times
1948, Protesting the Visit of Menachem Begin
11-1-4

Letters to the EditorNew York TimesDecember 4, 1948 TO THE EDITORS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES: Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine. The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughoutthe world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin's political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents. Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begin's behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement. The public avowals of Begin's party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future. Attack on Arab Village A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants ? 240men, women, and children - and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin. The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party. Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model. During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute. The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots. Discrepancies Seen The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a "Leader State" is the goal. In the light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the truth about Mr. Begin and his movement be made known in this country. It is all the more tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has refused to campaign against Begin's efforts, or even to expose to its own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin. The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism. ISIDORE ABRAMOWITZHANNAH ARENDTABRAHAM BRICKRABBI JESSURUN CARDOZOALBERT EINSTEINHERMAN EISEN, M.D.HAYIM FINEMANM. GALLEN, M.D.H.H. HARRISZELIG S. HARRISSIDNEY HOOKFRED KARUSHBRURIA KAUFMANIRMA L. LINDHEIMNACHMAN MAISELSEYMOUR MELMANMYER D. MENDELSONM.D., HARRY M. OSLINSKYSAMUEL PITLICKFRITZ ROHRLICHLOUIS P. ROCKERRUTH SAGISITZHAK SANKOWSKYI.J. SHOENBERGSAMUEL SHUMANM. SINGERIRMA WOLFESTEFAN WOLF. New York, Dec. 2, 1948

 

[Rigby5]

I support it in its present context. Ha!

I can't say I was not tempted.
They not only offered me a good job and free home, but the idea of living a cultural identity was extremely appealing.
It probably was not until I read how repulsed Albert Einstein was by the Dier Yassin massacre, that I had to give Israel the thumbs down.
It is not Jewish in any context I can recognize, but instead something like a barbaric Hebrew cult.

 

[Desperado]

Let Israel pay for their own weapons. They do not need our money.
If they can buy our politicians they can pay for their own defense.