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No idea. And that is only for really really orthodox groups, and those usually don't accept converts.
MI makes female genital mutilation a 15 yr felony. Circumcision still legal
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No idea. And that is only for really really orthodox groups, and those usually don't accept converts.
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I doubt that little bit of foreskin has as much to do with sexual pleasure as a labia does.
Again, I have no complaints.
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Really? i've read that circumcised penises are easier to keep clean, and there is less of a chance of STD transmission.
Hey, tell us why these indigenous Native Americans of Colombia and Panama do it....
--- or why is it done in Zimbabwe? Or among Coptic Christians?
Find me anywhere it's brought up in the Bible. OR the Quran.
It's also not in the Koran that you should blow little girls up at a concert. So what? Muslims are doing these things. No one does it more than them.
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One day male genital mutilation will be banned as well. Its barbaric and disgusting and violent. We only have 1 son but he was not mutilated and at 8.5 years old has NEVER had any issues with the decision. We got bullshit from my mother and grandmother but it was all noise....glad we made that decision,I remember sitting in the room after our last child was born and hearing a newborn next door being mutilated and it was absolutely awful.
I meant circumcised is healthier. Thanks.
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Detroit emergency room physician Jumana Nagarwala, 44, was arrested April 12 and is currently in jail awaiting trial after a federal judge deemed her a flight risk and a threat to the community.
The three defendants belong to a "religious and cultural community" that investigators allege practices female genital mutilation on young girls -- a painful surgical procedure to remove part of the clitoris or clitoral hood to suppress female sexuality.
During a court hearing April 17, Nagarwala's defense attorney, Shannon Smith, told a judge the procedure did not involve cutting and was religious in nature, CNN affiliate WXYZ reported.
Smith argued the procedure is practiced by the Dawoodi Bohra, an Islamic sect based in India, and that the clinic was used to keep procedures sterile, WXYZ reported.
The Detroit Free Press reported from the hearing that Smith said her client removed membrane from the girls' genital area using a "scraper" as part of a religious practice. The girls' parents would then bury the membrane in the ground in accordance with their religious custom, Smith said, according to the Free Press account.
Michigan doctors charged in genital mutilation case - CNN.com
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Ah.
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Why ban it? It's harmless. If you don't want to do it to your kids, don't do it.
If I have a son, he's getting snipped.
SNL script, 1977 (video can't be found):
Spokesman: Introducing the 1978 Royal Deluxe II. A luxury name and a luxury ride at a middle-range price? Impossible? We've come to Temple Beth Shalom in Little Neck, New York, and asked Rabbi Mayer Taklas to circumcise 8-day-old Benjamin Kanter while riding in the back seat of the elegant Royal Deluxe II.
Performing circumcision is demanding. It requires a sure hand and a steady cutting surface. [ the car takes off ] To show you that our ride is the finest, sweetest in the world, we've deliberately picked this road because of its rough, uneven surface. This was an actual demonstration. Speed: 40 MPH.
The stylish Royal Deluxe II rides smooth because we built it right! [ the car drives over potholes ] Unique hydrodine suspension system, rack and pinion steering to ensure outstanding durability and control. And every new stylish Royal Deluxe II offers, as standard equipment, power front disc brakes.
[ a toy ball bounces into the street, as the car brakes sharply and we hear the baby cry after the Rabbi makes his final snip ]
Rabbi: Poifect!
Spokesman: You may never have to perform a circumcision in the Royal Deluxe II, but if you do, we're sure you'll agree with Rabbi Taklas..
Rabbi: That's a beautiful baby.. and a beautiful car!
Announcer: Royal Deluxe II. A beautiful car.
Hey, tell us why these indigenous Native Americans of Colombia and Panama do it....
--- or why is it done in Zimbabwe? Or among Coptic Christians?
Find me anywhere it's brought up in the Bible. OR the Quran.
It's also not in the Koran that you should blow little girls up at a concert. So what? Muslims are doing these things. No one does it more than them.
Correct, it isn't. Nor is it in the Bible, and yet the IRA did it for decades.
Again, which tells us........... nothing.
When you finally take your Anthropology course be sure to ask for evidence of any people anywhere whose entire life, every act, is dicated by religion, where cultural tradition and politics has no influence. Then let us know here.
Oh and while you're at it take a course in logic and ask them about Association Fallacy.
Dumbass.
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In 2010, only 58% were being circumcised.
To your question of "sucking circumcision", making it sound like they bite the foreskin off, if reprehensible. It is carried out the same way as a hospital circumcision. The rabbi just removes the blood after, by cleaning by sucking it. Have there been a few that have resulted in issues? Yes, but very few. And many places are now putting in place policies to help avoid that minuscule few cases. An example-
While New York City wrestles with the issue, suburban Rockland County — itself home to thousands of Orthodox Jews — seems to have found a solution.
For any suspected case after circumcision, county health officials use DNA testing to try to link a baby with the source of infection. And members of the Jewish community participate voluntarily in the process, working with Dr. Oscar Alleyne, Rockland's director of epidemiology.
No positive cases have been found there.
"That proves that they trust us," Alleyne said. "We have cooperation, along with a scientific approach."
NYC, Orthodox Jews in talks over ritual after herpes cases
Would I have my children circumcised outside a hospital? No. If I were Orthodox Jew, probably.
To your question of "sucking circumcision", making it sound like they bite the foreskin off, if reprehensible. It is carried out the same way as a hospital circumcision. The rabbi just removes the blood after, by cleaning by sucking it. Have there been a few that have resulted in issues? Yes, but very few. And many places are now putting in place policies to help avoid that minuscule few cases. An example-
While New York City wrestles with the issue, suburban Rockland County — itself home to thousands of Orthodox Jews — seems to have found a solution.
For any suspected case after circumcision, county health officials use DNA testing to try to link a baby with the source of infection. And members of the Jewish community participate voluntarily in the process, working with Dr. Oscar Alleyne, Rockland's director of epidemiology.
No positive cases have been found there.
"That proves that they trust us," Alleyne said. "We have cooperation, along with a scientific approach."
NYC, Orthodox Jews in talks over ritual after herpes cases
Would I have my children circumcised outside a hospital? No. If I were Orthodox Jew, probably.
Detroit emergency room physician Jumana Nagarwala, 44, was arrested April 12 and is currently in jail awaiting trial after a federal judge deemed her a flight risk and a threat to the community.
The three defendants belong to a "religious and cultural community" that investigators allege practices female genital mutilation on young girls -- a painful surgical procedure to remove part of the clitoris or clitoral hood to suppress female sexuality.
During a court hearing April 17, Nagarwala's defense attorney, Shannon Smith, told a judge the procedure did not involve cutting and was religious in nature, CNN affiliate WXYZ reported.
Smith argued the procedure is practiced by the Dawoodi Bohra, an Islamic sect based in India, and that the clinic was used to keep procedures sterile, WXYZ reported.
The Detroit Free Press reported from the hearing that Smith said her client removed membrane from the girls' genital area using a "scraper" as part of a religious practice. The girls' parents would then bury the membrane in the ground in accordance with their religious custom, Smith said, according to the Free Press account.
Michigan doctors charged in genital mutilation case - CNN.com
Hey, anybody can claim "religious ritual" to try to get off the hook. Doesn't make it magically retroactively appear in the history books.
Again, consider the source. This is the same argument that tries to say "Hitler was a socialist because that was the name of the party and Hitler would never lie".
>> . The practice predates Christianity and Islam... The accounts of historian Pietro Bembo, posthumously published in 1550, reported that most likely FC originated in Egypt and the Nile valley, then spread out to the Red Sea coastal tribes with Arab traders, and then spread into eastern Sudan”.
[4a]
Islam Watch, in an article dated 6 July 2007, reported: ”As a cultural practice, FGM has probably been in existence for thousands of years.
... Addressing the Islamic religious perspectives, a report of a conference, held in June 2006, ‘Female Genital Mutilation religious and legal perspectives’, published by Womankind stated: ”Islam participants argue forcefully that there is no justification for FGM in any Islamic texts or teachings. First, they mphasised that the practice is not even referred to in the Koran. It is referred to in one of the hadiths; however, as authoritative participants made clear, this hadith has been found to be weak and inauthentic” [34b]
The report continued: ”Secondly, participants noted that the key tenets of Muslim obligation are clearly asserted in the Koran and hadiths... Yet FGM is not even mentioned. Nor can FGM be justified on the basis of following the Prophet’s example; it is not stated that any of the Prophet’s wives and daughters had undergone the procedure”. [34b]
Then addressing Christian religious perspectives, the report continued: This Country of Origin Information Report contains the most up-to-date publicly available information as at 20 June 20085
Older source material has been included where it contains relevant information not available in more recent documents.
”Christian (Coptic) religious leaders also emphasised to the conference that there is no justification for FGM in Christian teachings; indeed, it is not even referred to in the Bible. The procedure is not undertaken as part of a religious ceremony, and no religious leader is present when it is performed. [34b]
The WHO, in its Key Facts paper of May 2008, noted: ”Local structures of power and authority, such as community leaders, religious leaders, circumcisers, and even some medical personnel can contribute to
upholding the practice. In most societies, FGM is considered a cultural tradition, which is often used as an argument for its continuation.--- FGM - UK Border Agency <<
[4a]
Islam Watch, in an article dated 6 July 2007, reported: ”As a cultural practice, FGM has probably been in existence for thousands of years.
... Addressing the Islamic religious perspectives, a report of a conference, held in June 2006, ‘Female Genital Mutilation religious and legal perspectives’, published by Womankind stated: ”Islam participants argue forcefully that there is no justification for FGM in any Islamic texts or teachings. First, they mphasised that the practice is not even referred to in the Koran. It is referred to in one of the hadiths; however, as authoritative participants made clear, this hadith has been found to be weak and inauthentic” [34b]
The report continued: ”Secondly, participants noted that the key tenets of Muslim obligation are clearly asserted in the Koran and hadiths... Yet FGM is not even mentioned. Nor can FGM be justified on the basis of following the Prophet’s example; it is not stated that any of the Prophet’s wives and daughters had undergone the procedure”. [34b]
Then addressing Christian religious perspectives, the report continued: This Country of Origin Information Report contains the most up-to-date publicly available information as at 20 June 20085
Older source material has been included where it contains relevant information not available in more recent documents.
”Christian (Coptic) religious leaders also emphasised to the conference that there is no justification for FGM in Christian teachings; indeed, it is not even referred to in the Bible. The procedure is not undertaken as part of a religious ceremony, and no religious leader is present when it is performed. [34b]
The WHO, in its Key Facts paper of May 2008, noted: ”Local structures of power and authority, such as community leaders, religious leaders, circumcisers, and even some medical personnel can contribute to
upholding the practice. In most societies, FGM is considered a cultural tradition, which is often used as an argument for its continuation.--- FGM - UK Border Agency <<
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That's all very interesting. The fact remains that the people involved in the recent Michigan female genital mutilation incidents were Muslim.
Detroit emergency room physician Jumana Nagarwala, 44, was arrested April 12 and is currently in jail awaiting trial after a federal judge deemed her a flight risk and a threat to the community.
The three defendants belong to a "religious and cultural community" that investigators allege practices female genital mutilation on young girls -- a painful surgical procedure to remove part of the clitoris or clitoral hood to suppress female sexuality.
During a court hearing April 17, Nagarwala's defense attorney, Shannon Smith, told a judge the procedure did not involve cutting and was religious in nature, CNN affiliate WXYZ reported.
Smith argued the procedure is practiced by the Dawoodi Bohra, an Islamic sect based in India, and that the clinic was used to keep procedures sterile, WXYZ reported.
The Detroit Free Press reported from the hearing that Smith said her client removed membrane from the girls' genital area using a "scraper" as part of a religious practice. The girls' parents would then bury the membrane in the ground in accordance with their religious custom, Smith said, according to the Free Press account.
Michigan doctors charged in genital mutilation case - CNN.com
Hey, anybody can claim "religious ritual" to try to get off the hook. Doesn't make it magically retroactively appear in the history books.
Again, consider the source. This is the same argument that tries to say "Hitler was a socialist because that was the name of the party and Hitler would never lie".
>> . The practice predates Christianity and Islam... The accounts of historian Pietro Bembo, posthumously published in 1550, reported that most likely FC originated in Egypt and the Nile valley, then spread out to the Red Sea coastal tribes with Arab traders, and then spread into eastern Sudan”.
[4a]
Islam Watch, in an article dated 6 July 2007, reported: ”As a cultural practice, FGM has probably been in existence for thousands of years.
... Addressing the Islamic religious perspectives, a report of a conference, held in June 2006, ‘Female Genital Mutilation religious and legal perspectives’, published by Womankind stated: ”Islam participants argue forcefully that there is no justification for FGM in any Islamic texts or teachings. First, they mphasised that the practice is not even referred to in the Koran. It is referred to in one of the hadiths; however, as authoritative participants made clear, this hadith has been found to be weak and inauthentic” [34b]
The report continued: ”Secondly, participants noted that the key tenets of Muslim obligation are clearly asserted in the Koran and hadiths... Yet FGM is not even mentioned. Nor can FGM be justified on the basis of following the Prophet’s example; it is not stated that any of the Prophet’s wives and daughters had undergone the procedure”. [34b]
Then addressing Christian religious perspectives, the report continued: This Country of Origin Information Report contains the most up-to-date publicly available information as at 20 June 20085
Older source material has been included where it contains relevant information not available in more recent documents.
”Christian (Coptic) religious leaders also emphasised to the conference that there is no justification for FGM in Christian teachings; indeed, it is not even referred to in the Bible. The procedure is not undertaken as part of a religious ceremony, and no religious leader is present when it is performed. [34b]
The WHO, in its Key Facts paper of May 2008, noted: ”Local structures of power and authority, such as community leaders, religious leaders, circumcisers, and even some medical personnel can contribute to
upholding the practice. In most societies, FGM is considered a cultural tradition, which is often used as an argument for its continuation.--- FGM - UK Border Agency <<
That's all very interesting. The fact remains that the people involved in the Michigan female genital mutilation incidents were Muslim.
Detroit emergency room physician Jumana Nagarwala, 44, was arrested April 12 and is currently in jail awaiting trial after a federal judge deemed her a flight risk and a threat to the community.
The three defendants belong to a "religious and cultural community" that investigators allege practices female genital mutilation on young girls -- a painful surgical procedure to remove part of the clitoris or clitoral hood to suppress female sexuality.
During a court hearing April 17, Nagarwala's defense attorney, Shannon Smith, told a judge the procedure did not involve cutting and was religious in nature, CNN affiliate WXYZ reported.
Smith argued the procedure is practiced by the Dawoodi Bohra, an Islamic sect based in India, and that the clinic was used to keep procedures sterile, WXYZ reported.
The Detroit Free Press reported from the hearing that Smith said her client removed membrane from the girls' genital area using a "scraper" as part of a religious practice. The girls' parents would then bury the membrane in the ground in accordance with their religious custom, Smith said, according to the Free Press account.
Michigan doctors charged in genital mutilation case - CNN.com
Hey, anybody can claim "religious ritual" to try to get off the hook. Doesn't make it magically retroactively appear in the history books.
Again, consider the source. This is the same argument that tries to say "Hitler was a socialist because that was the name of the party and Hitler would never lie".
>> . The practice predates Christianity and Islam... The accounts of historian Pietro Bembo, posthumously published in 1550, reported that most likely FC originated in Egypt and the Nile valley, then spread out to the Red Sea coastal tribes with Arab traders, and then spread into eastern Sudan”.
[4a]
Islam Watch, in an article dated 6 July 2007, reported: ”As a cultural practice, FGM has probably been in existence for thousands of years.
... Addressing the Islamic religious perspectives, a report of a conference, held in June 2006, ‘Female Genital Mutilation religious and legal perspectives’, published by Womankind stated: ”Islam participants argue forcefully that there is no justification for FGM in any Islamic texts or teachings. First, they mphasised that the practice is not even referred to in the Koran. It is referred to in one of the hadiths; however, as authoritative participants made clear, this hadith has been found to be weak and inauthentic” [34b]
The report continued: ”Secondly, participants noted that the key tenets of Muslim obligation are clearly asserted in the Koran and hadiths... Yet FGM is not even mentioned. Nor can FGM be justified on the basis of following the Prophet’s example; it is not stated that any of the Prophet’s wives and daughters had undergone the procedure”. [34b]
Then addressing Christian religious perspectives, the report continued: This Country of Origin Information Report contains the most up-to-date publicly available information as at 20 June 20085
Older source material has been included where it contains relevant information not available in more recent documents.
”Christian (Coptic) religious leaders also emphasised to the conference that there is no justification for FGM in Christian teachings; indeed, it is not even referred to in the Bible. The procedure is not undertaken as part of a religious ceremony, and no religious leader is present when it is performed. [34b]
The WHO, in its Key Facts paper of May 2008, noted: ”Local structures of power and authority, such as community leaders, religious leaders, circumcisers, and even some medical personnel can contribute to
upholding the practice. In most societies, FGM is considered a cultural tradition, which is often used as an argument for its continuation.--- FGM - UK Border Agency <<
But you didn't stop to ask "from where" now did you.
Again, take that same Anthro course I sent Rocko to and tell us where there exists a people whose every act is dictated by religion --- and not by culutre, by geopolitics, by economics, etc.
Or just look up what "Association Fallacy" means.
Hey, the IRA were Catholics. The Klan were Protestants. What shall we conclude there by way of causation?
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What are you ranting about?! Where did I say all Muslims mutilate little girls?! The Michigan case details are that the perps are Muslims and they, by their own admission, were practicing a religious and cultural tradition in "shaving" little girl's labias. You can spout your association fallacy line all you want. You are denying reality .That's all very interesting. The fact remains that the people involved in the Michigan female genital mutilation incidents were Muslim.
Detroit emergency room physician Jumana Nagarwala, 44, was arrested April 12 and is currently in jail awaiting trial after a federal judge deemed her a flight risk and a threat to the community.
The three defendants belong to a "religious and cultural community" that investigators allege practices female genital mutilation on young girls -- a painful surgical procedure to remove part of the clitoris or clitoral hood to suppress female sexuality.
During a court hearing April 17, Nagarwala's defense attorney, Shannon Smith, told a judge the procedure did not involve cutting and was religious in nature, CNN affiliate WXYZ reported.
Smith argued the procedure is practiced by the Dawoodi Bohra, an Islamic sect based in India, and that the clinic was used to keep procedures sterile, WXYZ reported.
The Detroit Free Press reported from the hearing that Smith said her client removed membrane from the girls' genital area using a "scraper" as part of a religious practice. The girls' parents would then bury the membrane in the ground in accordance with their religious custom, Smith said, according to the Free Press account.
Michigan doctors charged in genital mutilation case - CNN.com
Hey, anybody can claim "religious ritual" to try to get off the hook. Doesn't make it magically retroactively appear in the history books.
Again, consider the source. This is the same argument that tries to say "Hitler was a socialist because that was the name of the party and Hitler would never lie".
>> . The practice predates Christianity and Islam... The accounts of historian Pietro Bembo, posthumously published in 1550, reported that most likely FC originated in Egypt and the Nile valley, then spread out to the Red Sea coastal tribes with Arab traders, and then spread into eastern Sudan”.
[4a]
Islam Watch, in an article dated 6 July 2007, reported: ”As a cultural practice, FGM has probably been in existence for thousands of years.
... Addressing the Islamic religious perspectives, a report of a conference, held in June 2006, ‘Female Genital Mutilation religious and legal perspectives’, published by Womankind stated: ”Islam participants argue forcefully that there is no justification for FGM in any Islamic texts or teachings. First, they mphasised that the practice is not even referred to in the Koran. It is referred to in one of the hadiths; however, as authoritative participants made clear, this hadith has been found to be weak and inauthentic” [34b]
The report continued: ”Secondly, participants noted that the key tenets of Muslim obligation are clearly asserted in the Koran and hadiths... Yet FGM is not even mentioned. Nor can FGM be justified on the basis of following the Prophet’s example; it is not stated that any of the Prophet’s wives and daughters had undergone the procedure”. [34b]
Then addressing Christian religious perspectives, the report continued: This Country of Origin Information Report contains the most up-to-date publicly available information as at 20 June 20085
Older source material has been included where it contains relevant information not available in more recent documents.
”Christian (Coptic) religious leaders also emphasised to the conference that there is no justification for FGM in Christian teachings; indeed, it is not even referred to in the Bible. The procedure is not undertaken as part of a religious ceremony, and no religious leader is present when it is performed. [34b]
The WHO, in its Key Facts paper of May 2008, noted: ”Local structures of power and authority, such as community leaders, religious leaders, circumcisers, and even some medical personnel can contribute to
upholding the practice. In most societies, FGM is considered a cultural tradition, which is often used as an argument for its continuation.--- FGM - UK Border Agency <<
But you didn't stop to ask "from where" now did you.
Again, take that same Anthro course I sent Rocko to and tell us where there exists a people whose every act is dictated by religion --- and not by culutre, by geopolitics, by economics, etc.
Or just look up what "Association Fallacy" means.
Hey, the IRA were Catholics. The Klan were Protestants. What shall we conclude there by way of causation?
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depotoo
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Who cares what religion, or otherwise, or where, female genital mutilation is wrong. It has no health benefits such as circumcision does.
That's all very interesting. The fact remains that the people involved in the Michigan female genital mutilation incidents were Muslim.
Detroit emergency room physician Jumana Nagarwala, 44, was arrested April 12 and is currently in jail awaiting trial after a federal judge deemed her a flight risk and a threat to the community.
The three defendants belong to a "religious and cultural community" that investigators allege practices female genital mutilation on young girls -- a painful surgical procedure to remove part of the clitoris or clitoral hood to suppress female sexuality.
During a court hearing April 17, Nagarwala's defense attorney, Shannon Smith, told a judge the procedure did not involve cutting and was religious in nature, CNN affiliate WXYZ reported.
Smith argued the procedure is practiced by the Dawoodi Bohra, an Islamic sect based in India, and that the clinic was used to keep procedures sterile, WXYZ reported.
The Detroit Free Press reported from the hearing that Smith said her client removed membrane from the girls' genital area using a "scraper" as part of a religious practice. The girls' parents would then bury the membrane in the ground in accordance with their religious custom, Smith said, according to the Free Press account.
Michigan doctors charged in genital mutilation case - CNN.com
Hey, anybody can claim "religious ritual" to try to get off the hook. Doesn't make it magically retroactively appear in the history books.
Again, consider the source. This is the same argument that tries to say "Hitler was a socialist because that was the name of the party and Hitler would never lie".
>> . The practice predates Christianity and Islam... The accounts of historian Pietro Bembo, posthumously published in 1550, reported that most likely FC originated in Egypt and the Nile valley, then spread out to the Red Sea coastal tribes with Arab traders, and then spread into eastern Sudan”.
[4a]
Islam Watch, in an article dated 6 July 2007, reported: ”As a cultural practice, FGM has probably been in existence for thousands of years.
... Addressing the Islamic religious perspectives, a report of a conference, held in June 2006, ‘Female Genital Mutilation religious and legal perspectives’, published by Womankind stated: ”Islam participants argue forcefully that there is no justification for FGM in any Islamic texts or teachings. First, they mphasised that the practice is not even referred to in the Koran. It is referred to in one of the hadiths; however, as authoritative participants made clear, this hadith has been found to be weak and inauthentic” [34b]
The report continued: ”Secondly, participants noted that the key tenets of Muslim obligation are clearly asserted in the Koran and hadiths... Yet FGM is not even mentioned. Nor can FGM be justified on the basis of following the Prophet’s example; it is not stated that any of the Prophet’s wives and daughters had undergone the procedure”. [34b]
Then addressing Christian religious perspectives, the report continued: This Country of Origin Information Report contains the most up-to-date publicly available information as at 20 June 20085
Older source material has been included where it contains relevant information not available in more recent documents.
”Christian (Coptic) religious leaders also emphasised to the conference that there is no justification for FGM in Christian teachings; indeed, it is not even referred to in the Bible. The procedure is not undertaken as part of a religious ceremony, and no religious leader is present when it is performed. [34b]
The WHO, in its Key Facts paper of May 2008, noted: ”Local structures of power and authority, such as community leaders, religious leaders, circumcisers, and even some medical personnel can contribute to
upholding the practice. In most societies, FGM is considered a cultural tradition, which is often used as an argument for its continuation.--- FGM - UK Border Agency <<
But you didn't stop to ask "from where" now did you.
Again, take that same Anthro course I sent Rocko to and tell us where there exists a people whose every act is dictated by religion --- and not by culutre, by geopolitics, by economics, etc.
Or just look up what "Association Fallacy" means.
Hey, the IRA were Catholics. The Klan were Protestants. What shall we conclude there by way of causation?
What are you ranting about?! They are Muslims and they, by their own admission, were practicing a religious and cultural tradition in "shaving" little girl's labias. You can spout your association fallacy line all you want. You are denying reality.That's all very interesting. The fact remains that the people involved in the Michigan female genital mutilation incidents were Muslim.
Detroit emergency room physician Jumana Nagarwala, 44, was arrested April 12 and is currently in jail awaiting trial after a federal judge deemed her a flight risk and a threat to the community.
The three defendants belong to a "religious and cultural community" that investigators allege practices female genital mutilation on young girls -- a painful surgical procedure to remove part of the clitoris or clitoral hood to suppress female sexuality.
During a court hearing April 17, Nagarwala's defense attorney, Shannon Smith, told a judge the procedure did not involve cutting and was religious in nature, CNN affiliate WXYZ reported.
Smith argued the procedure is practiced by the Dawoodi Bohra, an Islamic sect based in India, and that the clinic was used to keep procedures sterile, WXYZ reported.
The Detroit Free Press reported from the hearing that Smith said her client removed membrane from the girls' genital area using a "scraper" as part of a religious practice. The girls' parents would then bury the membrane in the ground in accordance with their religious custom, Smith said, according to the Free Press account.
Michigan doctors charged in genital mutilation case - CNN.com
Hey, anybody can claim "religious ritual" to try to get off the hook. Doesn't make it magically retroactively appear in the history books.
Again, consider the source. This is the same argument that tries to say "Hitler was a socialist because that was the name of the party and Hitler would never lie".
>> . The practice predates Christianity and Islam... The accounts of historian Pietro Bembo, posthumously published in 1550, reported that most likely FC originated in Egypt and the Nile valley, then spread out to the Red Sea coastal tribes with Arab traders, and then spread into eastern Sudan”.
[4a]
Islam Watch, in an article dated 6 July 2007, reported: ”As a cultural practice, FGM has probably been in existence for thousands of years.
... Addressing the Islamic religious perspectives, a report of a conference, held in June 2006, ‘Female Genital Mutilation religious and legal perspectives’, published by Womankind stated: ”Islam participants argue forcefully that there is no justification for FGM in any Islamic texts or teachings. First, they mphasised that the practice is not even referred to in the Koran. It is referred to in one of the hadiths; however, as authoritative participants made clear, this hadith has been found to be weak and inauthentic” [34b]
The report continued: ”Secondly, participants noted that the key tenets of Muslim obligation are clearly asserted in the Koran and hadiths... Yet FGM is not even mentioned. Nor can FGM be justified on the basis of following the Prophet’s example; it is not stated that any of the Prophet’s wives and daughters had undergone the procedure”. [34b]
Then addressing Christian religious perspectives, the report continued: This Country of Origin Information Report contains the most up-to-date publicly available information as at 20 June 20085
Older source material has been included where it contains relevant information not available in more recent documents.
”Christian (Coptic) religious leaders also emphasised to the conference that there is no justification for FGM in Christian teachings; indeed, it is not even referred to in the Bible. The procedure is not undertaken as part of a religious ceremony, and no religious leader is present when it is performed. [34b]
The WHO, in its Key Facts paper of May 2008, noted: ”Local structures of power and authority, such as community leaders, religious leaders, circumcisers, and even some medical personnel can contribute to
upholding the practice. In most societies, FGM is considered a cultural tradition, which is often used as an argument for its continuation.--- FGM - UK Border Agency <<
But you didn't stop to ask "from where" now did you.
Again, take that same Anthro course I sent Rocko to and tell us where there exists a people whose every act is dictated by religion --- and not by culutre, by geopolitics, by economics, etc.
Or just look up what "Association Fallacy" means.
Hey, the IRA were Catholics. The Klan were Protestants. What shall we conclude there by way of causation?
Would you prefer "Causation Fallacy"? Same thing.
Hey, if you're trying to tell the class that FGM is an religious thing --- quit pussyfooting and show your evidence. And by "evidence" I mean credible evidence, not some clown trying to get off the hook with an excuse where he thinks he can hide behind the First Amendment on what is already defined as a cultural practice. Go ahead, quote the Quran on FGM. Quote the Bible.
You won't. Because there isn't any. Because just as with the whole "honor killing" bullshit, this was around thousands of years before Jesus or Mohammed.
Apparently the desciptively-named poster "Compost" does. He's trying to make exactly that point, while simultaneously wimping out on the fact that he IS making it.
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Well, it is mainly practiced by muslims today, ya know. That fact is pretty well known.
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