Massive list of Americans who used guns to stop mass public shooters back to 2014....

[Crepitus]

Okay now that is not only illogical it is HEARTLESS.
So all those people saved is nothing to you !!
Wow, remind me not to fight and die in the Army to say someone like YOU

Those people wouldn't have needed saving if we had better control of who owned guns.

 

[2aguy]

Fake list. Most are not "mass shooters" and if you throw those out you're looking at average of two a year. At that point the negatives outweigh the positives by so much that you've actually made the opposite point from the one you attempted.

/thread.

They aren't mass shooters because they were stopped, you thick clod.....

 

[2aguy]

Those people wouldn't have needed saving if we had better control of who owned guns.

We have control over who owns guns.....we don't have control over the democrats who keep releasing violent gun criminals from prison and jail.

 

[JoeB131]

More lives are saved by guns in the hands of normal Americans than criminals with guns murder...

If that was the case, countries that have banned guns would have much higher murder rates than us, rather than much, much lower.

 

[2aguy]

If that was the case, countries that have banned guns would have much higher murder rates than us, rather than much, much lower.

They do have higher murder rates than we do....

Gun murder over the entire 247 year history of the U.S.....

Around 2,470,000

European governments...murdered 15-20 million innocent citizens in just 6 years, 1939-1945 and it was only stopped because Americans with guns stopped them.

Russia....25 million murdered

China....70 million murdered.....

You have nothing.

 

[JoeB131]

They do have higher murder rates than we do....

Gun murder over the entire 247 year history of the U.S.....

Around 2,470,000

Wars don't count.

If they did, we should count the 1 million Iraqis, 3 million Vietnamese, Half a million Filipinos, and of course, the pretty thorough GENOCIDE of Native Americans.

Oh, do you know where Hitler got his idea for Concentration Camps? He looked at Native American Reservations.

 

[2aguy]

Wars don't count.

If they did, we should count the 1 million Iraqis, 3 million Vietnamese, Half a million Filipinos, and of course, the pretty thorough GENOCIDE of Native Americans.

Oh, do you know where Hitler got his idea for Concentration Camps? He looked at Native American Reservations.

The 15-20 million were not murdered as a result of war....they were not the collateral damage of military combat. They were first disarmed, then rounded up, marched into forests and death camps and murdered.

 

[2aguy]

Wars don't count.

If they did, we should count the 1 million Iraqis, 3 million Vietnamese, Half a million Filipinos, and of course, the pretty thorough GENOCIDE of Native Americans.

Oh, do you know where Hitler got his idea for Concentration Camps? He looked at Native American Reservations.

The Iraqis, Vietnamese died in combat operations.....the native Americans did not die from genocide, they died from european disease that they had no immunity for fighting....

 

[JoeB131]

The 15-20 million were not murdered as a result of war....they were not the collateral damage of military combat. They were first disarmed, then rounded up, marched into forests and death camps and murdered.

Most of the Iraqis, Filipinos, Vietnamese and Native Americans we slaughtered weren't combantants, either.

So not seeing how it's bad when Germans kill Slavs, Poles, and Jews, and that's bad, but Americans kill indigenous people in countries we invade. I would say "War is Hell", but Hawkeye said it much better.

 

[Flash]

So 50 cases over a 10 year period vs. 600 mass shootings a year.

Um... Sorry, doesn't quite pan out.

You idiot.

The great number of these "mass shootings" are usually nothing more than gangs, druggies and street thugs shooting it out with one another with two or three assholes shot.

You always get things wrong. Always.

You have never been right once posting your uneducated dribble on this forum.

 

[Flash]

Nope.....

Here is the definitive list from left wing, anti-gun, pro-democrat, Mother Jones...

Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed. We adopted that baseline for fatalities when we gathered data in 2012 on three decades worth of cases.
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• Here is a description of the criteria we use:
  • The perpetrator took the lives of at least four people. A 2008 FBI report identifies an individual as a mass murderer—versus a spree killer or a serial killer—if he kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location. (*In 2013, the US government’s fatality baseline was revised down to three; our database reflects this change beginning from Jan. 2013, as detailed above.)
  • The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (Except in the case of the Columbine massacre and the Westside Middle School killings, which involved two shooters.)
  • The shootings occurred in a public place. (Except in the case of a party on private property in Crandon, Wisconsin, and another in Seattle, where crowds of strangers had gathered, essentially constituting a public crowd.) Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included, nor are mass killings that took place in private homes (often stemming from domestic violence).
  • Perpetrators who died or were wounded during the attack are not included in the victim tallies.
  • We included a handful of cases also known as “spree killings“—cases in which the killings occurred in more than one location, but still over a short period of time, that otherwise fit the above criteria.
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Our research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker. We exclude shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence. (Or in which the perpetrators have not been identified.) Other news outlets and researchers have since published larger tallies that include a wide range of gun crimes in which four or more people have been either wounded or killed. While those larger datasets of multiple-victim shootings are useful for studying the broader problem of gun violence, our investigation provides an in-depth look at a distinct phenomenon—from the firearms used and mental health factors to the growing copycat problem. Tracking mass shootings is complex; we believe ours is the most useful approach for studying this specific phenomenon.



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The actual number of mass shootings from Mother Jones......


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


2022...12

2021...6

2020....2

2019....10

2018... 12

2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1

School shootings...

2022.....1
2021....1
2020....0
2019....0
2018.....2
2017....0
2016...0
2015....1 (community college)
2014...1
2013.....0
2012....2
2011....0
2010...0
2006.....1
1999.......1
1998.....2
1992....1
1989....1

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


Deer kill 200 people a year.....

Lawn mowers between 90-100 people a year....

Ladders 300 people a year....

bathtubs 350 people a year...

Cars killed over 39,000 people in 2019...



Total number of people killed in mass public shootings by year...


2022....74
2021...43
2020....5
2019....73
2018.....93
2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

Facts are never the friend of JoeB.

 

[Flash]

Most of the Iraqis, Filipinos, Vietnamese and Native Americans we slaughtered weren't combantants, either.

So not seeing how it's bad when Germans kill Slavs, Poles, and Jews, and that's bad, but Americans kill indigenous people in countries we invade. I would say "War is Hell", but Hawkeye said it much better.

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Native Americans were mostly killed by disease. The Europeans that brought over the diseases had absolutely no idea that they were carriers. However, if the Injins would have had a more stringent immigration policy they could have prevented it.

As far as Vietnamese you don't know jackshit. You only know what Hollywood has told you. The great number were combatants or killed by the Communists. Then you had the Communists Killing Fields after the war. The Communists are the shitheads that assholes like you supported. You sorry shithead.

 

[Likkmee]

Dipshit……you idiots have used the law to make almost every square foot of public space a gun free zone where legal gun owners have to leave their guns at home or in their cars……,and then think you are the smartest morons in the room pointing out how often it is that people use their legal guns to stop mass public shooters…..……

You really are fucking stupid.

With all of your gun free zones, even then, normal gun owners still manage to stop mass public shooters when they actually have their legal guns with them…showing that normal gun owners can stop killers…..and that is why you want gun free zones…you need dead people, not survivors using legal guns who stop the killers

You need death to push gun control, so you create death to push your gun control………you are vile.

Oct.7 is barely a month ago, where leftists in Israel did what you want…they confiscated rifles and handguns from law abiding Israelis, and those law abiding Israelis paid for the lefts insanity with their rapes, tortures, murders and mutilations…..

Never, ever, give up your guns to leftists…..

Amen, and never buy/live anywhere but rural. Even choose carefully there. Your fucking brainless, incapable, meatheads "hid plenty of weapons of mass destruction" there. YES SIR ! Doing my job sir !! Country folk can survive

 

[JoeB131]

As far as Vietnamese you don't know jackshit. You only know what Hollywood has told you. The great number were combatants or killed by the Communists. Then you had the Communists Killing Fields after the war. The Communists are the shitheads that assholes like you supported. You sorry shithead.

3 million vietnamese were killed between 1965 and 1975. The Killing Fields happened later in another country.

I can see your confusion.