Mass Shootings. Inconvenient Facts

[candycorn]

MAss shootings are a mental health issue not a gun law isuue

After Sandy Hook they were blamed on movies and video games. That is no longer the case? Have video games and movies gotten less violent?

So what? You still consider other people's children a reasonable price to pay for easy access to firearms.

You actually make that argument with your 'It'll happen anyway' position.

Whereas none of the other developed countries have the human heart problem. Are Americans heartless?

1/2 of them are. Most of that half are apparently brainless as well.

 

[Orangecat]

 

[the watcher]

Instead of adopting policies that will reduce the firearm homicide rate, because a small sacrifice is too much for you to make for your fellow citizens.

Surrendering your right and ability to defend yourself and family is not a small sacrifice, it is possibly a fatal one.

 

[TNHarley]

So other people's children laying down their lives whilst you pluck assertions from your arse is a bargain price to maintain easy access to firearms?

Easy access? We have over 20K gun laws in this country, foreigner.

 

[TNHarley]

Another fact is that around 50% of homicides in the US are committed with handguns.

Severely restricting handguns so they were less available in the community would reduce both the firearm homicide rate and the overall homicide rate.

Here you go, foreigner that dont know shit.

Do illegal gun owners commit most gun crime?

U.S. Rep. John Faso says he opposes some gun-control measures because they target the wrong people. Laws that limit the

www.politifact.com

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Another fact is that around 50% of homicides in the US are committed with handguns.

Severely restricting handguns so they were less available in the community would reduce both the firearm homicide rate and the overall homicide rate.

The majority of those homicides are committed by gang members. You idiots have been duped into believing gun control is about community safety. Criminals do not give a fuck about restrictions. The only people who will be restricted is law abiding citizens.

 

[Blues Man]

Imagine that

Counties with almost no people have very few murders while densely populated cities do.

Thanks Capt Obvious

It's MURDER RATE that counts not the absolute number of murders you idiot.

 

[Blues Man]

And I said, the US gun laws are useless anyway.
By that I meant the prevalence of 'legal' handguns and military style semi automatics means one does not have to obey the law to obtain a firearm in a country swimming in them.

Because it is legal for those firearms to be in society they will always be much easier to obtain in the US than in other developed countries, if your pretty meaningless laws are enforced or not.

I mean, it is law in a lot of your states that a permit/licence/whatever will be issued, for example.

And why are they useless?

BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT FUCKING ENFORCED,

And criminals don't bother to get permits

 

[Blues Man]

After Sandy Hook they were blamed on movies and video games. That is no longer the case? Have video games and movies gotten less violent?

1/2 of them are. Most of that half are apparently brainless as well.

Mass shootings and school shootings in particular have mostly been committed by people in crisis or who are suicidal

 

[Blues Man]

Murders in US very concentrated: 54% of US counties in 2014 had zero murders, 2% of counties have 51% of the murders

You can examine the picture of the US counties in more detail by opening it in a new tab. The Distribution of murders The United States can really be divided up into three types of places. Places w…

crimeresearch.org

The possibility that Lott may have been in a position to disrupt research that informs grantmaking had alarmed gun violence researchers, who feared he could manipulate or withhold federal data in order to support his agenda. “I’ve seen him in different venues literally start making stuff up,” Daniel Webster, the director of the Center for Gun Policy and Research at Johns Hopkins University, told me last month.​

Discredited Gun Researcher Out at Justice Department

John Lott, who pushes the theory that “more guns = less crime,” was hired in October to advise on crime data.

www.thetrace.org

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So you can't look at the DATA and interpret it yourself so you impugn the source. All the graphs numbers on murder rates in every town city county and state are readily available.

 

[rightwinger]

It's MURDER RATE that counts not the absolute number of murders you idiot.

Imagine that

Counties where people live a mile apart have lower murder rates than cities with 10,000 people in a city block

 

[TNHarley]

Lets ban urban areas!

 

[Blues Man]

Imagine that

Counties where people live a mile apart have lower murder rates than cities with 10,000 people in a city block

And gee those counties where fewer people live have more guns per capita than the inner city shitholes where murder is rampant

Just one more illustration that it's not gun ownership that is the problem.

The problem is we do not enforce our gun laws.

Tell me what do you think would happen to crime and murder rates if every single person who was caught illegally possessing a firearm was actually sent to federal prison for a minimum of 5 years as the law requires?

 

[rightwinger]

And gee those counties where fewer people live have more guns per capita than the inner city shitholes where murder is rampant

More guns, fewer targets

 

[rightwinger]

The problem is we do not enforce our gun laws.

Which gun laws are not enforced?

 

[Blues Man]

Which gun laws are not enforced?

How about the very first federal gun law you ever see?

Prohibited persons.

Each and every incidence of a prohibited person possessing a firearm is a federal crime with a minimum sentence of 5 years in federal prison.

This law is NOT being enforced and the fact is that these types of gun charges are usually the first ones to be dropped in a plea deal by state DAs and are never prosecuted by the US Atty's office.

 

[rightwinger]

How about the very first federal gun law you ever see?

Prohibited persons.

Each and every incidence of a prohibited person possessing a firearm is a federal crime with a minimum sentence of 5 years in federal prison.

This law is NOT being enforced and the fact is that these types of gun charges are usually the first ones to be dropped in a plea deal by state DAs and are never prosecuted by the US Atty's office.

So you support Background Checks on every purchase to make sure prohibited persons are not buying guns?

Why are Republicans blocking it?

 

[Blues Man]

So you support Background Checks on every purchase to make sure prohibited persons are not buying guns?

Why are Republicans blocking it?

Only if the NICS is opened up for civilian use at no cost.

And the problem isn't just the purchase because criminals don't buy their guns the way most people do. They get their guns via straw purchases or the illegal gun market where BG checks would never be done anyway

The problem is when these prohibited people get caught with these guns which is usually in the commission of one crime or another.

 

[rightwinger]

Only if the NICS is opened up for civilian use at no cost.

And the problem isn't just the purchase because criminals don't buy their guns the way most people do. They get their guns via straw purchases or the illegal gun market where BG checks would never be done anyway

The problem is when these prohibited people get caught with these guns which is usually in the commission of one crime or another.

So you block the sales that you can block
Just because you can’t stop every illegal gun doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try to stop any

Private sales are a good source of illegal guns

 

[Blues Man]

So you block the sales that you can block
Just because you can’t stop every illegal gun doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try to stop any

Private sales are a good source of illegal guns

But not the most prevalent. And Like I said I have no problem with BGCs on all purchases but the NICS has to be made free to use for the public for that to happen

Why do you ignore the fact that the laws are not enforced and focus solely on purchases?