Man blocks black delivery driver in Oklahoma neighborhood

The law calls that harassment.
I don't know any of the details but unless this was the first delivery ever made into this gated kingdom (don't know how the mail was delivered every single day) aside from the men in the truck being black, I don't see
how this delivery was so exceptionally suspicious and different from all others.

I hate to use the black card but in this instance I don't see any reason to detain these two workers other than the fact they are black in it's in Oklahoma.
 
I think the driver could have provided that information however holding the men hostage for
an excessive length of time was also wrong and ill advised.
The truck was prevented from leaving for an hour? That's ridiculous and it accomplished nothing.
You say you were a delivery driver.

Me too. I go to lots of places with lots of rules. I was once detained at Nasa Stennis Space Center for three hours for taking a picture. I didn't see the sign that said no photographs.

I didn't cry. It was my fault. I didn't see the sign, but I agreed to the rules by entering. Lots of places one enters require following rules.

This place was no different.
 
If you don't like the rules...move.
What "rules" are those? Do you know homeowners were barred from giving out gate codes so deliveries could be made each day? Or are you just shooting off your mouth to win a stupid argument?
Like I said, I've done that sort of work. I doubt you have.
Are you an idiot with zero critical thinking skills? That's not an attack...that's a serious question.

From the article:

"Miller, 42, told NBC News that his customer in Edmond gave him the code to get through the neighborhood's gate."

"All we want to know is why you're in here and who gave you the gate code," the second man said. "That's all we need to know."

After Miller refused to reveal his client's personal information, the man who identified himself as Stewart said he was calling police.
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This is what is wrong with America...a bunch off dumbasses who can't put two and two together without it equaling not five...but onion.

What's wrong are nosy MF'ers who don't mind their own business.
People dont like being robbed, dipshit. We arent EVER going to mind our own business. Your black skin color doesnt make you exempt either, so dont even waste your breath with that shit.

I'm white and in this case I'm also right! :blowpop:
 
If you don't like the rules...move.
What "rules" are those? Do you know homeowners were barred from giving out gate codes so deliveries could be made each day? Or are you just shooting off your mouth to win a stupid argument?
Like I said, I've done that sort of work. I doubt you have.
Are you an idiot with zero critical thinking skills? That's not an attack...that's a serious question.

From the article:

"Miller, 42, told NBC News that his customer in Edmond gave him the code to get through the neighborhood's gate."

"All we want to know is why you're in here and who gave you the gate code," the second man said. "That's all we need to know."

After Miller refused to reveal his client's personal information, the man who identified himself as Stewart said he was calling police.
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This is what is wrong with America...a bunch off dumbasses who can't put two and two together without it equaling not five...but onion.

What's wrong are nosy MF'ers who don't mind their own business.

That's what HOA's and their rules are about, minding each others' business.

Further, that's why they built the gate and security system for, to know who is coming in and who is leaving.

Was Mr. Stewart a "nosy mfer"? Well, yes. Although I wouldn't have put it that way. And they do have a right to know who is on the private property.
 
I think the driver could have provided that information however holding the men hostage for
an excessive length of time was also wrong and ill advised.

The law calls that harassment.


If I were visiting someone in a gated community, and I was stopped by and asked who I was there to see, I would have just told them. And I would have been nice about it to, not peevish like this doofus.
 
The law calls that harassment.
I don't know any of the details but unless this was the first delivery ever made into this gated kingdom (don't know how the mail was delivered every single day) aside from the men in the truck being black, I don't see
how this delivery was so exceptionally suspicious and different from all others.

I hate to use the black card but in this instance I don't see any reason to detain these two workers other than the fact they are black in it's in Oklahoma.
You've never been to Oklahoma. If you had you wouldn't make such an absurd statement. Please refrain from opining on topics on which you are woefully ignorant.
 
If you don't like the rules...move.
What "rules" are those? Do you know homeowners were barred from giving out gate codes so deliveries could be made each day? Or are you just shooting off your mouth to win a stupid argument?
Like I said, I've done that sort of work. I doubt you have.
Are you an idiot with zero critical thinking skills? That's not an attack...that's a serious question.

From the article:

"Miller, 42, told NBC News that his customer in Edmond gave him the code to get through the neighborhood's gate."

"All we want to know is why you're in here and who gave you the gate code," the second man said. "That's all we need to know."

After Miller refused to reveal his client's personal information, the man who identified himself as Stewart said he was calling police.
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This is what is wrong with America...a bunch off dumbasses who can't put two and two together without it equaling not five...but onion.

What's wrong are nosy MF'ers who don't mind their own business.

That's what HOA's and their rules are about, minding each others' business.

Further, that's why they built the gate and security system for, to know who is coming in and who is leaving.

Was Mr. Stewart a "nosy mfer"? Well, yes. Although I wouldn't have put it that way. And they do have a right to know who is on the private property.

They don't have the right to block him with their car.
 
Another one to file under "working while black"
"My intention was never to go viral," Travis Miller said. "My intention was to cover myself in case he called my employer and said I did something other than what I did."

May 14, 2020, 1:33 PM PDT / Updated May 15, 2020, 11:14 AM PDT
By Janelle Griffith and Doha Madani

A black delivery driver was brought to tears while recording himself and a black co-worker as they were blocked from leaving a gated Oklahoma City neighborhood for nearly an hour by a white resident who demanded to know why they were there.
Travis Miller, who delivers home appliances and furniture, captured the incident Monday in a Facebook Live video that has gone viral. The 37-minute video had nearly 300,000 views by Thursday evening and had been shared more than 10,000 times.

Miller, like many of those who commented on the video, believe the encounter was racially motivated.

Miller, 42, told NBC News that his customer in Edmond gave him the code to get through the neighborhood's gate. After completing the delivery and as they were trying to exit, a man who identified himself as David Stewart and a board member of the homeowners' association can be seen on the video questioning Miller and his co-worker about why they were on his street.
A man by that name could not be reached for comment Thursday.

Miller said in the video that he was trying to make a U-turn and that as he turned around, the man was blocking him in with a white Subaru.

"If I go around him, I'm going to have to drive on somebody's property and I don't want to make a bad situation worse," Miller said in the video.

Miller repeatedly asked the man to move the car.

"I'm not moving," the man said. "All you have to do is tell me where you're going."

Miller refused, saying he did not have to tell the man anything.

Miller said Thursday that he kept his seat belt on, remained in the truck and recorded the encounter to protect himself and his colleague.

"My intention was never to go viral," Miller said in a phone interview Thursday. "My intention was to cover myself in case he called my employer and said I did something other than what I did."

He said he also did not want the situation to escalate, because he feared that if police had responded, he would have been perceived as the aggressor.

About 30 minutes into the encounter, a second white man confronted Miller.

"All we want to know is why you're in here and who gave you the gate code," the second man said. "That's all we need to know."

After Miller refused to reveal his client's personal information, the man who identified himself as Stewart said he was calling police.

At one point in the video, Miller can be seen with tears streaming down his face. He wipes his tears away with a blue bandanna before he, too, calls police.

The man who initially approached Miller can be seen in the video calling police to withdraw a report after he got in touch with Miller's customer.

Miller said he also called Edmond police to make sure the man had withdrawn his report.

Miller said his customer defused the situation by telling the two men to move.

"He said he was sorry it happened," Miller said. "He said those guys are overprotective of the neighborhood."

Capt. Larry Withrow of the Oklahoma City Police Department said Friday that officers did not go to the scene because the original caller who reported that "there was a trespasser in the subdivision" at 4:21 p.m. called back about 30 minutes later and cancelled the report. Withrow said a third call was placed at about 4:55 p.m. by a man who said he wanted to know if it was OK for him to leave the property.

Story continued here:
Man blocks black delivery driver in an Oklahoma neighborhood


Man blocks black delivery driver in an Oklahoma neighborhood




Wow.

He was just doing his job.

What makes those men think they had any authority to demand such information from him?

What makes those men think that they own public streets?

If I was that man driving that truck, I would sue those men who blocked their truck. They had absolutely no authority to do what they did.
Unfortunately for us far too many white people with a racist bent still believe they're entitled to practice the societal normals of earlier centuries particularly stopping black people and demanding to know who they are, why they're where they are, etc. Same thing the police do

Typical slave codes
There are many similarities between the various slave codes. The most common elements are:
  • Movement Restrictions: Most regions required any slaves away from their plantations or outside of the cities they resided in to have a pass signed by their master. Many cities in the slave-states required slave-tags, small copper badges that enslaved people wore, to show that they were allowed to move about.[4]
  • Marriage Restrictions: Most places restricted the marriage rights of enslaved people, ostensibly to prevent them from trying to change masters by marrying into a family on another plantation.[5] Marriage between people of different races was also usually restricted.
  • Prohibitions on Gathering: Slave codes generally prevented large groups of enslaved people from gathering away from their plantations.
  • Slave Patrols: In the slave-dependent portions of North America, varying degrees of legal authority backed patrols by plantation owners and other free whites to ensure that enslaved people were not free to move about at night, and to generally enforce the restrictions on slaves.[6]
  • Trade and Commerce by Slaves: Initially, most places gave enslaved people some land to work personally and allowed them to operate their markets. As slavery became more profitable, slave codes restricting the rights of enslaved people to buy, sell, and produce goods were introduced.[7] In some places, slave tags were required to be worn by enslaved people to prove that they were allowed to participate in certain types of work.[8]
  • Punishment and Killing of Slaves: Slave codes regulated how slaves could be punished, usually going so far as to apply no penalty for accidentally killing a slave while punishing them.[9] Later laws began to apply restrictions on this, but slave-owners were still rarely punished for killing their slaves.[10] Historian Lawrence M. Friedman wrote: "Ten Southern codes made it a crime to mistreat a slave.... Under the Louisiana Civil Code of 1825 (art. 192), if a master was ′convicted of cruel treatment,′ the judge could order the sale of the mistreated slave, presumably to a better master."[11]
  • Education Restrictions: Some codes made it illegal to teach slaves to read.[12]
Slave codes - Wikipedia



It wasn't that this guy was black, it was that he was inside the gate of a Gated Community and was not a resident.
:th_believecrap:
 
You say you were a delivery driver.

Me too. I go to lots of places lots of rules. I was once detained at Nasa Stennis Space Center for three hours for taking a picture. I didn't see the sign that said no photographs.

I didn't cry. It was my fault. I didn't see the sign, but I agreed to the rules by entering. Lots of places one enters require following rules.

This place was no different.
Well we don't know if any rules were posted outside this gated community. I've never seen that before
and I've serviced lots of places like this. Purely by the fact that a home owner gave these delivery drivers the
gate code that constitutes an obvious form of permission to enter.

I can't fault the driver and helper for doing what they were supposed to do.
I can only find fault, and possible legal ramifications for the vigilante who held these two men for a whole
hour and once more I can't ignore the race factor here.

It's the only thing that would help explain the actions of this fool blocking the truck.
 
If you don't like the rules...move.
What "rules" are those? Do you know homeowners were barred from giving out gate codes so deliveries could be made each day? Or are you just shooting off your mouth to win a stupid argument?
Like I said, I've done that sort of work. I doubt you have.
Are you an idiot with zero critical thinking skills? That's not an attack...that's a serious question.

From the article:

"Miller, 42, told NBC News that his customer in Edmond gave him the code to get through the neighborhood's gate."

"All we want to know is why you're in here and who gave you the gate code," the second man said. "That's all we need to know."

After Miller refused to reveal his client's personal information, the man who identified himself as Stewart said he was calling police.
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This is what is wrong with America...a bunch off dumbasses who can't put two and two together without it equaling not five...but onion.

What's wrong are nosy MF'ers who don't mind their own business.
People dont like being robbed, dipshit. We arent EVER going to mind our own business. Your black skin color doesnt make you exempt either, so dont even waste your breath with that shit.

I'm white and in this case I'm also right! :blowpop:
Saying "im right" isnt an effective counter debate.
 
If you don't like the rules...move.
What "rules" are those? Do you know homeowners were barred from giving out gate codes so deliveries could be made each day? Or are you just shooting off your mouth to win a stupid argument?
Like I said, I've done that sort of work. I doubt you have.
Are you an idiot with zero critical thinking skills? That's not an attack...that's a serious question.

From the article:

"Miller, 42, told NBC News that his customer in Edmond gave him the code to get through the neighborhood's gate."

"All we want to know is why you're in here and who gave you the gate code," the second man said. "That's all we need to know."

After Miller refused to reveal his client's personal information, the man who identified himself as Stewart said he was calling police.
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This is what is wrong with America...a bunch off dumbasses who can't put two and two together without it equaling not five...but onion.

What's wrong are nosy MF'ers who don't mind their own business.

That's what HOA's and their rules are about, minding each others' business.

Further, that's why they built the gate and security system for, to know who is coming in and who is leaving.

Was Mr. Stewart a "nosy mfer"? Well, yes. Although I wouldn't have put it that way. And they do have a right to know who is on the private property.

They don't have the right to block him with their car.


And he didn't have the right to enter the community without authorization.
 
You say you were a delivery driver.

Me too. I go to lots of places lots of rules. I was once detained at Nasa Stennis Space Center for three hours for taking a picture. I didn't see the sign that said no photographs.

I didn't cry. It was my fault. I didn't see the sign, but I agreed to the rules by entering. Lots of places one enters require following rules.

This place was no different.
Well we don't know if any rules were posted outside this gated community. I've never seen that before
and I've serviced lots of places like this. Purely by the fact that a home owner gave these delivery drivers the
gate code that constitutes an obvious form of permission to enter.

I can't fault the driver and helper for doing what they were supposed to do.
I can only find fault, and possible legal ramifications for the vigilante who held these two men for a whole
hour and once more I can't ignore the race factor here.

It's the only thing that would help explain the actions of this fool blocking the truck.


The HOA didn't know that a homeowner gave the driver the gate code at all. That was just the delivery driver's story. Probably true, sure. But he should have just stated who gave it to him, and who he was there to see. If he had just told him, that would have been that.
 
I think the driver could have provided that information however holding the men hostage for
an excessive length of time was also wrong and ill advised.

The law calls that harassment.


If I were visiting someone in a gated community, and I was stopped by and asked who I was there to see, I would have just told them. And I would have been nice about it to, not peevish like this doofus.

I would've said who the **** are you?/move your goddamned car cause I have work to do, or I'm calling the cops!
 
You've never been to Oklahoma. If you had you wouldn't make such an absurd statement. Please refrain from opining on topics on which you are woefully ignorant.
You don't know where I've been. Don't pretend you do.

And I've had neighbors from Oklahoma who were the most amazingly racist people I've ever met.
Beside that I know from history Oklahoma had some of the worst race riots in American history. Tulsa race massacre - Wikipedia
They weren't even riots...they were white on black massacres.

Don't you dare tell me I don't know about Oklahoma and racism.
 
I think the driver could have provided that information however holding the men hostage for
an excessive length of time was also wrong and ill advised.

The law calls that harassment.


If I were visiting someone in a gated community, and I was stopped by and asked who I was there to see, I would have just told them. And I would have been nice about it to, not peevish like this doofus.

I would've said who the **** are you?/move your goddamned car cause I have work to do, or I'm calling the cops!


Well, why didn't he just call the cops then?
 
You say you were a delivery driver.

Me too. I go to lots of places lots of rules. I was once detained at Nasa Stennis Space Center for three hours for taking a picture. I didn't see the sign that said no photographs.

I didn't cry. It was my fault. I didn't see the sign, but I agreed to the rules by entering. Lots of places one enters require following rules.

This place was no different.
Well we don't know if any rules were posted outside this gated community. I've never seen that before
and I've serviced lots of places like this. Purely by the fact that a home owner gave these delivery drivers the
gate code that constitutes an obvious form of permission to enter.

I can't fault the driver and helper for doing what they were supposed to do.
I can only find fault, and possible legal ramifications for the vigilante who held these two men for a whole
hour and once more I can't ignore the race factor here.

It's the only thing that would help explain the actions of this fool blocking the truck.
I don't blame the driver for anything except not answering who gave him the code.

That sounds pretty suspicious doesn't it? "A homeowner in your private, gated community gave me the code...but I refuse to tell you who it was."

I'd ask myself "why won't he tell me? Because he got the code illicitly and doesn't know the name of any residents."

What other logical reason could there be?
 
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You've never been to Oklahoma. If you had you wouldn't make such an absurd statement. Please refrain from opining on topics on which you are woefully ignorant.
You don't know where I've been. Don't pretend you do.

And I've had neighbors from Oklahoma who were the most amazingly racist people I've ever met.
Beside that I know from history Oklahoma had some of the worst race riots in American history. Tulsa race massacre - Wikipedia
They weren't even riots...they were white on black massacres.

Don't you dare tell me I don't know about Oklahoma and racism.
You could have just said "you're right, I've never been to Oklahoma and I have no idea what I'm talking about"...that would have been easier and faster.
 
If you don't like the rules...move.
What "rules" are those? Do you know homeowners were barred from giving out gate codes so deliveries could be made each day? Or are you just shooting off your mouth to win a stupid argument?
Like I said, I've done that sort of work. I doubt you have.
Are you an idiot with zero critical thinking skills? That's not an attack...that's a serious question.

From the article:

"Miller, 42, told NBC News that his customer in Edmond gave him the code to get through the neighborhood's gate."

"All we want to know is why you're in here and who gave you the gate code," the second man said. "That's all we need to know."

After Miller refused to reveal his client's personal information, the man who identified himself as Stewart said he was calling police.
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This is what is wrong with America...a bunch off dumbasses who can't put two and two together without it equaling not five...but onion.

What's wrong are nosy MF'ers who don't mind their own business.

That's what HOA's and their rules are about, minding each others' business.

Further, that's why they built the gate and security system for, to know who is coming in and who is leaving.

Was Mr. Stewart a "nosy mfer"? Well, yes. Although I wouldn't have put it that way. And they do have a right to know who is on the private property.

They don't have the right to block him with their car.


And he didn't have the right to enter the community without authorization.

The person who bought the goddamned furniture gave him authorization!
Sheesh.....
 
Another one to file under "working while black"
"My intention was never to go viral," Travis Miller said. "My intention was to cover myself in case he called my employer and said I did something other than what I did."

May 14, 2020, 1:33 PM PDT / Updated May 15, 2020, 11:14 AM PDT
By Janelle Griffith and Doha Madani

A black delivery driver was brought to tears while recording himself and a black co-worker as they were blocked from leaving a gated Oklahoma City neighborhood for nearly an hour by a white resident who demanded to know why they were there.
Travis Miller, who delivers home appliances and furniture, captured the incident Monday in a Facebook Live video that has gone viral. The 37-minute video had nearly 300,000 views by Thursday evening and had been shared more than 10,000 times.

Miller, like many of those who commented on the video, believe the encounter was racially motivated.

Miller, 42, told NBC News that his customer in Edmond gave him the code to get through the neighborhood's gate. After completing the delivery and as they were trying to exit, a man who identified himself as David Stewart and a board member of the homeowners' association can be seen on the video questioning Miller and his co-worker about why they were on his street.
A man by that name could not be reached for comment Thursday.

Miller said in the video that he was trying to make a U-turn and that as he turned around, the man was blocking him in with a white Subaru.

"If I go around him, I'm going to have to drive on somebody's property and I don't want to make a bad situation worse," Miller said in the video.

Miller repeatedly asked the man to move the car.

"I'm not moving," the man said. "All you have to do is tell me where you're going."

Miller refused, saying he did not have to tell the man anything.

Miller said Thursday that he kept his seat belt on, remained in the truck and recorded the encounter to protect himself and his colleague.

"My intention was never to go viral," Miller said in a phone interview Thursday. "My intention was to cover myself in case he called my employer and said I did something other than what I did."

He said he also did not want the situation to escalate, because he feared that if police had responded, he would have been perceived as the aggressor.

About 30 minutes into the encounter, a second white man confronted Miller.

"All we want to know is why you're in here and who gave you the gate code," the second man said. "That's all we need to know."

After Miller refused to reveal his client's personal information, the man who identified himself as Stewart said he was calling police.

At one point in the video, Miller can be seen with tears streaming down his face. He wipes his tears away with a blue bandanna before he, too, calls police.

The man who initially approached Miller can be seen in the video calling police to withdraw a report after he got in touch with Miller's customer.

Miller said he also called Edmond police to make sure the man had withdrawn his report.

Miller said his customer defused the situation by telling the two men to move.

"He said he was sorry it happened," Miller said. "He said those guys are overprotective of the neighborhood."

Capt. Larry Withrow of the Oklahoma City Police Department said Friday that officers did not go to the scene because the original caller who reported that "there was a trespasser in the subdivision" at 4:21 p.m. called back about 30 minutes later and cancelled the report. Withrow said a third call was placed at about 4:55 p.m. by a man who said he wanted to know if it was OK for him to leave the property.

Story continued here:
Man blocks black delivery driver in an Oklahoma neighborhood


Man blocks black delivery driver in an Oklahoma neighborhood
Pff, i just watched the video. OF COURSE the delivery driver was acting like an asshole. Its the same thing every time. He didnt like being questioned, so he got pissy. Well, there is a price to pay when you act like that. Im glad his time was wasted. Maybe next time he will act like a civilized citizen and put peoples minds at ease. He could have solved that issue in 60 seconds, but he was a dick instead. Good, **** him.


In some gated communities, I'm sure, they don't police the rules as tightly as they do here. The delivery driver probably thought it was ok. However, that was no reason to be petulant when he found out that it wasn't. He could have just told the men what his business was, and it would have been fine.


Exactly. It was his dumbass attitude that escalated the situation.

But some people are so racist if they hear two white guys stopping a black guy it must be a racist motive.
 
I don't blame the driver for anything except not answering who gave him the code.

That sounds pretty suspicious doesn't it? "A homeowner in your private, gated community gave me the code...but I refuse to tell you who it was."

I'd ask myself "why won't he tell me? Because he got the code illicitly and doesn't know the name of any residents."

What other logical reason could there be?
Quite possibly. At that point the man holding the truck hostage should have phoned the police and then let the truck go. Why didn't he do that?
 

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