Mass shootings now ho hum.....

[bodecea]

What's the number that determines the mass in "mass shootings"?

Ah...and now we are at the "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" argument when it comes to mass shootings in this country. Wonderful.

 

[whitehall]

The first thing we need to do is execute convicted killer Major Nadal and then we need to restrict American Military training to Americans.

 

[bodecea]

In the last few days:

Pearl Harbor shooting: US sailor opens fire at a shipyard days before the anniversary of historic attack - CNN

Pensacola shooting: 3 dead and several injured at Naval Air Station - CNN


Nothing to see here, folks.

T's & P's

Agreed.

So why are you starting a thread about it?

STFU

Make me. Perhaps you can shoot me....seems to be the solution of record for males in this country.

 

[MisterBeale]

Hate to tell you this is a Military matter and like I wrote about the other incident the Navy will deal with it.

Mass shootings happen within the Military and remember Fort Hood?

Also not the first Naval Mass shooting either...

Another asshat who thinks if the involved party is in uniform then it's a "military matter".

No Tweedles, this is a cultural matter. It's a masculinity crisis. It's birthed out of a culture that worships death, destruction and most of all, gunz.

Adam Lanza, Dylan Klebold, Wade Page, James Holmes, Jared Loughner, et al, had nothing to do with the "military".

Moron.....for you to be right, this wouldn't have been the case...you dumb ass...

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...



Britain...
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Britain had access to guns before they banned them.....they had low gun crime, low gun murder.
They banned guns, the gun murder rate spiked for 10 years then returned to the same level...
Your Theory again....
More guns = More Gun Crime
Guns Banned creates no change? That means banning guns for law abiding gun owners had no effect on gun crime.
When your theory states one thing, and you implement your theory, and nothing changes....in science, that means your theory is wrong...
-------

Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


-----

Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.

You know...we don't care anymore. Why are you so shrill...you won. Mass shootings are just normal in this country now.

A couple people being the victim of a deranged lunatic here or there is not, "Mass shootings."

When I was young, a mass shooting was double digits.

Every year it got less and less, till now? Anything more than two and you gun grabbers call it a mass shooting. No one takes you or Micheal Bloomberg's disarmament agenda seriously anymore.

STFU with that propaganda.

 

[MisterBeale]

In the last few days:

Pearl Harbor shooting: US sailor opens fire at a shipyard days before the anniversary of historic attack - CNN

Pensacola shooting: 3 dead and several injured at Naval Air Station - CNN


Nothing to see here, folks.

T's & P's

Agreed.

So why are you starting a thread about it?

STFU

Make me. Perhaps you can shoot me....seems to be the solution of record for males in this country.

 

[bodecea]

Hate to tell you this is a Military matter and like I wrote about the other incident the Navy will deal with it.

Mass shootings happen within the Military and remember Fort Hood?

Also not the first Naval Mass shooting either...

Another asshat who thinks if the involved party is in uniform then it's a "military matter".

No Tweedles, this is a cultural matter. It's a masculinity crisis. It's birthed out of a culture that worships death, destruction and most of all, gunz.

Adam Lanza, Dylan Klebold, Wade Page, James Holmes, Jared Loughner, et al, had nothing to do with the "military".

Moron.....for you to be right, this wouldn't have been the case...you dumb ass...

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...



Britain...
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Britain had access to guns before they banned them.....they had low gun crime, low gun murder.
They banned guns, the gun murder rate spiked for 10 years then returned to the same level...
Your Theory again....
More guns = More Gun Crime
Guns Banned creates no change? That means banning guns for law abiding gun owners had no effect on gun crime.
When your theory states one thing, and you implement your theory, and nothing changes....in science, that means your theory is wrong...
-------

Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


-----

Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.

You know...we don't care anymore. Why are you so shrill...you won. Mass shootings are just normal in this country now.

A couple people being the victim of a deranged lunatic here or there is not, "Mass shootings."

When I was young, a mass shooting was double digits.

Every year it got less and less, till now? Anything more than two and you gun grabbers call it a mass shooting. No one takes you or Micheal Bloomberg's disarmament agenda seriously anymore.

STFU with that propaganda.

A "few"......isn't it fortunate that we are now in that place in America where it's such a good thing that it's not a "mass shooting" if only 2 or 3 or 4 die and less than 50 are wounded. What a wonder place to be in, isn't it?

 

[MisterBeale]

Hate to tell you this is a Military matter and like I wrote about the other incident the Navy will deal with it.

Mass shootings happen within the Military and remember Fort Hood?

Also not the first Naval Mass shooting either...

Another asshat who thinks if the involved party is in uniform then it's a "military matter".

No Tweedles, this is a cultural matter. It's a masculinity crisis. It's birthed out of a culture that worships death, destruction and most of all, gunz.

Adam Lanza, Dylan Klebold, Wade Page, James Holmes, Jared Loughner, et al, had nothing to do with the "military".

Moron.....for you to be right, this wouldn't have been the case...you dumb ass...

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...



Britain...
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Britain had access to guns before they banned them.....they had low gun crime, low gun murder.
They banned guns, the gun murder rate spiked for 10 years then returned to the same level...
Your Theory again....
More guns = More Gun Crime
Guns Banned creates no change? That means banning guns for law abiding gun owners had no effect on gun crime.
When your theory states one thing, and you implement your theory, and nothing changes....in science, that means your theory is wrong...
-------

Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


-----

Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.

You know...we don't care anymore. Why are you so shrill...you won. Mass shootings are just normal in this country now.

A couple people being the victim of a deranged lunatic here or there is not, "Mass shootings."

When I was young, a mass shooting was double digits.

Every year it got less and less, till now? Anything more than two and you gun grabbers call it a mass shooting. No one takes you or Micheal Bloomberg's disarmament agenda seriously anymore.

STFU with that propaganda.

A "few"......isn't it fortunate that we are now in that place in America where it's such a good thing that it's not a "mass shooting" if only 2 or 3 or 4 die and less than 50 are wounded. What a wonder place to be in, isn't it?

No, I find it particularly UNFORTUNATE that the corporate propaganda and mass media needs to lie and use terms that are not precise in order to make a case for something that is not happening.

Use clear concise language if you want to have an honest debate, otherwise, you are just a liar.


In both of these cases, the shooting looks to be military?

What would gun control do for someone that would have been armed in a situation where the public is disarmed and a military member is armed anyway?


Are you proposing we also get rid of guns for the police and the army, is that what you are saying you want to do, is that it?

. . . The gunman in a deadly shooting at Naval Air Station Pensacola in Florida was a second lieutenant in the Saudi Arabian military. . .

. . .the shooter has been identified as Gabriel Romero, an active-duty US Navy sailor assigned to the USS Columbia attack submarine.. .

You have picked particularly poor examples.

 

[Vandalshandle]

The only solution offered by gun nuts to random shootings, is more guns. That, of course, makes no sense because we are already the most heavily armed nation on the planet, and also the world leader in random killings. That brings us to the unescapable conclusion that they have absolutely no plan that would reduce these killings, and that they are actually very comfortable with the status quo. That, of course would change in a New York second if their own child was a victim

 

[Pogo]

The only solution offered by gun nuts to random shootings, is more guns. That, of course, makes no sense because we are already the most heavily armed nation on the planet, and also the world leader in random killings. That brings us to the unescapable conclusion that they have absolutely no plan that would reduce these killings, and that they are actually very comfortable with the status quo. That, of course would change in a New York second if their own child was a victim

Of course the answer is more guns. Haven't you ever seen the Fire Department come to the scene of a fire, hook the hose up to the nearest gas station and pour gasoline on it?

 

[007]

The only solution offered by gun nuts to random shootings, is more guns. That, of course, makes no sense because we are already the most heavily armed nation on the planet, and also the world leader in random killings. That brings us to the unescapable conclusion that they have absolutely no plan that would reduce these killings, and that they are actually very comfortable with the status quo. That, of course would change in a New York second if their own child was a victim

Of course the answer is more guns. Haven't you ever seen the Fire Department come to the scene of a fire and pour gasoline on it?

 

[007]

The only solution offered by gun nuts to random shootings, is more guns. That, of course, makes no sense because we are already the most heavily armed nation on the planet, and also the world leader in random killings. That brings us to the unescapable conclusion that they have absolutely no plan that would reduce these killings, and that they are actually very comfortable with the status quo. That, of course would change in a New York second if their own child was a victim

It takes someone with a gun to stop a person with a gun.

That logic must be too deep for you to grasp.

And if you're so STUPID as to think only the police and the government should have guns, then you're just the type of little brain dead idiot they're counting on to DISARM the public so that we NEVER, EVER have a recourse for TYRANNY.

YOU are the most dangerous type of MORON in America today.

 

[2aguy]

Pensacola shooter possibly terrorist related.

Link?

The gun violence today was a Muslim terrorist.

Link?


Yeah didn't think so.

You are confused or else simply low information.

Suspected shooter at Naval Air Station Pensacola was Saudi Air Force member

Suspected shooter at Naval Air Station Pensacola was Saudi Air Force member

The suspect in a shooting that killed three people and injured several others at a naval base in Pensacola, Florida, on Friday morning was a member of the Saudi Air Force who was in the U.S. for training, officials said.

Several law enforcement sources identified the gunman, who was killed in the incident, as Mohammed Saeed Alshamrani.

Just because he was from Saudi Arabia, does not automatically mean that he was a terrorist. People really should wait for the investigation to wrap up so they don't jump to conclusions.

They took 6 Saudis into custody....

 

[2aguy]

What's the number that determines the mass in "mass shootings"?

Obama put it at 3 dead. And a mass public shooting is a shooting that has no connection to any other crime or terrorism...

 

[candycorn]

In the last few days:

Pearl Harbor shooting: US sailor opens fire at a shipyard days before the anniversary of historic attack - CNN

Pensacola shooting: 3 dead and several injured at Naval Air Station - CNN


Nothing to see here, folks.

T's & P's

My guns had nothing to do with either.

Your culture did.

 

[2aguy]

Hate to tell you this is a Military matter and like I wrote about the other incident the Navy will deal with it.

Mass shootings happen within the Military and remember Fort Hood?

Also not the first Naval Mass shooting either...

Another asshat who thinks if the involved party is in uniform then it's a "military matter".

No Tweedles, this is a cultural matter. It's a masculinity crisis. It's birthed out of a culture that worships death, destruction and most of all, gunz.

Adam Lanza, Dylan Klebold, Wade Page, James Holmes, Jared Loughner, et al, had nothing to do with the "military".

Moron.....for you to be right, this wouldn't have been the case...you dumb ass...

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...



Britain...
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Britain had access to guns before they banned them.....they had low gun crime, low gun murder.
They banned guns, the gun murder rate spiked for 10 years then returned to the same level...
Your Theory again....
More guns = More Gun Crime
Guns Banned creates no change? That means banning guns for law abiding gun owners had no effect on gun crime.
When your theory states one thing, and you implement your theory, and nothing changes....in science, that means your theory is wrong...
-------

Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


-----

Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.

You know...we don't care anymore. Why are you so shrill...you won. Mass shootings are just normal in this country now.

Moron...total number of mass public shootings in 2018...12. Total killed...93.

Number of people in the country...over 320 million.....

Number of people killed riding bicycles....324.

Number of people killed in car accidents...over 38,000.


Do you see why your post is really, really stupid?

 

[2aguy]

In the last few days:

Pearl Harbor shooting: US sailor opens fire at a shipyard days before the anniversary of historic attack - CNN

Pensacola shooting: 3 dead and several injured at Naval Air Station - CNN


Nothing to see here, folks.

T's & P's

Agreed.

So why are you starting a thread about it?

STFU

Make me. Perhaps you can shoot me....seems to be the solution of record for males in this country.

Ummmm...no.

As more Americans own and carry guns, you moron, our gun murder rate has gone down 49%.....shows that your concept is really stupid...

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...

 

[2aguy]

The only solution offered by gun nuts to random shootings, is more guns. That, of course, makes no sense because we are already the most heavily armed nation on the planet, and also the world leader in random killings. That brings us to the unescapable conclusion that they have absolutely no plan that would reduce these killings, and that they are actually very comfortable with the status quo. That, of course would change in a New York second if their own child was a victim

Of course the answer is more guns. Haven't you ever seen the Fire Department come to the scene of a fire, hook the hose up to the nearest gas station and pour gasoline on it?

Hey, dumb ass...do you know what they do for a forest fire? They start another fire to stop the out of control fire...you dumb ass....

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

That NAS had a policy that nobody is allowed to bring guns on base even though Florida allows concealed carry. Another stupid "gun free" zone.

That didn't stop the Muslim terrorist but it did stop the people on base from having the means to defend themselves.

Filthy Liberal gun control laws never stop the bad guys but always makes it difficult for the citizens.

The laws of the state can be different from the laws on the base. Why? Because military property is considered federal property, not state.

And, while you want to spew the false narrative that the base is a gun free zone, hate to tell you, but all security personnel are armed, and there are always several roving patrols (2 personnel in a vehicle), but there are also 2 armed guards at each gate onto the base. Response time when I was on the Security Force at Newport was 2 min. or less.

The fact that over two million people that live in Florida have concealed weapon permits but the people that got killed were not allowed to defend themselves on the Federal base is not much consolation to the families, is it?

The restrictions were wrong regardless of where they are imposed.

The restrictions did nothing to stop the shooter and everything to kept the victims from having the ability to defend themselves.

Fuck gun control laws.

Gun free zones (or installations) are only gun free for law abiding people but not the criminals.

More shootings and conservatives respond with the same ridiculous lies and sophistry.

 

[2aguy]

The only solution offered by gun nuts to random shootings, is more guns. That, of course, makes no sense because we are already the most heavily armed nation on the planet, and also the world leader in random killings. That brings us to the unescapable conclusion that they have absolutely no plan that would reduce these killings, and that they are actually very comfortable with the status quo. That, of course would change in a New York second if their own child was a victim

You guys are really dumb....

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...

 

[2aguy]

That NAS had a policy that nobody is allowed to bring guns on base even though Florida allows concealed carry. Another stupid "gun free" zone.

That didn't stop the Muslim terrorist but it did stop the people on base from having the means to defend themselves.

Filthy Liberal gun control laws never stop the bad guys but always makes it difficult for the citizens.

The laws of the state can be different from the laws on the base. Why? Because military property is considered federal property, not state.

And, while you want to spew the false narrative that the base is a gun free zone, hate to tell you, but all security personnel are armed, and there are always several roving patrols (2 personnel in a vehicle), but there are also 2 armed guards at each gate onto the base. Response time when I was on the Security Force at Newport was 2 min. or less.

The fact that over two million people that live in Florida have concealed weapon permits but the people that got killed were not allowed to defend themselves on the Federal base is not much consolation to the families, is it?

The restrictions were wrong regardless of where they are imposed.

The restrictions did nothing to stop the shooter and everything to kept the victims from having the ability to defend themselves.

Fuck gun control laws.

Gun free zones (or installations) are only gun free for law abiding people but not the criminals.

More shootings and conservatives respond with the same ridiculous lies and sophistry.

Not lies...the truth......

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...