Massive Amtrak Crash....but who cares about our highways and trains?

[TooTall]

The BILLIONS of 'shovel ready' dollars Obama pissed away on green energy companies that went bankrupt could have been spent on upgrading our infrastructure.

You mean on those green energy companies that donated millions to the Obama and DNC election?

Exactly!

 

[Yurt]

That was in reference to committee!

You said the House not the committee.

Post 514 - " The House just slashed Amtrak funding by $250 million".
Where is the word House Committee?

the guy has no clue what he is talking about in this thread....heck, he blamed me personally for the crash

More proof of your dishonesty.

I asked you to accept responsibility for supporting tax cuts and spending cuts that prevented Amtrak from fully implementing PTC that would have prevented this crash.

That you have to distort what I actually posted is typical of someone who lacks integrity.

i asked you if the engineer has any responsibility for the crash. i asked you to provide proof that spending cuts were responsible.

you refuse to answer and refuse to provide proof.

what did i distort?

are you jakestarkey's sock puppet?

Read and learn!

This Is Why Amtrak Funding Is So Difficult For Congress

In Washington Amtrak s funding has long been under threat MSNBC

1. i read both links and neither prove that funding was the cause of the accident.

2. you still didn't answer my question about the engineer.

3. using your logic, you caused this accident because you support engineers doing 106 MPH through a 50 MPH curve. you are responsible for this, not me.

 

[Yurt]

The engineer was not competent, promoted for political reasons, it's apparent. But now a days I wonder about fellow drivers, the stupidity and incompetence of people operating motor vehicles. Our standards of knowledge and integrity are so lax, this society on a slippery slope to chaos. Standards discriminate. Damn straight they do, against ignorance and stupidity.

how do you know he was promoted for political reasons? and before this accident, what proof do you have of his incompetence?

 

[Derideo_Te]

You said the House not the committee.

Post 514 - " The House just slashed Amtrak funding by $250 million".
Where is the word House Committee?

the guy has no clue what he is talking about in this thread....heck, he blamed me personally for the crash

More proof of your dishonesty.

I asked you to accept responsibility for supporting tax cuts and spending cuts that prevented Amtrak from fully implementing PTC that would have prevented this crash.

That you have to distort what I actually posted is typical of someone who lacks integrity.

i asked you if the engineer has any responsibility for the crash. i asked you to provide proof that spending cuts were responsible.

you refuse to answer and refuse to provide proof.

what did i distort?

are you jakestarkey's sock puppet?

Read and learn!

This Is Why Amtrak Funding Is So Difficult For Congress

In Washington Amtrak s funding has long been under threat MSNBC

1. i read both links and neither prove that funding was the cause of the accident.

2. you still didn't answer my question about the engineer.

3. using your logic, you caused this accident because you support engineers doing 106 MPH through a 50 MPH curve. you are responsible for this, not me.

1. Your reading comprehension shortcoming is your problem.

2. For the umpteenth time everything to do with the engineer is purely SPECULATION!

3. Your inability to use utterly logic is irrelevant.

Do try and keep up with the rest of the class.

 

[MaryL]

The engineer was not competent, promoted for political reasons, it's apparent. But now a days I wonder about fellow drivers, the stupidity and incompetence of people operating motor vehicles. Our standards of knowledge and integrity are so lax, this society on a slippery slope to chaos. Standards discriminate. Damn straight they do, against ignorance and stupidity.

how do you know he was promoted for political reasons? and before this accident, what proof do you have of his incompetence?

Call it an informed hunch. A militant gay man. Crashes a train at twice the speed, doesn't sound like that girly man knew what the hell he was doing. But, his incompetence speaks more for the people that hired him, AMTRAK. They will have to answer for the deaths of 7 or 8 people, not me.

 

[Spare_change]

$825 million .... where do you propose we get it? What program are you willing to cut?

Raise taxes to what they were before St Redink Ronnie started running up the national debt.

If we raised taxes to 100%, we still can't pay our debts - you obviously didn't think that thru.

Prove it!

Are you really that disconnected? You aren't aware of that? You need to go back to school, my friend.

I didn't realize you were so unversed in the subject being discussed.

If you really do need a tutorial, I'll be more than happy to provide it.

You made a claim and Derideo is asking you to prove it. Stop shuffling your pixels around and do it.

I can think of no good reason I should spend one iota of my time presenting information that you, and Derideo, are apparently unable to grasp. If you want to learn - study. Don't ask me to do it for you --- I'm NOT the Democratic party.

 

[Spare_change]

Relevant:

Amtrak loses a ton of money each year. It doesn t have to. - The Washington Post

...best way to think of Amtrak is that it's essentially two different train systems rolled into one. One system is quite successful, the other isn't...

From the same link....

Think of the Acela Express in the Northeast, or the Pacific Surfliner between San Diego and Los Angeles. These 26 routes carry four-fifths of Amtrak's passengers, or 25.8 million riders per year. And they're growing rapidly. Taken as a whole, these shorter routes are profitable to operate — mainly because the two big routes in the Northeast Corridor earn enough to cover losses elsewhere.

The reasonable action would be to keep the profitable, get rid of the rest. Use the profits to maintain the integrity of the system that remains.

Wait a minute!!! How dare you???

How dare you inject sanity and logic into the conversation??? We just lost the liberal half of this site. You KNOW they self destruct when faced with logical, sane solutions!!

Shame on you!

 

[Spare_change]

If we raised taxes to 100%, we still can't pay our debts - you obviously didn't think that thru.

Prove it!

Are you really that disconnected? You aren't aware of that? You need to go back to school, my friend.

I didn't realize you were so unversed in the subject being discussed.

If you really do need a tutorial, I'll be more than happy to provide it.

You made a claim and Derideo is asking you to prove it. Stop shuffling your pixels around and do it.

Only a complete moron would think that at a 100% tax rate anyone will work at all.

Since Spare_Change is the one that suggested a 100% tax rate are you calling him a "complete moron" now?

Yea, I'm the one that suggested it .... as a way to point out the utter stupidity of the drivel being posted. Apparently, you weren't knowledgeable enough to recognize the sarcasm of it ...

 

[Derideo_Te]

Raise taxes to what they were before St Redink Ronnie started running up the national debt.

If we raised taxes to 100%, we still can't pay our debts - you obviously didn't think that thru.

Prove it!

Are you really that disconnected? You aren't aware of that? You need to go back to school, my friend.

I didn't realize you were so unversed in the subject being discussed.

If you really do need a tutorial, I'll be more than happy to provide it.

You made a claim and Derideo is asking you to prove it. Stop shuffling your pixels around and do it.

I can think of no good reason I should spend one iota of my time presenting information that you, and Derideo, are apparently unable to grasp. If you want to learn - study. Don't ask me to do it for you --- I'm NOT the Democratic party.

In other words you are incapable of supporting your fallacies and as such your lack of credibility is fully deserved.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Prove it!

Are you really that disconnected? You aren't aware of that? You need to go back to school, my friend.

I didn't realize you were so unversed in the subject being discussed.

If you really do need a tutorial, I'll be more than happy to provide it.

You made a claim and Derideo is asking you to prove it. Stop shuffling your pixels around and do it.

Only a complete moron would think that at a 100% tax rate anyone will work at all.

Since Spare_Change is the one that suggested a 100% tax rate are you calling him a "complete moron" now?

Yea, I'm the one that suggested it .... as a way to point out the utter stupidity of the drivel being posted. Apparently, you weren't knowledgeable enough to recognize the sarcasm of it ...

Your patently obvious canard is exposed by what you just posted in #546 above.

Furthermore your lack of credibility is not improved by making baseless claims that you cannot substantiate.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Call it an informed hunch.

Call it homophobic bigotry since that is what it is!

 

[Yurt]

The engineer was not competent, promoted for political reasons, it's apparent. But now a days I wonder about fellow drivers, the stupidity and incompetence of people operating motor vehicles. Our standards of knowledge and integrity are so lax, this society on a slippery slope to chaos. Standards discriminate. Damn straight they do, against ignorance and stupidity.

how do you know he was promoted for political reasons? and before this accident, what proof do you have of his incompetence?

Call it an informed hunch. A militant gay man. Crashes a train at twice the speed, doesn't sound like that girly man knew what the hell he was doing. But, his incompetence speaks more for the people that hired him, AMTRAK. They will have to answer for the deaths of 7 or 8 people, not me.

how was he "militant"?

and yes, if it is proven he was incompetent here, amtrak will be held liable.

 

[Yurt]

If we raised taxes to 100%, we still can't pay our debts - you obviously didn't think that thru.

Prove it!

Are you really that disconnected? You aren't aware of that? You need to go back to school, my friend.

I didn't realize you were so unversed in the subject being discussed.

If you really do need a tutorial, I'll be more than happy to provide it.

You made a claim and Derideo is asking you to prove it. Stop shuffling your pixels around and do it.

I can think of no good reason I should spend one iota of my time presenting information that you, and Derideo, are apparently unable to grasp. If you want to learn - study. Don't ask me to do it for you --- I'm NOT the Democratic party.

In other words you are incapable of supporting your fallacies and as such your lack of credibility is fully deserved.

LOL...you have yet to support your fallacies

two faced much.....

 

[Spare_change]

i don't support all tax cuts and i don't support malfeasance. you're an idiot for blaming me.

are you denying the engineer bears responsibility for being over twice the posted allowable speed?

where is that proof that spending cuts by the gop was responsible for this crash jakey jr?

Which tax cuts and spending cuts don't you support?

You obviously do support the cuts that just cost 8 Americans their lives.

So yes, their blood is still on your hands.

nice dodge of my question.

still waiting for that proof.....you keep claiming that budget cuts were at fault, but can't cite a single thing to support that claim. how much are you paying jakey for this lesson?

you must have already forgotten that i said the recent budget cuts by the pubs was dumb, you even thanked the post.....but yeah....their blood is on my hands and the engineer is totally not at fault.

So you agreed with all of the prior tax cuts and spending cuts that resulted in Amtrak not having sufficient funding to fully implement PTC which would have prevented this accident therefore you do bear your share of responsibility for the blame.

Too bad you lack the honesty and integrity to admit to your own greed and selfishness.

i have honesty and integrity. you're the one being dishonest by claiming i am at fault and blaming spending with no proof, no citations, no evidence. if you were honest and had integrity, you would answer my question about the engineer and provide evidence of your claims.

instead, you're just a spiteful partisan hack who makes wild ass claims that have no basis in reality.

You were given the opportunity to state which tax cuts and spending you opposed. Since you did not state that you opposed prior spending cuts to Amtrak that prevented it from installing PTC that means that you supported them ergo you bear partial responsibility for the accident.

And yes, you lack the honesty and integrity to admit to your own role. But that is your problem, not mine.

Allow me to be as succinctly clear as I can be ... I'll use small words so you can keep up. Feel free to send me $12.95 for the children's version, if you need it.

I adamantly support tax cuts that prevented the injection of funding to AMTRAK - for any reason!!

Amtrak is a failed government subsidy program that has wasted billions of dollars that could have been used for education, infrastructure, and greens fees for our illustrious leader. Supporting a failed program is criminal, or stupid, depending on your point of view.

I've listened to all this malarkey about how the eastern corridor NEEDS Amtrak. If so, then let them pay for it --- raise the price of tickets to match the cost of the service, and see how that works out. It is unconscionable to ask the farmers in Nebraska to pay for a rail line so that New Englanders don't have to spend their own money.

Yes, it killed 8 people - today. And, it will kill 8 people the next time, and the time after that. That's what happens when you have financial and management abuses the order of magnitude present at Amtrak. There should be criminal investigations about why they let it happened, and criminal investigations into why the people we hired to oversee the management, operation, and safety of Amtrak failed to do their jobs.

Anything else I can do for you???

 

[Yurt]

the guy has no clue what he is talking about in this thread....heck, he blamed me personally for the crash

More proof of your dishonesty.

I asked you to accept responsibility for supporting tax cuts and spending cuts that prevented Amtrak from fully implementing PTC that would have prevented this crash.

That you have to distort what I actually posted is typical of someone who lacks integrity.

i asked you if the engineer has any responsibility for the crash. i asked you to provide proof that spending cuts were responsible.

you refuse to answer and refuse to provide proof.

what did i distort?

are you jakestarkey's sock puppet?

Read and learn!

This Is Why Amtrak Funding Is So Difficult For Congress

In Washington Amtrak s funding has long been under threat MSNBC

1. i read both links and neither prove that funding was the cause of the accident.

2. you still didn't answer my question about the engineer.

3. using your logic, you caused this accident because you support engineers doing 106 MPH through a 50 MPH curve. you are responsible for this, not me.

1. Your reading comprehension shortcoming is your problem.

2. For the umpteenth time everything to do with the engineer is purely SPECULATION!

3. Your inability to use utterly logic is irrelevant.

Do try and keep up with the rest of the class.

1. the train was going twice the speed limit, but you won't say shit about the engineer, instead you blame me

2. you have nothing but pure SPECULATION that any funding cuts caused this accident....but that hasn't stopped you from passing off your speculation as fact.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Prove it!

Are you really that disconnected? You aren't aware of that? You need to go back to school, my friend.

I didn't realize you were so unversed in the subject being discussed.

If you really do need a tutorial, I'll be more than happy to provide it.

You made a claim and Derideo is asking you to prove it. Stop shuffling your pixels around and do it.

I can think of no good reason I should spend one iota of my time presenting information that you, and Derideo, are apparently unable to grasp. If you want to learn - study. Don't ask me to do it for you --- I'm NOT the Democratic party.

In other words you are incapable of supporting your fallacies and as such your lack of credibility is fully deserved.

LOL...you have yet to support your fallacies

two faced much.....

Gee, watta surprise!

Yurt resorts to lying...again!

 

[Steinlight]

The failure of Amtrak in effect a product of state intervention a and monopolization. Amtrak has no profit incentive to innovate or to find ways to lower cost to improve their infrastructure. If there were a free market there would be competition amongst companies to provide the lowest cost product at the greatest quantity.

You're not making any sense. How can Amtrak, or any company for that matter cut costs and improve infrastructure at the sametime.

If cutting costs is your only path to success "by choice,"and therefore profitability, it is in fact a recipe for disaster and will soon enough lead to the company's demise.

You are the one not making any sense. Companies make a profit by providing the greatest quantity of the good or service possible at the lowest cost. This is the only way a firm can make a profit. If they can't be cost efficient, they go out of business in a free market.


As it stands, AmTrak has no profit incentive to improve their infrastructure or become more cost effective since they have no competition and can get the government to pay for it like they want now. State imposed monopolies aren't efficient in the long run as evidenced here.

 

[Derideo_Te]

More proof of your dishonesty.

I asked you to accept responsibility for supporting tax cuts and spending cuts that prevented Amtrak from fully implementing PTC that would have prevented this crash.

That you have to distort what I actually posted is typical of someone who lacks integrity.

i asked you if the engineer has any responsibility for the crash. i asked you to provide proof that spending cuts were responsible.

you refuse to answer and refuse to provide proof.

what did i distort?

are you jakestarkey's sock puppet?

Read and learn!

This Is Why Amtrak Funding Is So Difficult For Congress

In Washington Amtrak s funding has long been under threat MSNBC

1. i read both links and neither prove that funding was the cause of the accident.

2. you still didn't answer my question about the engineer.

3. using your logic, you caused this accident because you support engineers doing 106 MPH through a 50 MPH curve. you are responsible for this, not me.

1. Your reading comprehension shortcoming is your problem.

2. For the umpteenth time everything to do with the engineer is purely SPECULATION!

3. Your inability to use utterly logic is irrelevant.

Do try and keep up with the rest of the class.

1. the train was going twice the speed limit, but you won't say shit about the engineer, instead you blame me

2. you have nothing but pure SPECULATION that any funding cuts caused this accident....but that hasn't stopped you from passing off your speculation as fact.

1. The engineer is cooperating fully with the investigation. Speculation is pointless until we know more.

2. You were provided with links documenting the funding cuts to Amtrak that you support.

 

[Spare_change]

The failure of Amtrak in effect a product of state intervention a and monopolization. Amtrak has no profit incentive to innovate or to find ways to lower cost to improve their infrastructure. If there were a free market there would be competition amongst companies to provide the lowest cost product at the greatest quantity.

You're not making any sense. How can Amtrak, or any company for that matter cut costs and improve infrastructure at the sametime.

If cutting costs is your only path to success "by choice,"and therefore profitability, it is in fact a recipe for disaster and will soon enough lead to the company's demise.

You are the one not making any sense. Companies make a profit by providing the greatest quantity of the good or service possible at the lowest cost. This is the only way a firm can make a profit. If they can't be cost efficient, they go out of business in a free market.


As it stands, AmTrak has no profit incentive to improve their infrastructure or become more cost effective since they have no competition and can get the government to pay for it like they want now. State imposed monopolies aren't efficient in the long run as evidenced here.

Never have been ... never will be.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Which tax cuts and spending cuts don't you support?

You obviously do support the cuts that just cost 8 Americans their lives.

So yes, their blood is still on your hands.

nice dodge of my question.

still waiting for that proof.....you keep claiming that budget cuts were at fault, but can't cite a single thing to support that claim. how much are you paying jakey for this lesson?

you must have already forgotten that i said the recent budget cuts by the pubs was dumb, you even thanked the post.....but yeah....their blood is on my hands and the engineer is totally not at fault.

So you agreed with all of the prior tax cuts and spending cuts that resulted in Amtrak not having sufficient funding to fully implement PTC which would have prevented this accident therefore you do bear your share of responsibility for the blame.

Too bad you lack the honesty and integrity to admit to your own greed and selfishness.

i have honesty and integrity. you're the one being dishonest by claiming i am at fault and blaming spending with no proof, no citations, no evidence. if you were honest and had integrity, you would answer my question about the engineer and provide evidence of your claims.

instead, you're just a spiteful partisan hack who makes wild ass claims that have no basis in reality.

You were given the opportunity to state which tax cuts and spending you opposed. Since you did not state that you opposed prior spending cuts to Amtrak that prevented it from installing PTC that means that you supported them ergo you bear partial responsibility for the accident.

And yes, you lack the honesty and integrity to admit to your own role. But that is your problem, not mine.

Allow me to be as succinctly clear as I can be ... I'll use small words so you can keep up. Feel free to send me $12.95 for the children's version, if you need it.

I adamantly support tax cuts that prevented the injection of funding to AMTRAK - for any reason!!

Amtrak is a failed government subsidy program that has wasted billions of dollars that could have been used for education, infrastructure, and greens fees for our illustrious leader. Supporting a failed program is criminal, or stupid, depending on your point of view.

I've listened to all this malarkey about how the eastern corridor NEEDS Amtrak. If so, then let them pay for it --- raise the price of tickets to match the cost of the service, and see how that works out. It is unconscionable to ask the farmers in Nebraska to pay for a rail line so that New Englanders don't have to spend their own money.

Yes, it killed 8 people - today. And, it will kill 8 people the next time, and the time after that. That's what happens when you have financial and management abuses the order of magnitude present at Amtrak. There should be criminal investigations about why they let it happened, and criminal investigations into why the people we hired to oversee the management, operation, and safety of Amtrak failed to do their jobs.

Anything else I can do for you???

Congratulations.

You just managed to send your credibility into negative territory.

Great job!

You must be so proud of yourself.