Man fires handgun at teens who said they mistakenly pulled in his Va. driveway: Deputies

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/man-fires-handgun-at-teens-who-said-they-mistakenly-pulled-in-his-va-driveway-deputies/ar-AAYXE0K?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2f5ae99e9b0f40e99094b68f895f80fd

From the Article:

"A Spotsylvania County man is facing charges after deputies said he fired a gun into a vehicle occupied by three teens who said they wound up in his driveway by accident.

Spotsylvania County deputies were called to the 6300 block of Grace Hill for a dispute. They were met at the address by Brent Alford, 49, of Spotsylvania County, who told deputies he noticed a vehicle was parked in his driveway.

Armed with a handgun, Alford went to investigate, deputies said. Inside the vehicle were three teen siblings, aged 17, 16 and 15, who said they were lost and had driven down Alford's driveway by mistake.

The teens were attempting to find a party near Alford's home, they told deputies, and were attempting to turn around in the driveway when Alford began banging on the vehicle window and yelling at them.

The 17-year-old driver was startled and quickly attempted to drive away, deputies said. According to the report, Alford fired one round from his handgun into the back of the vehicle, hitting the trunk.

The bullet traveled through the taillight and hit items in the trunk before landing in the center of the back passenger area under the seat cushion.

The two teens in the backseat were not injured, authorities said.

Alford was taken into custody and transported to the Rappahannock Regional Jail under no bond. He's charged with three counts of shooting into an occupied vehicle and one count of reckless handling of a firearm."



OP Comments:

This particular story hits close to home. We have a 700 foot driveway, paved and wooded on both sides. Although the homes in my "development" are all properties over seven acres and spread far apart, we have a shared entrance to the neighborhood with mail and package delivery boxes. Our driveway is clearly marked private, no trespassing, security system. The reason(s) for an unknown or random vehicle to come all the way down our driveway are few. Food, furniture or large package delivery are about it. When we first looked at our place my wife commented on how there'd be pretty much no justifiable reason for a random vehicle to end up at our front door or even halfway down our driveway and not be up to no good.

Of course, I try to be a fairly reasonable guy. I mean, if someone genuinely ended up down our driveway by mistake, they were lost or just had a sudden brain fart, well I wouldn't open fire unless they gave me a good reason. The thing is, with modern GPS technology on every smartphone it's kind of difficult to believe people would actually get lost up the wrong, really long driveway. So anyway, I think about what the gentleman in the above article went through—I think about it all the time, having to deal with a similar situation and how to react and not end up in jail like he did.

All of that being said, I don't think we're getting the full story here about what happened. I looked up the guy's address on Google Maps and the dude has a 400 foot long driveway. I'm guessing he and his wife think the same as my wife and I: no random stranger(s) should be showing up down our long, long driveways. What I think we have here are the accounting of events given to police by the three teens, and we have yet to hear the property owner's side of the story. I also looked up the property owner on Facebook and his political vociferousness on Facebook is not going to help his case here. He's a Marine veteran, pro-Second A, the whole usual country boy republican patriotic type, same as myself save for my being an Army vet. Looks like it could go really, really bad for the guy.
 
Link:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/man-fires-handgun-at-teens-who-said-they-mistakenly-pulled-in-his-va-driveway-deputies/ar-AAYXE0K?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2f5ae99e9b0f40e99094b68f895f80fd

From the Article:

"A Spotsylvania County man is facing charges after deputies said he fired a gun into a vehicle occupied by three teens who said they wound up in his driveway by accident.

Spotsylvania County deputies were called to the 6300 block of Grace Hill for a dispute. They were met at the address by Brent Alford, 49, of Spotsylvania County, who told deputies he noticed a vehicle was parked in his driveway.

Armed with a handgun, Alford went to investigate, deputies said. Inside the vehicle were three teen siblings, aged 17, 16 and 15, who said they were lost and had driven down Alford's driveway by mistake.

The teens were attempting to find a party near Alford's home, they told deputies, and were attempting to turn around in the driveway when Alford began banging on the vehicle window and yelling at them.

The 17-year-old driver was startled and quickly attempted to drive away, deputies said. According to the report, Alford fired one round from his handgun into the back of the vehicle, hitting the trunk.

The bullet traveled through the taillight and hit items in the trunk before landing in the center of the back passenger area under the seat cushion.

The two teens in the backseat were not injured, authorities said.

Alford was taken into custody and transported to the Rappahannock Regional Jail under no bond. He's charged with three counts of shooting into an occupied vehicle and one count of reckless handling of a firearm."



OP Comments:

This particular story hits close to home. We have a 700 foot driveway, paved and wooded on both sides. Although the homes in my "development" are all properties over seven acres and spread far apart, we have a shared entrance to the neighborhood with mail and package delivery boxes. Our driveway is clearly marked private, no trespassing, security system. The reason(s) for an unknown or random vehicle to come all the way down our driveway are few. Food, furniture or large package delivery are about it. When we first looked at our place my wife commented on how there'd be pretty much no justifiable reason for a random vehicle to end up at our front door or even halfway down our driveway and not be up to no good.

Of course, I try to be a fairly reasonable guy. I mean, if someone genuinely ended up down our driveway by mistake, they were lost or just had a sudden brain fart, well I wouldn't open fire unless they gave me a good reason. The thing is, with modern GPS technology on every smartphone it's kind of difficult to believe people would actually get lost up the wrong, really long driveway. So anyway, I think about what the gentleman in the above article went through—I think about it all the time, having to deal with a similar situation and how to react and not end up in jail like he did.

All of that being said, I don't think we're getting the full story here about what happened. I looked up the guy's address on Google Maps and the dude has a 400 foot long driveway. I'm guessing he and his wife think the same as my wife and I: no random stranger(s) should be showing up down our long, long driveways. What I think we have here are the accounting of events given to police by the three teens, and we have yet to hear the property owner's side of the story. I also looked up the property owner on Facebook and his political vociferousness on Facebook is not going to help his case here. He's a Marine veteran, pro-Second A, the whole usual country boy republican patriotic type, same as myself save for my being an Army vet. Looks like it could go really, really bad for the guy.

Having once owned a lake cabin with along drive (1/4 mile) I, like you, thought it impossible for a person to accidentally appear in front of the house, until it was pointed out that there was no place to turn around until they got all the way to the end. Of course, a person might realize they were on the wrong rout, but backing out of an extended drive doesn't always seem practical. I widened an area enough to turn around, and put a PRIVATE ROAD sign up, and never had another lost stranger at my door.
 
Link:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/man-fires-handgun-at-teens-who-said-they-mistakenly-pulled-in-his-va-driveway-deputies/ar-AAYXE0K?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2f5ae99e9b0f40e99094b68f895f80fd

From the Article:

"A Spotsylvania County man is facing charges after deputies said he fired a gun into a vehicle occupied by three teens who said they wound up in his driveway by accident.

Spotsylvania County deputies were called to the 6300 block of Grace Hill for a dispute. They were met at the address by Brent Alford, 49, of Spotsylvania County, who told deputies he noticed a vehicle was parked in his driveway.

Armed with a handgun, Alford went to investigate, deputies said. Inside the vehicle were three teen siblings, aged 17, 16 and 15, who said they were lost and had driven down Alford's driveway by mistake.

The teens were attempting to find a party near Alford's home, they told deputies, and were attempting to turn around in the driveway when Alford began banging on the vehicle window and yelling at them.

The 17-year-old driver was startled and quickly attempted to drive away, deputies said. According to the report, Alford fired one round from his handgun into the back of the vehicle, hitting the trunk.

The bullet traveled through the taillight and hit items in the trunk before landing in the center of the back passenger area under the seat cushion.

The two teens in the backseat were not injured, authorities said.

Alford was taken into custody and transported to the Rappahannock Regional Jail under no bond. He's charged with three counts of shooting into an occupied vehicle and one count of reckless handling of a firearm."



OP Comments:

This particular story hits close to home. We have a 700 foot driveway, paved and wooded on both sides. Although the homes in my "development" are all properties over seven acres and spread far apart, we have a shared entrance to the neighborhood with mail and package delivery boxes. Our driveway is clearly marked private, no trespassing, security system. The reason(s) for an unknown or random vehicle to come all the way down our driveway are few. Food, furniture or large package delivery are about it. When we first looked at our place my wife commented on how there'd be pretty much no justifiable reason for a random vehicle to end up at our front door or even halfway down our driveway and not be up to no good.

Of course, I try to be a fairly reasonable guy. I mean, if someone genuinely ended up down our driveway by mistake, they were lost or just had a sudden brain fart, well I wouldn't open fire unless they gave me a good reason. The thing is, with modern GPS technology on every smartphone it's kind of difficult to believe people would actually get lost up the wrong, really long driveway. So anyway, I think about what the gentleman in the above article went through—I think about it all the time, having to deal with a similar situation and how to react and not end up in jail like he did.

All of that being said, I don't think we're getting the full story here about what happened. I looked up the guy's address on Google Maps and the dude has a 400 foot long driveway. I'm guessing he and his wife think the same as my wife and I: no random stranger(s) should be showing up down our long, long driveways. What I think we have here are the accounting of events given to police by the three teens, and we have yet to hear the property owner's side of the story. I also looked up the property owner on Facebook and his political vociferousness on Facebook is not going to help his case here. He's a Marine veteran, pro-Second A, the whole usual country boy republican patriotic type, same as myself save for my being an Army vet. Looks like it could go really, really bad for the guy.

Regardless of what they were there for, you only use deadly force if your life or safety are in jeopardy. It's jokers like this that give the rest of us gun owners a bad name. Lock him up for attempted murder, make sure he's on the federal do not sell list so he can no longer own a firearm, and let him serve as an example to any other clown that would risk killing kids over "what he thought."
 
Having once owned a lake cabin with along drive (1/4 mile) I, like you, thought it impossible for a person to accidentally appear in front of the house, until it was pointed out that there was no place to turn around until they got all the way to the end. Of course, a person might realize they were on the wrong rout, but backing out of an extended drive doesn't always seem practical. I widened an area enough to turn around, and put a PRIVATE ROAD sign up, and never had another lost stranger at my door.

THat's why night-son needs to recalibrate his threat meter. So he doesnt shoot a Census taker or a neighbor or his pastor. With multiple drives CONNECTING to the main road -- the probability of someone wanting a NEIGHBORS driveway is pretty damn high. And they are probably ALL POSTED as "private".

Long PRIVATE roads/driveways are NOT generally ON a lot of Nav systems, The Garmin I have gets useless once I enter the 40 acre Gun Club for sporting clays. And because I just joined a year ago -- I COULD get lost in there and not be able to turn around.
 
Regardless of what they were there for, you only use deadly force if your life or safety are in jeopardy. It's jokers like this that give the rest of us gun owners a bad name. Lock him up for attempted murder, make sure he's on the federal do not sell list so he can no longer own a firearm, and let him serve as an example to any other clown that would risk killing kids over "what he thought."

While I agree with all of your points, we don't know the entire story yet, perhaps. Who knows what really went down. Perhaps one of the teens brandished a firearm (in which case I myself would have been booking for cover). IF the provided chain of events is ALL that went down then sure, the guy needs to be locked up. Maybe more details will come out.
 
Regardless of what they were there for, you only use deadly force if your life or safety are in jeopardy. It's jokers like this that give the rest of us gun owners a bad name. Lock him up for attempted murder, make sure he's on the federal do not sell list so he can no longer own a firearm, and let him serve as an example to any other clown that would risk killing kids over "what he thought."
if all those kids did was turn into his driveway and made no threats and then the property owner opened fire on them he should be charged with attempted murder ...
 
I mean, last week I wanted to get shed of a jackass who was riding my ass on the two-lane in a situation where it was unsafe to pass, so I turned in to somebody's driveway. Glad the homeowner didn't come waving his gun at me.
 
I mean, last week I wanted to get shed of a jackass who was riding my ass on the two-lane in a situation where it was unsafe to pass, so I turned in to somebody's driveway. Glad the homeowner didn't come waving his gun at me.
Well.....do you look like a car full of gang members from Chicago?

These folks spent the last few years breaking into stores, beating up old people, dancing on cop cars, and shooting babies......and they wonder why people have a problem with them showing up at their house.
 
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While I agree with all of your points, we don't know the entire story yet, perhaps. Who knows what really went down. Perhaps one of the teens brandished a firearm (in which case I myself would have been booking for cover). IF the provided chain of events is ALL that went down then sure, the guy needs to be locked up. Maybe more details will come out.

In any given topic we don't know the entire story because usually they are posted as soon as they come out. All we can do is opine on what's in front of us.

That being said, your OP points out the man was arrested and held without bond which means it's a pretty serious charge and the judge was not sure about the risk he posed to the public. That alone tells me it was not anything near a self-defense case.
 
Well.....do you look like a car full of gang members from Chicago?

These folks spent the last few years breaking into stores, beating up old people, dancing on cop cars, and shooting babies......and they wonder why people have a problem with them showing up at their house.

At least you're not hiding your racism anymore.
 
In any given topic we don't know the entire story because usually they are posted as soon as they come out. All we can do is opine on what's in front of us.

That being said, your OP points out the man was arrested and held without bond which means it's a pretty serious charge and the judge was not sure about the risk he posed to the public. That alone tells me it was not anything near a self-defense case.
I think he mouthed off to the kids.....and they mouthed off back....and they laid a patch and he shot at them.
 
At least you're not hiding your racism anymore.
That's not racism. That's just pointing out the obvious.

Racism would be giving these folks a pass because of their race.

I think there are alot of hotheads out there ready to go off......and I think the Dems need to STFU and stop using inflammatory rhetoric designed to cause incidents like this.
 
Well.....do you look like a car full of gang members from Chicago?

These folks spent the last few years breaking into stores, beating up old people, dancing on cop cars, and shooting babies......and they wonder why people have a problem with them showing up at their house.

still no excuse for shooting at people just for coming up a driveway ... i mean apparently since the car was shot in the rear they were leaving ..
 

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