Mandatory, federal, gun background checks set new July record.....

TheOldSchool said:
2aguy said:
yes...another month..another record breaking month....

Biggest July to date for NICS background checks to date
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Good. Now if only background checks were required for private sales, and it wasn't legal for anyone to sell a gun to a felon.
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It is illegal to sell a gun to a felon.....you have been told this over and over......are you ....mentally deficient...?

You have also been shown over and over that current federally mandated background checks are easily gotten around by criminals who use people with clean records to buy the guns and pass the check.......if they want a specific gun from a private sale they will do the exact same thing...or, they will steal guns...

Again....are you mentally deficient?

The police catch illegal gun sellers today, the way they catch all criminals...they use snitches...I have linked to the stories in other threads.........

There is no need to have universal background checks for those reasons...

The reason anti gun activists fool assholes like you into supporting them....because they want the universal background checks implemented, they will fail, then the anti gunners will move on to gun registration...which is their goal......

Years from the day they get registration....they will do like the Germans, the British and Australia and ban whole categories of guns or all of them .......it won't happen soon, but that is the goal.....

Also, there are these side things that universal background checks will do.....

Read this and actually be informed on the topic....instead of an uninformed asshole or quisling....

How Everytown’s background check law impedes firearms safety training and self-defense



The Bloomberg system applies to every firearms “transfer.” In normal firearms law, a “transfer” means “a permanent exchange of title or possession and does not include gratuitous temporary exchanges or loans.” Chow v. State. 393 Md. 431, 473, 903 A.2d 388, 413 (2006).



However, the Bloomberg laws create a very different definition. For example, the Washington state law says that “ ‘Transfer’ means the intended delivery of a firearm to another person without consideration of payment or promise of payment including, but not limited to, gifts and loans.” Rev. Code Wash. § 9.41.010(25).

In other words, it applies to sharing a gun while target shooting on one’s own property, or to lending a gun to a neighbor for a weekend hunting trip.

Under the Bloomberg system, transfers may take place only at a gun store. The transfer must be conducted exactly as if the retailer were selling a firearm out of her inventory. So the transferee (the neighbor borrowing the hunting gun) must fill out ATF Form 4473; the retailer must contact the FBI or its state counterpart for a background check on the transferee; and then, the retailer must take custody of the gun and record the acquisition in her Acquisition and Disposition book. Finally, the retailer hands the gun to the transferee and records the disposition in her Acquisition and Disposition book. A few days later, after the hunting trip is over, the process must be repeated for the neighbor to return the gun to the owner; this time, the owner will be the “transferee,” who will fill out Form 4473 and undergo the background check.
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Safety training

Sensible firearms policy should encourage, not impede, safety instruction. The Bloomberg laws do just the opposite. They do so by making ordinary safety training impossible unless it takes place at a corporate target range. (The federal S. 374 allows transfers “at a shooting range located in or on premises owned or occupied by a duly incorporated organization organized for conservation purposes or to foster proficiency in firearms.”)

A target range is usually necessary for the component of some safety courses that includes “live fire” — in which students fire guns at a range under the supervision of an instructor. However, even the courses that have live fire also have an extensive classroom component. Some introductory courses are classroom-only. In the classroom, dozens of firearms transfers will take place. Many students may not yet own a firearm; even if a student does own a firearm, many instructors choose to allow only their own personal firearms in the classroom, as the instructor may want to teach particular facts about particular types of firearms. The instructor also wants to use firearms that he or she is certain are in good working order. In any classroom setting, functional ammunition is absolutely forbidden.
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The next article in the series...private sharing on private property, with a link to long term storage article...

Sharing firearms for informal target shooting: Another legitimate activity outlawed by Everytown’s ‘universal background checks’

Here are two things that a person might do with a firearm: 1. Sell the firearm to a complete stranger in a parking lot. 2. Share the firearm with a friend, while target shooting on one’s own property. Michael Bloomberg’s “Everytown” lobby is promoting “universal background checks” as a means of addressing activity No. 1. But the Bloomberg laws also outlaw activity No. 2. In a previous post, I detailed how the unusual Bloomberg laws about “background checks” for “private sales” constrict safety training and self-defense; and also obstruct safe storage. This post addresses another non-sales activity, firearms sharing.
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How background checks affect long term storage when owner is away and wants to leave guns with friends...
Safe storage of firearms: The harms from Bloomberg’s strange background check system
Although the Bloomberg system is promoted as addressing private sales of firearms, the Bloomberg laws as written apply to all firearms loans — whether for a few seconds or a few weeks. There are some limited exceptions (e.g., certain family members, or at a corporate target range). But these exceptions do not apply to safe storage situations.

Consider a person who will be away from home for an extended period, such as a member of the armed services being deployed overseas, a person going away to school, a family going on a long vacation, or someone evacuating her home due to a natural disaster. Such persons might wish to store firearms with a trusted friend or neighbor for months or years. Under the Bloomberg system, for the friend or neighbor to store the firearms, the following procedures must be followed:

The owner and the bailee must find a gun store that is willing to process the loan. The store must treat the loan as if it were selling a firearm out of its inventory. Under the threat of a five-year federal prison sentence for perjury, the bailee and gun store must answer the dozens of questions on ATF Form 4473. Next, the gun store contacts the FBI or a state counterpart for permission to proceed with the sale. Under ideal circumstances, permission to proceed is granted in less than 10 minutes. The retailer then logs the gun into his Acquisition and Disposition record book, as an acquisition. He next logs the gun out of the record book, as a disposition. He hands the firearm to the bailee. The process must be followed for every firearm. If there are two are more handguns, the store must send additional forms to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Depending on the state, a fee is charged for each background check requested. The gun store, of course, will process this transaction only if it can charge a fee to compensate it for handling the paperwork. Unlike with an inventory sale, the gun store is not making any profit on the gun itself.

Later, when the bailor returns and is ready to take custody of her firearms, the entire process must be repeated, with bailor and bailee both taking all the guns to the gun store, before they may be returned to the bailor.
 
JoeB131 said:
Skull Pilot said:
JoeB131 said:
Yousaidwhat said:
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It will be a real tragedy when we decide not to meekly turn them in.
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The word I was looking for was "Comedy".... It will be hilarious to watch them frog march you gun fetishists off to prison.
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I'd rather have a gun fetish than your penis fetish
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Well, at least you are finally admitting you have a fetish. There might be hope for you yet.
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I didn't admit to anything you might want to brush up on your reading comprehension skills
 
2aguy said:
TheOldSchool said:
2aguy said:
yes...another month..another record breaking month....

Biggest July to date for NICS background checks to date
Click to expand...
Good. Now if only background checks were required for private sales, and it wasn't legal for anyone to sell a gun to a felon.
Click to expand...


It is illegal to sell a gun to a felon.....you have been told this over and over......are you ....mentally deficient...?

You have also been shown over and over that current federally mandated background checks are easily gotten around by criminals who use people with clean records to buy the guns and pass the check.......if they want a specific gun from a private sale they will do the exact same thing...or, they will steal guns...

Again....are you mentally deficient?

The police catch illegal gun sellers today, the way they catch all criminals...they use snitches...I have linked to the stories in other threads.........

There is no need to have universal background checks for those reasons...

The reason anti gun activists fool assholes like you into supporting them....because they want the universal background checks implemented, they will fail, then the anti gunners will move on to gun registration...which is their goal......

Years from the day they get registration....they will do like the Germans, the British and Australia and ban whole categories of guns or all of them .......it won't happen soon, but that is the goal.....

Also, there are these side things that universal background checks will do.....

Read this and actually be informed on the topic....instead of an uninformed asshole or quisling....

How Everytown’s background check law impedes firearms safety training and self-defense



The Bloomberg system applies to every firearms “transfer.” In normal firearms law, a “transfer” means “a permanent exchange of title or possession and does not include gratuitous temporary exchanges or loans.” Chow v. State. 393 Md. 431, 473, 903 A.2d 388, 413 (2006).



However, the Bloomberg laws create a very different definition. For example, the Washington state law says that “ ‘Transfer’ means the intended delivery of a firearm to another person without consideration of payment or promise of payment including, but not limited to, gifts and loans.” Rev. Code Wash. § 9.41.010(25).

In other words, it applies to sharing a gun while target shooting on one’s own property, or to lending a gun to a neighbor for a weekend hunting trip.

Under the Bloomberg system, transfers may take place only at a gun store. The transfer must be conducted exactly as if the retailer were selling a firearm out of her inventory. So the transferee (the neighbor borrowing the hunting gun) must fill out ATF Form 4473; the retailer must contact the FBI or its state counterpart for a background check on the transferee; and then, the retailer must take custody of the gun and record the acquisition in her Acquisition and Disposition book. Finally, the retailer hands the gun to the transferee and records the disposition in her Acquisition and Disposition book. A few days later, after the hunting trip is over, the process must be repeated for the neighbor to return the gun to the owner; this time, the owner will be the “transferee,” who will fill out Form 4473 and undergo the background check.
--------------
Safety training

Sensible firearms policy should encourage, not impede, safety instruction. The Bloomberg laws do just the opposite. They do so by making ordinary safety training impossible unless it takes place at a corporate target range. (The federal S. 374 allows transfers “at a shooting range located in or on premises owned or occupied by a duly incorporated organization organized for conservation purposes or to foster proficiency in firearms.”)

A target range is usually necessary for the component of some safety courses that includes “live fire” — in which students fire guns at a range under the supervision of an instructor. However, even the courses that have live fire also have an extensive classroom component. Some introductory courses are classroom-only. In the classroom, dozens of firearms transfers will take place. Many students may not yet own a firearm; even if a student does own a firearm, many instructors choose to allow only their own personal firearms in the classroom, as the instructor may want to teach particular facts about particular types of firearms. The instructor also wants to use firearms that he or she is certain are in good working order. In any classroom setting, functional ammunition is absolutely forbidden.
****************
The next article in the series...private sharing on private property, with a link to long term storage article...

Sharing firearms for informal target shooting: Another legitimate activity outlawed by Everytown’s ‘universal background checks’

Here are two things that a person might do with a firearm: 1. Sell the firearm to a complete stranger in a parking lot. 2. Share the firearm with a friend, while target shooting on one’s own property. Michael Bloomberg’s “Everytown” lobby is promoting “universal background checks” as a means of addressing activity No. 1. But the Bloomberg laws also outlaw activity No. 2. In a previous post, I detailed how the unusual Bloomberg laws about “background checks” for “private sales” constrict safety training and self-defense; and also obstruct safe storage. This post addresses another non-sales activity, firearms sharing.
*************
How background checks affect long term storage when owner is away and wants to leave guns with friends...
Safe storage of firearms: The harms from Bloomberg’s strange background check system
Although the Bloomberg system is promoted as addressing private sales of firearms, the Bloomberg laws as written apply to all firearms loans — whether for a few seconds or a few weeks. There are some limited exceptions (e.g., certain family members, or at a corporate target range). But these exceptions do not apply to safe storage situations.

Consider a person who will be away from home for an extended period, such as a member of the armed services being deployed overseas, a person going away to school, a family going on a long vacation, or someone evacuating her home due to a natural disaster. Such persons might wish to store firearms with a trusted friend or neighbor for months or years. Under the Bloomberg system, for the friend or neighbor to store the firearms, the following procedures must be followed:

The owner and the bailee must find a gun store that is willing to process the loan. The store must treat the loan as if it were selling a firearm out of its inventory. Under the threat of a five-year federal prison sentence for perjury, the bailee and gun store must answer the dozens of questions on ATF Form 4473. Next, the gun store contacts the FBI or a state counterpart for permission to proceed with the sale. Under ideal circumstances, permission to proceed is granted in less than 10 minutes. The retailer then logs the gun into his Acquisition and Disposition record book, as an acquisition. He next logs the gun out of the record book, as a disposition. He hands the firearm to the bailee. The process must be followed for every firearm. If there are two are more handguns, the store must send additional forms to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Depending on the state, a fee is charged for each background check requested. The gun store, of course, will process this transaction only if it can charge a fee to compensate it for handling the paperwork. Unlike with an inventory sale, the gun store is not making any profit on the gun itself.

Later, when the bailor returns and is ready to take custody of her firearms, the entire process must be repeated, with bailor and bailee both taking all the guns to the gun store, before they may be returned to the bailor.
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All the gun grabbers have connect the dots issues. Indeed it is a mental disorder.........not an intelligence thing mind you.........a mental disorder. Im in the field...........30 years. I never call these people retards or morons because they are not. But in terms of thought processing, things get fucked up. It is a brain pathology. Drugs don't improve intelligence but they are massively effective in resetting the setting screws.

Truth is, that is why debate with these people is impossible...............try telling the guy at the local hospital on 10 North that he's actually not Jesus. Good luck.

Those without a mental issue.......its very plain to see that gun laws don't have dick to do with crime rates/murder rates. To t hose without mental issues, its laughable to the degree of hysteria when you think about it. Thought process disorder is very real and very misunderstood by the average American. There are huge differences in neurological function from one person to another..............these people cant help it.

And it is right there in front of you if you look closely. We have a guy on these threads that has made over 75,000 posts in just 4 years. Stop and think about that......that is one serious fucking mental disorder s0ns..............its called OCD. Thought rumination as psychiatrists refer to it. Alternative information cant happen for these people because the thoughts go in a circle..........its a brain fuck up. If you met these people and talked to them, you would be astonished as to how socially odd they are.................many are veritable social hermits ( see post count totals.....duh ). At best, they will navigate society in a job with little or no social interaction.............perhaps a cubicle. And these people know it too........these forums are their sanctuary. Somewhere they can matter in the real world, hiding in the shadows of the internet nethersphere.


Very fixable with pharmacological aid btw..............
 
Yousaidwhat said:
JoeB131 said:
2aguy said:
yes...another month..another record breaking month....

Biggest July to date for NICS background checks to date
Click to expand...

Again, it's going to be a real tragedy for you guys when they tighten up the gun laws and a lot of these folks are going to have to turn in their pecker surrogates.
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It will be a real tragedy when we decide not to meekly turn them in.
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Like the open carry guys in Dallas when the shooting started? They all ran like pussies.
 
Mudda said:
Yousaidwhat said:
JoeB131 said:
2aguy said:
yes...another month..another record breaking month....

Biggest July to date for NICS background checks to date
Click to expand...

Again, it's going to be a real tragedy for you guys when they tighten up the gun laws and a lot of these folks are going to have to turn in their pecker surrogates.
Click to expand...


It will be a real tragedy when we decide not to meekly turn them in.
Click to expand...
Like the open carry guys in Dallas when the shooting started? They all ran like pussies.
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No, they did what the police expected them to do, not join in the response. Since they were not the ones being threatened they did the right thing, shelter in place or leave the scene.
 
JoeB131 said:
Yousaidwhat said:
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It will be a real tragedy when we decide not to meekly turn them in.
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The word I was looking for was "Comedy".... It will be hilarious to watch them frog march you gun fetishists off to prison.
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