Marines leaving Iraq!!!!!

No. They didn't. In fact, Kofi Annan specifically called it illegal on September 16, 2004.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iraq war illegal, says Annan


Discussion on UN Resolution 1441
"This resolution contains no 'hidden triggers' and no 'automaticity' with respect to the use of force. If there is a further Iraqi breach, reported to the council by UNMOVIC, the IAEA, or a Member State, the matter will return to the council for discussion….[But] if the Security Council fails to act decisively in the event of further Iraqi violations, this resolution does not constrain any member state from acting to defend itself against the threat posed by Iraq or to enforce the relevant United Nations resolutions and protect world peace and security."( U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. John Negroponte)(The British ambassador, Sir Jeremy Greenstock, agreed. )

International Law - War in Iraq - United Nations - Iraq



You just helped prove why the invasion and occupation is illegal. Thank you.

No he didn't...he showed HOW the UN sanctioned the use of military force in Iraq!!!!

and then there's this....
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iraq/un/res-iraq-07mar03-en-rev.pdf

Iraq was in material breech of UN R.1441...plain and simple.
 
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According to US law the US must abide by all Treaties it is a signatory member of.

WRONG!... When the National Security of the United States is threatened international law DOESN'T MEAN A DAMN THING and by OUR OWN LAWS WE DON'T HAVE TO COMPLY... You got that yet?
but if it has been proven international laws have been broken?

Ps I'm a Jew, is that a problem for you?

No it's not a problem for me....and the speculation that international laws being broken with respect to Iraq are meaningless....specific UN resolutions and US law authorized the use of military force in Iraq. It was legal.
 
As a member of the UNSC we are bound by those international laws. But, given your affinity for ignoring facts I'm sure that won't slow you down one bit from shoving your head up your ass so fast your ears melt from wind shear.

Wrong again. U.S. military law and the laws passed by our Congress is all we adhere to when our own national interests are concerned.

now back to the original request.....
Show us your PROOF that the Iraq War is illegal...SPECIFIC PROOF...NOT CLAIMS..BUT SPECIFIC PROOF THAT HAS BEEN VETTED IN A U.S. COURT OF LAW AND RESULTED IN A CONVICTION.


You sound like a pack of mice trapped in a coffee can.


and you sound like you lost another argument.
 
It doesn't get any more specific than a Judge acquitting a Soldier for refusing to deploy based on the war being illegal. Keep embarrassing yourself like the pathetic individual you keep proving to be. You'll be in Boston in about 3 weeks? Great!

Oh my GOD!!! look at this pathetic ****!!!! First he says people who support the war use blood as a sexual lubricant...now he is saying the Judge who dismissed one of the charges as "duplicative" equates to AQUITTING the sailor!!!! AFTER HE SAID THE GUY WAS CONVICTED!!!!!!

CurveLight is what we refer to as a "dim bulb" meaning he lacks the basic intelligence of someone representing the human race.

I asked for specific proof the war was illegal. CurveLight thinks that if someone makes the claim "The war is illegal." that this is legal proof.

Nothing could be further from reality....just like CurveLight...it's about as far from reality as one can get.

CurveLight...YOU LOST THE ARGUMENT...get over it and move on.


Holy shit you never stop lying. You didn't ask for specific proof the war is illegal and that is because there is a ton of evidence proving so that you tried to avoid tha by demanding a court case showing it is illegal. The funny part is you didn't know that court case existed and after it was provided you still ignored it. Lol. Now you want to hang everything on that word "duplicative" and pretend you know what you are talking about.

You definately got some screws loose there pal...You better get checked out at a mental hospital. The exact words of the judge spoken in a Military court and recorded by a court stenographer.."The charge of unauthorized absence, Article 86, is dismissed as it's duplicative."

Why did he do this?

Here's why.
From Article 87
(1) Movement. “Movement” as used in Article 87 includes a move, transfer, or shift of a ship, aircraft, or unit involving a substantial distance and period of time. Whether a particular movement is substantial is a question to be determined by the court-martial considering all the circumstances. Changes which do not constitute a “movement” include practice marches of a short duration with a return to the point of departure, and minor changes in location of ships, aircraft, or units, as when a ship is shifted from one berth to another in the same shipyard or harbor or when a unit is moved from one barracks to another on the same post.

From Article 86:
absents himself or remains absent from his unit, organization, or place of duty at which he is required to be at the time prescribed; shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”

by missing movement..he absented himself from his place of duty....DUPLICATIVE....
 
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Blair is infront of the inquiry next week:eusa_angel:

Irrelevant. Nothing will happen to him.
of course nothing will happen to him or Dubya, but with the statement from the Foreign Office lawyer and others, and the fact that the 160+ cross party Mp's who tabled a rebel amendment on the legality of this farce being proven right, it may enlighten the great unwashed who in the future will be more skeptical of the efficacy of leaders with hidden agenda's.

This will prove a very uncomfortable meeting for Blur.
 
No it's not a problem for me....and the speculation that international laws being broken with respect to Iraq are meaningless....specific UN resolutions and US law authorized the use of military force in Iraq. It was legal.

Israel is currently in violation of UN resolutions. When does the invasion begin?

Under what US law did you go into Iraq? What right did you have to invade the country? Hint: You didn't....
 
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Oh my GOD!!! look at this pathetic ****!!!! First he says people who support the war use blood as a sexual lubricant...now he is saying the Judge who dismissed one of the charges as "duplicative" equates to AQUITTING the sailor!!!! AFTER HE SAID THE GUY WAS CONVICTED!!!!!!

CurveLight is what we refer to as a "dim bulb" meaning he lacks the basic intelligence of someone representing the human race.

I asked for specific proof the war was illegal. CurveLight thinks that if someone makes the claim "The war is illegal." that this is legal proof.

Nothing could be further from reality....just like CurveLight...it's about as far from reality as one can get.

CurveLight...YOU LOST THE ARGUMENT...get over it and move on.


Holy shit you never stop lying. You didn't ask for specific proof the war is illegal and that is because there is a ton of evidence proving so that you tried to avoid tha by demanding a court case showing it is illegal. The funny part is you didn't know that court case existed and after it was provided you still ignored it. Lol. Now you want to hang everything on that word "duplicative" and pretend you know what you are talking about.

You definately got some screws loose there pal...You better get checked out at a mental hospital. The exact words of the judge spoken in a Military court and recorded by a court stenographer.."The charge of unauthorized absence, Article 86, is dismissed as it's duplicative."

Why did he do this?

Here's why.
From Article 87
(1) Movement. “Movement” as used in Article 87 includes a move, transfer, or shift of a ship, aircraft, or unit involving a substantial distance and period of time. Whether a particular movement is substantial is a question to be determined by the court-martial considering all the circumstances. Changes which do not constitute a “movement” include practice marches of a short duration with a return to the point of departure, and minor changes in location of ships, aircraft, or units, as when a ship is shifted from one berth to another in the same shipyard or harbor or when a unit is moved from one barracks to another on the same post.

From Article 86:
absents himself or remains absent from his unit, organization, or place of duty at which he is required to be at the time prescribed; shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”

by missing movement..he absented himself from his place of duty....DUPLICATIVE....


Your dishonesty is purely ******* entertaining but also quite sad. You just posted the evidence the two charges are completely different but you're so selfish and insecure you pretend they are the same thing. Then you quote the judge but totally ignore the other quote by the Judge where he agreed with the Soldier for why he refused to deploy. If you knew ANYTHING about the military you would know his not being sentenced to prison followed by a direct DisDis is a victory for refusing to deploy. Instead the judge dropped the UA charge and gave him a slap on the wrist.

Look at another case of a soldier refusing to deploy:


"Stewart had already been convicted — and
reduced in rank from sergeant to specialist — of being absent without leave when the bulk of the regiment deployed last summer."

Gee. That says he was convicted of being AWOL. Then read:


"Spc. Benjamin Stewart, 25, of the 2nd Stryker Cavalry
Regiment, pleaded guilty Wednesday to missing movement on Jan. 7, 2008, when he was scheduled to deploy to Iraq."
Soldier gets 6-month sentence for refusing to deploy to Iraq | Stars and Stripes Mobile

(the two sentences are from the same paragraph but I reversed the order to highlight the two charges are certainly different and not duplicative)


Since you have proven to be incapable of addressing obvious facts I need to point out this utterly crushes your "duplicative" claim because a Soldier cannot be convicted twice of the same thing. You totally fail to be honest about any of the facts. This is just like when you claimed Ready Reserves are all Drilling Units but completely ignored the fact the RR category has several sub-categories including the IRR who never Drill. One thing you have certainly Drilled home is you are an utterly thorough pathetic individual. Who the hell is so fucked up they quote the very evidence that proves them wrong only to claim it proves their claim correct?
 
No it's not a problem for me....and the speculation that international laws being broken with respect to Iraq are meaningless....specific UN resolutions and US law authorized the use of military force in Iraq. It was legal.

Israel is currently in violation of UN resolutions. When does the invasion begin?

Under what US law did you go into Iraq? What right did you have to invade the country? Hint: You didn't....


See posts above for specific LEGAL authorization to invade Iraq. As far as the right to invade? Please see the plethora of UN security council resolutions that LEGALLY authorized un to invade Iraq.
Hint: It was legal

Oh Dr. Grump...you are blinded by your petty hatred of America and her pro-active foreign policy. Yet when the shit hit's the fan you and other european types begin to whine "Where's America???!!! Why didn't they stop it!!!???? Please try to remember if it wasn't for us intervening on your country's behalf in WW2 more than likely you would have squinty eyes and buck teeth.

and as far as Israel...why don't you put "invade Israel" in your government's suggestion box.
 
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Lord Goldsmith(the governments most senior legal adviser at the time) gave evidence to Chilcot this morning, to paraphrase, he thought the invasion would be illegal and told Bush and Blair this, they did not like it, he changed his mind just before the invasion and after a visit to the US.

This afternoon he will be cross examined on what caused his sudden epiphany.:eusa_angel:
 
Yes...they did.

No. They didn't. In fact, Kofi Annan specifically called it illegal on September 16, 2004.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iraq war illegal, says Annan

Sorry Jillian...you left out the part of the story that said this....
When pressed on whether he viewed the invasion of Iraq as illegal, he said: "Yes, if you wish. I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter from our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal."

Now...this is where the war was legal from the standpoint of the UN....Resolution 1441authorizes the use of military force against Iraq. What part of "all necessary means" is confusing everyone?

Recalling that its resolution 678 (1990) authorized Member States to use all
necessary means
to uphold and implement its resolution 660
(1990) of 2 August
1990 and all relevant resolutions subsequent to resolution 660 (1990) and to restore
international peace and security in the area,
ODS HOME PAGE

and then there is this LAW signed by our Congress...

US Government Printing Office - FDsys - More Information

The sooner you progressives realize that OUR OWN NATIONAL SECURITY and OUR OWN LAWS trump International law...the sooner we can move on.

and then theres this...if the war was illegal...how come no charges have been filed against anyone? How come there have been no trials of anyone?

Sorry...you guys just have to accept the fact that the war WAS LEGAL. Now move on.

NO ONE HERE has provided specific proof that the war in Iraq was illegal. Not a single one. I've made my case for it's legality and apparently, the the law is on my side. All you guys have is opinion...not a single fact proven in any court of law.


Hahahahaha....what a stupid mofo! You dumbass! You just contradicted yourself. If the invasion was legal by the UN then why would you need to claim US law TRUMPS International law???? You need to re-read that question. Then you continue to be a dishonest shitbag and totally ignore the part of 1441 that specifically points that resolution has no hidden triggers nor automacity and that the UNSC needs to meet and approve a military response to Iraq. Gee. Why would you ignore that.

(iam almost begging your dumbass to point to the part that says a Member may use force if they are in imminent danger. Please, please try to use that to justify the invasion because now you're nothing but a laughing stock. You've embarrassed yourself so much even your pro war buddies won't even try to rescue you.)
 
Did the UN sanction the invasion of Iraq?

What are you a Jew...do you normally deflect and obfuscate when asked a question? Please grow up.

Figures you're an antiSemitic trash heap.

Oh...the whiner of the year is on line awfully early these days....

Good morning douchebag...guess what...everyone of your lame ass CLAIMS was shot down in flames. You still refuse to admit you lost the argument...which you did beyond a reasonble doubt.. Looks like the law is on my side...:lol::lol:...so you have to attack the person instead of
show irrefutable proof that the war in Iraq was illegal..SPECIFICALLY.
 
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No. They didn't. In fact, Kofi Annan specifically called it illegal on September 16, 2004.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iraq war illegal, says Annan

Sorry Jillian...you left out the part of the story that said this....


Now...this is where the war was legal from the standpoint of the UN....Resolution 1441authorizes the use of military force against Iraq. What part of "all necessary means" is confusing everyone?

Recalling that its resolution 678 (1990) authorized Member States to use all
necessary means
to uphold and implement its resolution 660
(1990) of 2 August
1990 and all relevant resolutions subsequent to resolution 660 (1990) and to restore
international peace and security in the area,
ODS HOME PAGE

and then there is this LAW signed by our Congress...

US Government Printing Office - FDsys - More Information

The sooner you progressives realize that OUR OWN NATIONAL SECURITY and OUR OWN LAWS trump International law...the sooner we can move on.

and then theres this...if the war was illegal...how come no charges have been filed against anyone? How come there have been no trials of anyone?

Sorry...you guys just have to accept the fact that the war WAS LEGAL. Now move on.

NO ONE HERE has provided specific proof that the war in Iraq was illegal. Not a single one. I've made my case for it's legality and apparently, the the law is on my side. All you guys have is opinion...not a single fact proven in any court of law.


Hahahahaha....what a stupid mofo! You dumbass! You just contradicted yourself. If the invasion was legal by the UN then why would you need to claim US law TRUMPS International law???? You need to re-read that question. Then you continue to be a dishonest shitbag and totally ignore the part of 1441 that specifically points that resolution has no hidden triggers nor automacity and that the UNSC needs to meet and approve a military response to Iraq. Gee. Why would you ignore that.

(iam almost begging your dumbass to point to the part that says a Member may use force if they are in imminent danger. Please, please try to use that to justify the invasion because now you're nothing but a laughing stock. You've embarrassed yourself so much even your pro war buddies won't even try to rescue you.)

Even an absolute idiot can see through your lame ass claims...as international law granted us legal permission to use military force in Iraq, the President cannot use military force without the specific authorization of Congress for longer than 60 days....hence the Iraq Use of Force Resolution that further enforced the LEGAL RIGHT to use military force in Iraq.

Please continue to make an absolute ass out of yourself and continue with the petty name calling:lol: :lol: It only re-enforces that fact that you are admitting I'm correct.
 
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Lord Goldsmith(the governments most senior legal adviser at the time) gave evidence to Chilcot this morning, to paraphrase, he thought the invasion would be illegal and told Bush and Blair this, they did not like it, he changed his mind just before the invasion and after a visit to the US.

This afternoon he will be cross examined on what caused his sudden epiphany.:eusa_angel:

By what law is he basing his OPINION on?
 
I overlooked the part where the wee wee PP claimed the law says the invasion was legal. Someone already pointed out top UK law experts have stated it is illegal:

wap.cbsnews.com/site?sid=cbsnews&pid=sections.detail&storyId=6143602&index=1

Then there's

War On Iraq Was Illegal, Say Top Lawyers

I could also post 100 more links from legal experts from all over the world who prove it is illegal but why bother? Even when a US MILITARY JUDGE says Soldiers have grounds to refuse to deploy based on it being illegal you ignore that so there is nothing anyone can do but sit back and laugh at your stupid arrogant and pathetic displays of the worst kind of Nationalism.
 
Holy shit you never stop lying. You didn't ask for specific proof the war is illegal and that is because there is a ton of evidence proving so that you tried to avoid tha by demanding a court case showing it is illegal. The funny part is you didn't know that court case existed and after it was provided you still ignored it. Lol. Now you want to hang everything on that word "duplicative" and pretend you know what you are talking about.

You definately got some screws loose there pal...You better get checked out at a mental hospital. The exact words of the judge spoken in a Military court and recorded by a court stenographer.."The charge of unauthorized absence, Article 86, is dismissed as it's duplicative."

Why did he do this?

Here's why.
From Article 87
(1) Movement. “Movement” as used in Article 87 includes a move, transfer, or shift of a ship, aircraft, or unit involving a substantial distance and period of time. Whether a particular movement is substantial is a question to be determined by the court-martial considering all the circumstances. Changes which do not constitute a “movement” include practice marches of a short duration with a return to the point of departure, and minor changes in location of ships, aircraft, or units, as when a ship is shifted from one berth to another in the same shipyard or harbor or when a unit is moved from one barracks to another on the same post.

From Article 86:
absents himself or remains absent from his unit, organization, or place of duty at which he is required to be at the time prescribed; shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”

by missing movement..he absented himself from his place of duty....DUPLICATIVE....


Your dishonesty is purely ******* entertaining but also quite sad. You just posted the evidence the two charges are completely different but you're so selfish and insecure you pretend they are the same thing. Then you quote the judge but totally ignore the other quote by the Judge where he agreed with the Soldier for why he refused to deploy. If you knew ANYTHING about the military you would know his not being sentenced to prison followed by a direct DisDis is a victory for refusing to deploy. Instead the judge dropped the UA charge and gave him a slap on the wrist.

Look at another case of a soldier refusing to deploy:


"Stewart had already been convicted — and
reduced in rank from sergeant to specialist — of being absent without leave when the bulk of the regiment deployed last summer."

Gee. That says he was convicted of being AWOL. Then read:


"Spc. Benjamin Stewart, 25, of the 2nd Stryker Cavalry
Regiment, pleaded guilty Wednesday to missing movement on Jan. 7, 2008, when he was scheduled to deploy to Iraq."
Soldier gets 6-month sentence for refusing to deploy to Iraq | Stars and Stripes Mobile

(the two sentences are from the same paragraph but I reversed the order to highlight the two charges are certainly different and not duplicative)


Since you have proven to be incapable of addressing obvious facts I need to point out this utterly crushes your "duplicative" claim because a Soldier cannot be convicted twice of the same thing. You totally fail to be honest about any of the facts. This is just like when you claimed Ready Reserves are all Drilling Units but completely ignored the fact the RR category has several sub-categories including the IRR who never Drill. One thing you have certainly Drilled home is you are an utterly thorough pathetic individual. Who the hell is so fucked up they quote the very evidence that proves them wrong only to claim it proves their claim correct?

My my my...your pathetic spin is laughable even to the stupidest lawyers in the United Staes...

What you are failing to see is that there were 2 SEPARATE incidences where he was ordered to deploy...the first one he didn't show for duty PRIOR TO HIS UNIT DEPLOYING so he was charged with being UA. The second and totally separate charge and incident of Missing Movement resulted when he didn't show up when his UNIT LEFT THE COUNTRY!!!

You know how I know they are 2 separate incidences you STUPID idiot? They have this thing called DOUBLE JEOPARDY...you cannot be tried for the same crime TWICE.

Now go pout and cry to momma that big meany Patek kicked your ass again.
 
I overlooked the part where the wee wee PP claimed the law says the invasion was legal. Someone already pointed out top UK law experts have stated it is illegal:

wap.cbsnews.com/site?sid=cbsnews&pid=sections.detail&storyId=6143602&index=1

Then there's

War On Iraq Was Illegal, Say Top Lawyers

I could also post 100 more links from legal experts from all over the world who prove it is illegal but why bother? Even when a US MILITARY JUDGE says Soldiers have grounds to refuse to deploy based on it being illegal you ignore that so there is nothing anyone can do but sit back and laugh at your stupid arrogant and pathetic displays of the worst kind of Nationalism.

and since all you have is opinion whereas I have the law on my side...YOU LOSE AGAIN!!!!

Now go pout and cry to momma that big meany Patek kicked your ass again.
 
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