McConnell Cannot Block Witnesses - Just Announced

[Ray From Cleveland]

Then vote for Biden, and watch his family get richer from his position in government just like when he was VP.

Y’all have no leg to stand on this one.

Says the side begging for more witnesses.

I’m on the side of learning the truth. What side are you on?

You are on the side making up shit and rules as you go.

You are n the side that made up RUSSIA, falsified evidence, lied to get warrants, lied about Kavanaugh...

And you have the SACK to say you are after the TRUTH???


God damn that some funny shit right there.

All I ever wanted was to hear from witnesses. Why does that anger you?

We wanted the same. We wanted to hear from the whistleblower--denied by Schiff. We wanted to hear from the informant. We wanted to hear from the 18th witness, schiff suppressed that testimony. But now you want to call foul???

 

[colfax_m]

Y’all have no leg to stand on this one.

Says the side begging for more witnesses.

I’m on the side of learning the truth. What side are you on?

You are on the side making up shit and rules as you go.

You are n the side that made up RUSSIA, falsified evidence, lied to get warrants, lied about Kavanaugh...

And you have the SACK to say you are after the TRUTH???


God damn that some funny shit right there.

All I ever wanted was to hear from witnesses. Why does that anger you?

We wanted the same. We wanted to hear from the whistleblower--denied by Schiff. We wanted to hear from the informant. We wanted to hear from the 18th witness, schiff suppressed that testimony. But now you want to call foul???

The whistleblower and the IG are not witnesses.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The “commies” have not failed yet

I think all they are hoping for is to defeat trump in november

which they plan to do by driving down his popularity

What popularity is that? Trumo won by 77,000 votes over 3 states and they've moved on! his lack of credibility will be his downfall! You can't believe a word the man says! He has to exaggerate or lie about everything and it makes no sense since he did win the presidency! It wasn't enough; it had to be the biggest, best, most transparent admin. known to man which we all know is BS! I feel for his supporters because when it blows up, the $#!t will cover them all for life! I hate to say I actually allowed politics to fracture an assoc.! I couldn't let it go and a 40 year friendship is dead! More of that will occur when those supporters finally take their blinders off and feel they have to make amends to all concerned!

I agree that we are a deeply fractured society

but the rift between Americans is caused by the losers of the 2016 election who were outraged that hillary didnt win as expected

The liberal media, democrats and the Deep State concocted a phony russian collusion excuse that many ordinary Americans bought hook line and sinker

and its made you bitter and hate filled

and it wont go away soon

So you revenge on us is to stick your nose up Rumps Rump. Thanks a friggin lot. And then you want to punish us even more by trying to have Rump do another 4 years? That's sick.

Then vote for Biden, and watch his family get richer from his position in government just like when he was VP.

Y’all have no leg to stand on this one.

So you deny his family was getting wealthy thanks to him being VP? Wants some real info on that? Let's start with Hunter and go from there.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I'm not sure I understand. It seems that the democrats helped Trump out by not going through
the process of subpoenaing the witnesses they needed to make their case. Instead, they buttoned
it up too early and demanded that the repubs do their work for them. The dems have nobody to blame
but themselves. You need to work on focusing your anger at the right group of people.

Nothing they did helped Trump. They wore his legal team down to the “so what” defense. Alexander doesn’t want Bolton to testify because what he is going to say has already been proven.

I have no anger for anyone that did everything they could to get the truth out.

No, the dems did not do everything they could to get the truth out. They cut corners and tried to get
the Senate to do the work they should have done. I'm not sure why you are defending them
as you are. The dems feet are the ones who's feet should be held to the fire.

Trump stonewalling witnesses had nothing to do that - nah, nothing whatsoever.

yawnnnnnnnnnnn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

When you wake up, the dems should have used the courts.....yes, really.

when you wake up, the constitution doesnt mandate court decisions in house impeachments-

but who ever accused rw idiots of paying any attention to the constitution -

The courts do have the power to issue judgements in regards to subpoenas. Always have had. Whether or not it's in regards to an impeachment is irrelevant.

But who ever accused lw idiots of knowing the law, instead of pretending it is whatever they want at the moment?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Says the side begging for more witnesses.

I’m on the side of learning the truth. What side are you on?

You are on the side making up shit and rules as you go.

You are n the side that made up RUSSIA, falsified evidence, lied to get warrants, lied about Kavanaugh...

And you have the SACK to say you are after the TRUTH???


God damn that some funny shit right there.

All I ever wanted was to hear from witnesses. Why does that anger you?

We wanted the same. We wanted to hear from the whistleblower--denied by Schiff. We wanted to hear from the informant. We wanted to hear from the 18th witness, schiff suppressed that testimony. But now you want to call foul???

The whistleblower and the IG are not witnesses.

Most of the witnesses called were not really witnesses either outside of Sondland. That didn't stop Schiff from calling them.

 

[Siete]

Says the side begging for more witnesses.

I’m on the side of learning the truth. What side are you on?

You are on the side making up shit and rules as you go.

You are n the side that made up RUSSIA, falsified evidence, lied to get warrants, lied about Kavanaugh...

And you have the SACK to say you are after the TRUTH???


God damn that some funny shit right there.

All I ever wanted was to hear from witnesses. Why does that anger you?

We wanted the same. We wanted to hear from the whistleblower--denied by Schiff. We wanted to hear from the informant. We wanted to hear from the 18th witness, schiff suppressed that testimony. But now you want to call foul???

The whistleblower and the IG are not witnesses.

but but but Biden made $$$$$

Trumps kids havent quit their other jobs either.

both are employees of the president

Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner made as much as $135m last year

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I'm not sure I understand. It seems that the democrats helped Trump out by not going through
the process of subpoenaing the witnesses they needed to make their case. Instead, they buttoned
it up too early and demanded that the repubs do their work for them. The dems have nobody to blame
but themselves. You need to work on focusing your anger at the right group of people.

Nothing they did helped Trump. They wore his legal team down to the “so what” defense. Alexander doesn’t want Bolton to testify because what he is going to say has already been proven.

I have no anger for anyone that did everything they could to get the truth out.

No, the dems did not do everything they could to get the truth out. They cut corners and tried to get
the Senate to do the work they should have done. I'm not sure why you are defending them
as you are. The dems feet are the ones who's feet should be held to the fire.

You have any idea how long it would take to get the lawsuits through the court? McGhan’s lawsuit has a single ruling in district court and that was like 8 months ago. This will take years and I have little doubt they will be taking these to court now. Nothing was lost by going an alternative route.

The Senate should have called witnesses during the trial. The House can’t do that. They weren’t asking the Senate to do their job for them. They were asking the Senate to do the job the Constitution gives them.

The Senate did do their job. This was a bogus impeachment that had no supporting evidence to their claim. In spite of that, they impeached the President anyway. Could you imagine if this happened outside of government in a court of law; somebody going to prison because another person thought they were going to rob a bank? It's unheard of.

There is nothing more to add to this impeachment. The Senators found the impeachment to be phony, and with that, Trump is not guilty of anything.

No supporting evidence? Then why is the Trump team legal argument now “it doesn’t matter if the allegations are true”.

Ever hear of a trial where no witnesses could be called? It’s an appealing farce of justice.

You had 17 witnesses. That's not enough? I say it's plenty.

 

[colfax_m]

I’m on the side of learning the truth. What side are you on?

You are on the side making up shit and rules as you go.

You are n the side that made up RUSSIA, falsified evidence, lied to get warrants, lied about Kavanaugh...

And you have the SACK to say you are after the TRUTH???


God damn that some funny shit right there.

All I ever wanted was to hear from witnesses. Why does that anger you?

We wanted the same. We wanted to hear from the whistleblower--denied by Schiff. We wanted to hear from the informant. We wanted to hear from the 18th witness, schiff suppressed that testimony. But now you want to call foul???

The whistleblower and the IG are not witnesses.

Most of the witnesses called were not really witnesses either outside of Sondland. That didn't stop Schiff from calling them.

That’s not true. They all had facts that helped us understand how this policy evolved.

 

[colfax_m]

Nothing they did helped Trump. They wore his legal team down to the “so what” defense. Alexander doesn’t want Bolton to testify because what he is going to say has already been proven.

I have no anger for anyone that did everything they could to get the truth out.

No, the dems did not do everything they could to get the truth out. They cut corners and tried to get
the Senate to do the work they should have done. I'm not sure why you are defending them
as you are. The dems feet are the ones who's feet should be held to the fire.

You have any idea how long it would take to get the lawsuits through the court? McGhan’s lawsuit has a single ruling in district court and that was like 8 months ago. This will take years and I have little doubt they will be taking these to court now. Nothing was lost by going an alternative route.

The Senate should have called witnesses during the trial. The House can’t do that. They weren’t asking the Senate to do their job for them. They were asking the Senate to do the job the Constitution gives them.

The Senate did do their job. This was a bogus impeachment that had no supporting evidence to their claim. In spite of that, they impeached the President anyway. Could you imagine if this happened outside of government in a court of law; somebody going to prison because another person thought they were going to rob a bank? It's unheard of.

There is nothing more to add to this impeachment. The Senators found the impeachment to be phony, and with that, Trump is not guilty of anything.

No supporting evidence? Then why is the Trump team legal argument now “it doesn’t matter if the allegations are true”.

Ever hear of a trial where no witnesses could be called? It’s an appealing farce of justice.

You had 17 witnesses. That's not enough? I say it's plenty.

Sounds like you’re being arbitrary. You have any idea how many witnesses were interviewed in the Horowitz report?

 

[Cecilie1200]

I'm not sure I understand. It seems that the democrats helped Trump out by not going through
the process of subpoenaing the witnesses they needed to make their case. Instead, they buttoned
it up too early and demanded that the repubs do their work for them. The dems have nobody to blame
but themselves. You need to work on focusing your anger at the right group of people.

Nothing they did helped Trump. They wore his legal team down to the “so what” defense. Alexander doesn’t want Bolton to testify because what he is going to say has already been proven.

I have no anger for anyone that did everything they could to get the truth out.

No, the dems did not do everything they could to get the truth out. They cut corners and tried to get
the Senate to do the work they should have done. I'm not sure why you are defending them
as you are. The dems feet are the ones who's feet should be held to the fire.

You have any idea how long it would take to get the lawsuits through the court? McGhan’s lawsuit has a single ruling in district court and that was like 8 months ago. This will take years and I have little doubt they will be taking these to court now. Nothing was lost by going an alternative route.

The Senate should have called witnesses during the trial. The House can’t do that. They weren’t asking the Senate to do their job for them. They were asking the Senate to do the job the Constitution gives them.

The Senate did do their job. This was a bogus impeachment that had no supporting evidence to their claim. In spite of that, they impeached the President anyway. Could you imagine if this happened outside of government in a court of law; somebody going to prison because another person thought they were going to rob a bank? It's unheard of.

There is nothing more to add to this impeachment. The Senators found the impeachment to be phony, and with that, Trump is not guilty of anything.

No supporting evidence? Then why is the Trump team legal argument now “it doesn’t matter if the allegations are true”.

Ever hear of a trial where no witnesses could be called? It’s an appealing farce of justice.

Let me clarify for the English-impaired: there's no supporting evidence that Trump did anything impeachable, and since the allegations aren't about impeachable offenses, it doesn't matter if they're true or not.

And yes, I have heard of courts dismissing charges because the prosecution doesn't have a sufficient case. But one rarely hears of a prosecution doing such a shit job of preparing a case before bringing charges. That IS a pretty appalling farce of justice with the "impeachment".

 

[colfax_m]

Nothing they did helped Trump. They wore his legal team down to the “so what” defense. Alexander doesn’t want Bolton to testify because what he is going to say has already been proven.

I have no anger for anyone that did everything they could to get the truth out.

No, the dems did not do everything they could to get the truth out. They cut corners and tried to get
the Senate to do the work they should have done. I'm not sure why you are defending them
as you are. The dems feet are the ones who's feet should be held to the fire.

Trump stonewalling witnesses had nothing to do that - nah, nothing whatsoever.

yawnnnnnnnnnnn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

When you wake up, the dems should have used the courts.....yes, really.

when you wake up, the constitution doesnt mandate court decisions in house impeachments-

but who ever accused rw idiots of paying any attention to the constitution -

The courts do have the power to issue judgements in regards to subpoenas. Always have had. Whether or not it's in regards to an impeachment is irrelevant.

But who ever accused lw idiots of knowing the law, instead of pretending it is whatever they want at the moment?

Impeachment is not a judicial proceeding kiddo.
You couldn’t possibly be more mistaken.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You are on the side making up shit and rules as you go.

You are n the side that made up RUSSIA, falsified evidence, lied to get warrants, lied about Kavanaugh...

And you have the SACK to say you are after the TRUTH???


God damn that some funny shit right there.

All I ever wanted was to hear from witnesses. Why does that anger you?

We wanted the same. We wanted to hear from the whistleblower--denied by Schiff. We wanted to hear from the informant. We wanted to hear from the 18th witness, schiff suppressed that testimony. But now you want to call foul???

The whistleblower and the IG are not witnesses.

Most of the witnesses called were not really witnesses either outside of Sondland. That didn't stop Schiff from calling them.

That’s not true. They all had facts that helped us understand how this policy evolved.

No, they assumed something, heard something from somebody else, thought something. That's not enough to do a justified impeachment.

We wanted to prove that this was a coup. We wanted to prove that this was an inside plot between the Democrats who had spies in the White House. We could have provided evidence of that from the testimony of the whistleblower, the informant, or even the testimony from the 18th witness. They were all kept from us, so we can't prove that case.

 

[colfax_m]

Nothing they did helped Trump. They wore his legal team down to the “so what” defense. Alexander doesn’t want Bolton to testify because what he is going to say has already been proven.

I have no anger for anyone that did everything they could to get the truth out.

No, the dems did not do everything they could to get the truth out. They cut corners and tried to get
the Senate to do the work they should have done. I'm not sure why you are defending them
as you are. The dems feet are the ones who's feet should be held to the fire.

You have any idea how long it would take to get the lawsuits through the court? McGhan’s lawsuit has a single ruling in district court and that was like 8 months ago. This will take years and I have little doubt they will be taking these to court now. Nothing was lost by going an alternative route.

The Senate should have called witnesses during the trial. The House can’t do that. They weren’t asking the Senate to do their job for them. They were asking the Senate to do the job the Constitution gives them.

The Senate did do their job. This was a bogus impeachment that had no supporting evidence to their claim. In spite of that, they impeached the President anyway. Could you imagine if this happened outside of government in a court of law; somebody going to prison because another person thought they were going to rob a bank? It's unheard of.

There is nothing more to add to this impeachment. The Senators found the impeachment to be phony, and with that, Trump is not guilty of anything.

No supporting evidence? Then why is the Trump team legal argument now “it doesn’t matter if the allegations are true”.

Ever hear of a trial where no witnesses could be called? It’s an appealing farce of justice.

Let me clarify for the English-impaired: there's no supporting evidence that Trump did anything impeachable, and since the allegations aren't about impeachable offenses, it doesn't matter if they're true or not.

And yes, I have heard of courts dismissing charges because the prosecution doesn't have a sufficient case. But one rarely hears of a prosecution doing such a shit job of preparing a case before bringing charges. That IS a pretty appalling farce of justice with the "impeachment".

Who the hell told you what counts as an Impeachable offense? Sending the government after your political enemies is no longer impeachable? Sounds like you’re just legalized corruption.

If Trump did what he’s doing in a criminal case (obstructing) he’d have been put in jail long ago.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Who the hell told you what counts as an Impeachable offense?

It's called the US Constitution.

 

[colfax_m]

All I ever wanted was to hear from witnesses. Why does that anger you?

We wanted the same. We wanted to hear from the whistleblower--denied by Schiff. We wanted to hear from the informant. We wanted to hear from the 18th witness, schiff suppressed that testimony. But now you want to call foul???

The whistleblower and the IG are not witnesses.

Most of the witnesses called were not really witnesses either outside of Sondland. That didn't stop Schiff from calling them.

That’s not true. They all had facts that helped us understand how this policy evolved.

No, they assumed something, heard something from somebody else, thought something. That's not enough to do a justified impeachment.

We wanted to prove that this was a coup. We wanted to prove that this was an inside plot between the Democrats who had spies in the White House. We could have provided evidence of that from the testimony of the whistleblower, the informant, or even the testimony from the 18th witness. They were all kept from us, so we can't prove that case.

You’re accusing people of engaging in a coup? Take it to the DoJ since they’re the ones that investigate crimes. I do want to see them laugh their asses off at the insinuation this has any bearing on reality.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, the dems did not do everything they could to get the truth out. They cut corners and tried to get
the Senate to do the work they should have done. I'm not sure why you are defending them
as you are. The dems feet are the ones who's feet should be held to the fire.

You have any idea how long it would take to get the lawsuits through the court? McGhan’s lawsuit has a single ruling in district court and that was like 8 months ago. This will take years and I have little doubt they will be taking these to court now. Nothing was lost by going an alternative route.

The Senate should have called witnesses during the trial. The House can’t do that. They weren’t asking the Senate to do their job for them. They were asking the Senate to do the job the Constitution gives them.

The Senate did do their job. This was a bogus impeachment that had no supporting evidence to their claim. In spite of that, they impeached the President anyway. Could you imagine if this happened outside of government in a court of law; somebody going to prison because another person thought they were going to rob a bank? It's unheard of.

There is nothing more to add to this impeachment. The Senators found the impeachment to be phony, and with that, Trump is not guilty of anything.

No supporting evidence? Then why is the Trump team legal argument now “it doesn’t matter if the allegations are true”.

Ever hear of a trial where no witnesses could be called? It’s an appealing farce of justice.

You had 17 witnesses. That's not enough? I say it's plenty.

Sounds like you’re being arbitrary. You have any idea how many witnesses were interviewed in the Horowitz report?

His report has nothing to do with this. That was an investigation, this was a hearing.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We wanted the same. We wanted to hear from the whistleblower--denied by Schiff. We wanted to hear from the informant. We wanted to hear from the 18th witness, schiff suppressed that testimony. But now you want to call foul???

The whistleblower and the IG are not witnesses.

Most of the witnesses called were not really witnesses either outside of Sondland. That didn't stop Schiff from calling them.

That’s not true. They all had facts that helped us understand how this policy evolved.

No, they assumed something, heard something from somebody else, thought something. That's not enough to do a justified impeachment.

We wanted to prove that this was a coup. We wanted to prove that this was an inside plot between the Democrats who had spies in the White House. We could have provided evidence of that from the testimony of the whistleblower, the informant, or even the testimony from the 18th witness. They were all kept from us, so we can't prove that case.

You’re accusing people of engaging in a coup? Take it to the DoJ since they’re the ones that investigate crimes. I do want to see them laugh their asses off at the insinuation this has any bearing on reality.

It will all come out in the end. A coup is hard to prove. It's not like their names are listed anywhere in a book somewhere.

If we could have the truth--which is something Democrats particularly Schiff Face could provide, it would demonstrate that this was orchestrated out of nothing for pure political motives. It's the exact thing our founders feared about the use of impeachment.

 

[FA_Q2]

If Moscow Mitch could block witnesses, did that make Trump supporters think Bolton's claims would just go away? Voters in the next election will know what Bolton says whether it is said as a witness in the senate or not.

I have a tough time believing any of this matters to voters at this point. Trump is the most polarizing President in the history of historical histories, and I suspect people's minds are made up.
.

Is he MAC, really?

This is the type of hyperbole that you often chide others for. You really think he is more polarizing than, say, Lincoln?

Yes.

And when I purposely go out my way to use a silly term like "in history of historical histories", I make the assumption that people are aware that I'm not trying to be literal.

As opposed to nutters, who usually try to defend their hyperbole when I point it out.
.

LOL, point taken

 

[colfax_m]

Who the hell told you what counts as an Impeachable offense?

It's called the US Constitution.

High crimes and misdemeanors.

 

[colfax_m]

The whistleblower and the IG are not witnesses.

Most of the witnesses called were not really witnesses either outside of Sondland. That didn't stop Schiff from calling them.

That’s not true. They all had facts that helped us understand how this policy evolved.

No, they assumed something, heard something from somebody else, thought something. That's not enough to do a justified impeachment.

We wanted to prove that this was a coup. We wanted to prove that this was an inside plot between the Democrats who had spies in the White House. We could have provided evidence of that from the testimony of the whistleblower, the informant, or even the testimony from the 18th witness. They were all kept from us, so we can't prove that case.

You’re accusing people of engaging in a coup? Take it to the DoJ since they’re the ones that investigate crimes. I do want to see them laugh their asses off at the insinuation this has any bearing on reality.

It will all come out in the end. A coup is hard to prove. It's not like their names are listed anywhere in a book somewhere.

If we could have the truth--which is something Democrats particularly Schiff Face could provide, it would demonstrate that this was orchestrated out of nothing for pure political motives. It's the exact thing our founders feared about the use of impeachment.

No it won’t. This will become another one of the right wing fantasies that y’all talk about for a few years promising it’ll come out and then when it doesn’t happen, it’s forgotten.