Man shot in Britain....gee, I thought they had gun control over there.....

[2aguy]

Yep...another shooting in the land of glorious gun control...

Remember....gun crime was up 4% last year in Britain...up 10% in London.....more guns are being found all over Britain....

Murder probe after man, 20, killed in east London shooting

A 20-year-old man was killed in a shooting at a block of flats ineast London.

Armed police and paramedics rushed to the building in Bethnal Green after reports of gunfire on Monday night.

The victim was found with injuries and pronounced dead at the scene of the shooting shortly afterwards, sparking a murder investigation.

 

[rightwinger]

So unless gun control can be 100% effective....we shouldn't even try it

 

[2aguy]

So unless gun control can be 100% effective....we shouldn't even try it

Nope.....the actual lesson.....you don't lower the gun crime rate by disarming the people who don't commit gun crime. The criminals get guns when they want or need them.

Another lesson...when you catch a gun criminal...lock them up for 30 years...like Japan does......

There...you learned something today....

 

[cnm]

Another lesson...when you catch a gun criminal...lock them up for 30 years...like Japan does......

The almost totally disarmed Japan. Right.

 

[cnm]

The criminals get guns when they want or need them.

Because the country is floating in readily accessible firearms.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Yep...another shooting in the land of glorious gun control...

Remember....gun crime was up 4% last year in Britain...up 10% in London.....more guns are being found all over Britain....

Murder probe after man, 20, killed in east London shooting

A 20-year-old man was killed in a shooting at a block of flats ineast London.

Armed police and paramedics rushed to the building in Bethnal Green after reports of gunfire on Monday night.

The victim was found with injuries and pronounced dead at the scene of the shooting shortly afterwards, sparking a murder investigation.

Silly, they do have gun control. No law abiding citizen can easily get a gun. That's a problem with laws- only law abiding people follow them.

 

[Conservative65]

So unless gun control can be 100% effective....we shouldn't even try it

Your answer is to effect gun control on those that don't commit crimes with guns. You want gun control legislation passed that affects those that haven't done anything illegal with a gun.

 

[2aguy]

Another lesson...when you catch a gun criminal...lock them up for 30 years...like Japan does......

The almost totally disarmed Japan. Right.

And you would be wrong...Japanese people are not criminal in orientation and they do not empathize or support criminal behavior...their society puts pressure to not break the law and to obey authority......then, they give their police and courts enormous powers over the citizens...police can stop and search you when they want for whatever reason they want...and if you get arrested...you are going to be convicted and sent to prison....


And even with that....the Japanese Yakuza used guns when they wanted or needed them......the Yakuza is more money oriented than even American criminals...but once in a while they will start killing each other...with guns and grenades...I have linked to those stories in the past....

The last Yakuza war was in 2006 and it lasted 7 years......what stopped the upcoming one in 2015? Japan put in place a 30 year sentence for gun crimes...now, even hardened Yakuza have decided not to shoot people...

You have no idea what you are talking about, this issue is beyond you....please do some research.......

 

[Conservative65]

Another lesson...when you catch a gun criminal...lock them up for 30 years...like Japan does......

The almost totally disarmed Japan. Right.

And you would be wrong...Japanese people are not criminal in orientation and they do not empathize or support criminal behavior...their society puts pressure to not break the law and to obey authority......then, they give their police and courts enormous powers over the citizens...police can stop and search you when they want for whatever reason they want...and if you get arrested...you are going to be convicted and sent to prison....


And even with that....the Japanese Yakuza used guns when they wanted or needed them......the Yakuza is more money oriented than even American criminals...but once in a while they will start killing each other...with guns and grenades...I have linked to those stories in the past....

The last Yakuza war was in 2006 and it lasted 7 years......what stopped the upcoming one in 2015? Japan put in place a 30 year sentence for gun crimes...now, even hardened Yakuza have decided not to shoot people...

You have no idea what you are talking about, this issue is beyond you....please do some research.......

The problem in the U.S. is when someone commits a crime, too many automatically start looking for an excuse as to why the person did what he/she did rather than holding them accountable for their actions.

 

[2aguy]

The criminals get guns when they want or need them.

Because the country is floating in readily accessible firearms.

Britain is now facing a flood of guns on their streets....I have posted links to the stories about the fully automatic weapons they are finding, the special anti gun task forces they have had to put together and the armed patrols in parts of their cities...

Again....moron...gun crime in Britain is up 4% in 2014...and up 10% in London......I have linked to these stories...do some research....

Disarming law abiding people does not lower the gun crime rate.....law abiding people do not use guns for crime...criminals get guns...even on an island...

 

[2aguy]

Illegal, felony gun possession sentence in Chicago...1 year....after being directed from prison to a Boot Camp.

Illegal, felony gun possession in Japan.... 30 years...odds of being convicted 99%......

 

[2aguy]

Another lesson...when you catch a gun criminal...lock them up for 30 years...like Japan does......

The almost totally disarmed Japan. Right.

This is how they do it...

Yakuza Wars: Is Japan on Verge of New Wave of Gang Fighting?



Nowadays, Yakuza gangs need to save their troops as even for a small-scale confrontation several of their members could get arrested.

If in the past, killers would get no more than 10 years in prison and upon release they would get a high-ranking position; now they could be facing at least 30 years behind the bars, which means a person's life is essentially over and that changed things dramatically, Suzuki said.



Furthermore, new Japanese anti-gang rules now hold Yakuza bosses responsible for crimes committed by lower-status members of a criminal syndicate, said Atsushi Mizoguchi, another expert on the Japanese crime scene.

"So the bosses will be reluctant to get into a struggle," Mizoguchi told journalists during a press conference last year in Tokyo.

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According to Suzuki, contemporary mafia wars have become very different from what they used to be in the past after the government in recent years introduced very strict penalties for the use of both firearms and bladed-weapons.

"Penalties for the use of firearms have become very strict, that's why mafia leaders began asking their fighters not to use knives or firearms… the decisive factor here was the increased pressure from Japanese authorities, as for the use of lethal weapons one could face a life sentence," Suzuki told Spuntik. That's why modern mafia confrontations usually occur without a single shot fired, Suzuki explained.

Read more: Yakuza Wars: Is Japan on Verge of New Wave of Gang Fighting?

 

[rightwinger]

So unless gun control can be 100% effective....we shouldn't even try it

Nope.....the actual lesson.....you don't lower the gun crime rate by disarming the people who don't commit gun crime. The criminals get guns when they want or need them.

Another lesson...when you catch a gun criminal...lock them up for 30 years...like Japan does......

There...you learned something today....

Why don't we compare the murder rate in Britain to our own?

 

[2aguy]

So unless gun control can be 100% effective....we shouldn't even try it

Nope.....the actual lesson.....you don't lower the gun crime rate by disarming the people who don't commit gun crime. The criminals get guns when they want or need them.

Another lesson...when you catch a gun criminal...lock them up for 30 years...like Japan does......

There...you learned something today....

Why don't we compare the murder rate in Britain to our own?

that would be useless...why?

Before Britain confiscated their guns their gun crime and gun murder rate were already lower than ours...in fact...our non gun murder rate was higher and still is, higher, than theirs.....

For your point to have any validity at all.....they would have to have had a high gun crime rate and then after the confication the gun crime rate would have had to go down....

Neither thing happened....after the confiscation and banning in the 1990s...the gun crime rate spiked......then it returned to the same level as before....there was no change. So they went from an already low gun crime rate...to the same gun crime rate after the gun confiscation.......

Now.....with the influx of foreigners who do not share British values.....gun crime is going up, 4% last year over all...and 10% in Britain....according to your question this should not have happened....at all......

And as I have posted...illegal guns are flooding British streets...as reported by the police over there...and as the links to their press have shown......

Their criminals are also less prone to commit murder culturally than American criminals......that is British nationals.....they shoot people but don't murder as often. The new immigrants.....right now they are bad shots but are more than willing to shoot.....

So....you have no clue what you are asking or how things work there....

 

[2aguy]

So unless gun control can be 100% effective....we shouldn't even try it

Nope.....the actual lesson.....you don't lower the gun crime rate by disarming the people who don't commit gun crime. The criminals get guns when they want or need them.

Another lesson...when you catch a gun criminal...lock them up for 30 years...like Japan does......

There...you learned something today....

Why don't we compare the murder rate in Britain to our own?

This is what you need to understand....their gun control laws only disarmed law abiding people....their criminals have guns.....and use them when they want to or need to.....

Rising number of guns being smuggled into UK, Metropolitan police say

More guns are being seized in cities across Britain as the number of firearms being smuggled into the country increases, Britain’s most senior police officer has said.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, the Metropolitan police commissioner, told a hearing at London’s City Hall that a rise in gun crime in the capital was being put down to an increase in the number of weapons coming into the country.

The Met seized a “worrying” record number of weapons in 2015, including semiautomatic guns, Hogan-Howe said.

“We’ve seized more firearms than ever before,” he said. “In the previous year [2015] we’ve seized 714 guns – that’s around two per day. In a city this size, that’s a worrying number. This is an increase on previous years. Some of them are semiautomatic weapons, too.

“If you look around the big cities of the country, they are seeing a similar profile. Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds, Liverpool – they are seeing big rises as well.”

 

[2aguy]

So unless gun control can be 100% effective....we shouldn't even try it

Nope.....the actual lesson.....you don't lower the gun crime rate by disarming the people who don't commit gun crime. The criminals get guns when they want or need them.

Another lesson...when you catch a gun criminal...lock them up for 30 years...like Japan does......

There...you learned something today....

Why don't we compare the murder rate in Britain to our own?

And here you go....

Firearms: cheap, easy to get and on a street near you

Most buyers are involved with drug dealing, the source said. Some are used to rob other dealers in crimes that go unreported, others are used as protection while a deal is under way. "Someone will have a tool and there is always one guy in a posse willing to use it. They will have one guy who doesn't give a fuck.

"Everyone wants to be a gangster now, mainly the kids. You have five or six in a little crew and one of them will be carrying. They want handguns - shotguns are too big and bulky. The sawn-off doesn't look so good but use a machine gun and you get known as a heavy guy. They have them just to be a chap on the street, to pose. Some of them walk around all day with a .38. It's 16-year-olds at it and it's getting like America, silly as it sounds."

In terms of nationalities, the influx of eastern European criminals has changed the balance of power. "Who's using the guns? The [Jamaican] Yardies' value for life was so minimal that they thought nothing of killing people," said the source. "We don't like them, they have no moral code. But it's the Russians and the Polish and Albanians around now. They are bullies. They want to take over the flesh business. The Russians are cold-hearted fuckers. What they have been doing is following the card boys [who put cards advertising prostitutes in phone booths in central London] and then taking the girls hostage, armed if need be."

 

[2aguy]

So unless gun control can be 100% effective....we shouldn't even try it

This is what you have to look at, not the murder rate....

Armed police to patrol shooting ‘hotspots’ in Newham, Hackney, Haringey, Brent, Lambeth and Southwark

Armed police patrols will target gun crime hotspots across the capital after a rise in the number of shootings, as Scotland Yard says there are more guns on the streets.

----Scotland Yard said the majority of shootings last year involved handguns. In 2015, 56% were handguns, 27% shotguns, 2% automatic weapons and 15% unknown or converted imitations.

Among victims 42% had links to gangs, and half of victims had links to drug dealing.

Sir Bernard said the rise in shootings nationally suggests that more weapons are getting on to the streets.

“The potential is that more guns have got through than we’ve known about and they’ve got in to the hands of criminals.

That’s the best explanation at the moment. “Clearly in some areas there is a gang element to it but that doesn’t account for all of it.

The fact that we’re seeing it across the country in the big cities probably indicates that we’re talking about more supply.” He warned that terrorists could go to criminal sources to buy guns.

“As we’ve seen in Europe, particularly looking at France and Belgium, if we allow easy access or allow any liberal approach to the possession of firearms for criminals, then it allows the possibility that terrorists get hold of it.Terrorists are generally going to go to a criminal source to supply them, there’s no way we want that to happen in Britain.”

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Another story.....


Rise in UK firearms trade may provide terrorists with weapons, say police


Police have warned that the supply of guns to criminals in the UK has increased, adding to fears that weapons may be sold on to terrorists wanting to stage a Paris-style attack in Britain.

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He added: “The French and the Belgians accept that in the last 10 years criminals have got more access to weapons, particularly automatic weapons, who have then been the source for the terrorists. If your general supply is higher, the chances of a terrorist getting hold of them are also higher.”

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Hogan-Howe said there were more illegal guns on the streets and said the rise in shootings in the last three months was significant:

“The fact that we’re seeing it across the country in the big cities probably indicates that we’re talking about more supply.” Nationally, there has been an increase of around 19% in firearms discharges since 2013-14, with London also experiencing roughly that level of increase.

 

[cnm]

You have no idea what you are talking about, this issue is beyond you....please do some research.......

What? Japan is not almost totally disarmed?

 

[cnm]

Disarming law abiding people does not lower the gun crime rate.....law abiding people do not use guns for crime...criminals get guns...even on an island...

So the Japanese will have a very high firearm crime rate. Right.

 

[cnm]

'Some of them are semiautomatic weapons, too.'

Hilarity.