Mike Huckabee Wants People To Be Forced to Listen To David Barton At Gunpoint

[DudleySmith]

The Founders idea's of "separation" have little backing by either side. The Founders understood that religion would play a role but they never intended that religion to be one religion.

The Founders had zero problem with the individual states having established Christian sects. You'll just have to get over it.

 

[DudleySmith]

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I repeat Barton is a nut as well as Glen Beck. They are both lunatics. Beck when crazy on fox news.

You repeat yourself in every post; what's new about this one?

 

[pknopp]

The Founders had zero problem with the individual states having established Christian sects. You'll just have to get over it.

They didn't. But they didn't say that it had to be one in particular and that also ended with the 14th Amendment. You'll just have to get over it.

 

[surada]

The Founders had zero problem with the individual states having established Christian sects. You'll just have to get over it.

There were many conflicts within states like the Quakers against the Hugenots or Dutch Reformed etc.

 

[bodecea]

The Founders had zero problem with the individual states having established Christian sects. You'll just have to get over it.

Oh really? Got an example of an individual state having established a christian sect?

 

[pknopp]

Oh really? Got an example of an individual state having established a christian sect?

That's where the entire "separation" argument comes from. Now it wasn't specific to a "state" Jefferson was saying that the Federal government was restricted from interfering in states rights.

Now a state could have likely enacted restrictions but barring them there were no restrictions on official religions except at the Federal level.

As I noted above, the 14th changed that.

 

[bodecea]

That's where the entire "separation" argument comes from. Now it wasn't specific to a "state" Jefferson was saying that the Federal government was restricted from interfering in states rights.

Now a state could have likely enacted restrictions but barring them there were no restrictions on official religions except at the Federal level.

As I noted above, the 14th changed that.

States had to match up with the U.S. Constitution.....so no state religion. Period.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Got an example of an individual state having established a christian sect?

Interesting how the term "established" with reference to religion turns out to be more about sucking from the public teat than ensuring the biggest flock of lemmings.

the prophet commanded that "kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers." The responsibilities of the state were understood in an early work like Bishop John Jewel's Apologie of the Church of England (1562) to be comprehensive, including imposing the church's doctrine on society. The term "nursing father" was used in all American colonies with established churches. It appeared in the Cambridge Platform of 1648, the "creed" of New England Congregationalism; in numerous Anglican writings; and in the Presbyterian Westminster Confession. By the time of the American Revolution, the state was no longer expected to maintain religious uniformity in its jurisdiction, but it was expected to use its resources for the churches' benefit.

The Dunking of David Barrow and Edward Mintz in the Nansemond River, 1778. Oil on canvas by Sidney King, 1990. Virginia Baptist Historical Society (141)

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The Founders idea's of "separation" have little backing by either side. The Founders understood that religion would play a role but they never intended that religion to be one religion.

First Amendment case law has codified the Framers’ intent – the religious right’s agenda is hostile and contrary to that intent.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

A prolific propagandist, Barton has long promoted the canard that our Founding Fathers never intended the separation of church and state but rather sought to construct a Christian nation.

And this lie is central to the religious right’s agenda hostile to the privacy rights of women, the equal protection rights of gay and transgender Americans, and the First Amendment rights of religious minorities.

 

[pknopp]

States had to match up with the U.S. Constitution.....so no state religion. Period.

Not until the 14th Amendment they didn't.

 

[surada]

And this lie is central to the religious right’s agenda hostile to the privacy rights of women, the equal protection rights of gay and transgender Americans, and the First Amendment rights of religious minorities.

They need to read contemporaneous accounts. There was a lot of conflict between Christian sects in the colonies.. particularly early on. They would NOT do business with one another.

 

[pknopp]

First Amendment case law has codified the Framers’ intent – the religious right’s agenda is hostile and contrary to that intent.

In many cases I would not disagree.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The Founders had zero problem with the individual states having established Christian sects. You'll just have to get over it.

The Framers’ has a problem with religious tests, government establishment of religion, and government hostile to religious minorities.

 

[badbob85037]

Dave Barton is a lunatic , just as nutty as Glen Beck is.

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Is he as much of a lunatic as someone giving $89 billion in weapons to terrorist or how bout to give those terrorist a list making gathering and killing their victims easier. Or someone who craps himself.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

They need to read contemporaneous accounts. There was a lot of conflict between Christian sects in the colonies.. particularly early on. They would NOT do business with one another.

Fortunately, again, we have the benefit of First Amendment case law, prohibiting the undue entanglement of government and religion, and prohibiting government from disadvantaging religious minorities and those free from religion.

 

[DrLove]

Did Davey Huck stop torturing and killing dogs and trying to take guns aboard commercial aircraft?

Sarah Huckabee Sanders' Brother Hanged a Dog at Camp

One of your neighbors posted in Politics & Government. Click through to read what they have to say. (The views expressed in this post are the author’s own.)

patch.com

This is what the Guns, Grits n Gravy did to an entire family.

 

[surada]

Is he as much of a lunatic as someone giving $89 billion in weapons to terrorist or how bout to give those terrorist a list making gathering and killing their victims easier. Or someone who craps himself.

The US has supplied arms to every faction in Afghanistan since 1979 to include the warlords, Al Qaeda, the Taliban, the Afghan Mafia, the Afghan Security forces..

Its time to go home.

 

[surada]

Did Davey Huck stop torturing and killing dogs and trying to take guns aboard commercial aircraft?

Sarah Huckabee Sanders' Brother Hanged a Dog at Camp

One of your neighbors posted in Politics & Government. Click through to read what they have to say. (The views expressed in this post are the author’s own.)

patch.com

This is what the Guns. Grits and Gravy did to an entire family.

Wow.. They are huge.

 

[DrLove]

Why do secular liberals pretend they have no sense of comprehension and walk around as if they have a stick up their keyster? Its an analogy......its not to be taken literally as is clear because the "republic" of the United States is not ruled by a king.....its a comparative message in establishing the documented fact that United States was founded upon the principles established based upon Blackstone's Commentaries on Law.........which in turn deeply referenced the Holy Scriptures.
What is being pointed out is that the U.S. based its entire 3 tier separation of power upon the principles established in the Holy Scriptures. And within the Holy Scriptures the principle of mandating a high office in the nation of Israel......the candidate for such a position must come from within the brotherhood as is clearly reflected is our U.S. Constitutional language in relation to the office of POTUS.

When the TRUTH is attempted to be made into a lie..........just where does the FASCISM LIE? In the truth or the one attempting to alter that truth with a clear message, "Any means to an end.........."

And no, Mr. Trump did not lose the election..........he lost to a political machine with a printing press that printed mail in ballots that were delivered on cue......to the locations necessary to win the electoral college, in the wee hours of the morning, all in unison.

This is typical of all fascists..........they attempt to charge others with the crimes they are committing. And they are now reaping the rewards of placing (not elected but placed) an incompetent buffoon into high office. Welcome to a 30-40% rise in the cost of energy, thousands of US lives lost in the Afghan war, the corporate takeover of US Government, special interest power.......corruption........food hyper inflation, shortages of vital manufacturing infrastructures......the world thinks the US has went Bat Crap crazy. And they could have a point. Welcome to the Banana Republic of the U.S.

Oh excellent - USMB has attracted yet another Loony Bird