Making progress, 40% of U.S. now allows carrying a gun without a permit.

[Skull Pilot]

You can own guns. It does not say you can tote them everywhere without a permit or proper training. Property owners can restrict them on their property. Who was that evil liberal who barred guns from his town of Dodge?

It doesn't have to say so. Do you believe the Constitution gives us our rights or that it limits our rights?

but the Constitution does say "keep and bear" arms

so it seems to me you can carry firearms

 

[Iceweasel]

Slowly, we are taking back the natural right to self defense.......

North Dakota 14th Constitutional Carry State - 40% of US area now allows carrying without a permit - Crime Prevention Research Center

Friday, North Dakota’s Republican Governor Doug Burgum signed legislation making their state the 14th that allows carrying without a concealed handgun permit. The bill had passed the legislature with overwhelming majorities (34 to 13 in the state Senate and 83 to 9 in the state House). North Dakota thus joined New Hampshire in passing Constitutional Carry this year, though it seems unlikely that any more states will pass these laws during the current sessions.

Mm, not a fan of constitutional carry, or at best on the fence leaning into aganst. CCW used to be quit a serious thing. These days many are to glib about it and really, many people have CCW who lack very basic safety knowledge. There should be a process where one has to demonstrate proper carry of fire arms as well as how to interact with law enforcement. Think of how differently the the Philando Castile shooting would have went. That being said, about 98% of the cops on the street are sloppy and irresponsible with their guns. If one is clogging to carry period they should have to demonstrate real profincy in not just shooting, but also safe aspects of firearm handling. You know, the basics.

Problem is you do not know what you are talking about. That's the main problem with any gun debate. Those that know nothing are the experts. Most cops have to train and even want to. Yep, often a lot of rounds are fired but that's because small caliber ammo typically doesn't immediately stop someone. Even a heart shot won't necessarily drop someone instantly.

This is a shall issue state, meaning the state cannot impose training requirements. How about you pointing out where all these problems you speak of exist? I wouldn't knock training but it would take a tremendous amount to prepare for that life or death scenario, even then you can screw up. You think cops are careless with training but civilians will be proficient? Makes no sense.

Problem is you don't know jack shit what anyone knows therefore all you are doing is blowing hard. Yes, cops are very careless with their weapons. Far more then a professional should be. Civilian CCW in many cases are better, but not much. Many want to old carry, but end up tossing their guns in their cars because their fat bellies get gouged by the Glock 26 or hammer spur from their 1911 they carry but only ever shot one time. So yeas a demonstration of proficiency that costs money sod we weed out accidents waiting to happen .

I don't know jack shit but you know cops are very careless with their guns? You're a whack job. I've been a member of a LEO board for over ten years. Very very few are using a 1911 these days. Old carry? Never heard the term. 800,00 cops and a few negligent discharges makes your case? And they do train. Get over yourself.

Yes. Dated a sheriffs deputy for Galveston county for three years. She was pretty normal, but most of her coworkers were typical retards who need serious remedial training in safety and retention. I have seen on many occasions M4's left unsecured on car seats, Glocks pulled from holsters with fingers ON triggers, which is a serious no no on a striker fired weapon with no extirnal safeties. Yes, cops are typically no better trained then an avrage citizen is in weapon handling beyond making qualification unless they are SWAT guys.

In other words, she dumped you.

"but most of her coworkers were typical retards"

 

[Crixus]

Mm, not a fan of constitutional carry, or at best on the fence leaning into aganst. CCW used to be quit a serious thing. These days many are to glib about it and really, many people have CCW who lack very basic safety knowledge. There should be a process where one has to demonstrate proper carry of fire arms as well as how to interact with law enforcement. Think of how differently the the Philando Castile shooting would have went. That being said, about 98% of the cops on the street are sloppy and irresponsible with their guns. If one is clogging to carry period they should have to demonstrate real profincy in not just shooting, but also safe aspects of firearm handling. You know, the basics.

Problem is you do not know what you are talking about. That's the main problem with any gun debate. Those that know nothing are the experts. Most cops have to train and even want to. Yep, often a lot of rounds are fired but that's because small caliber ammo typically doesn't immediately stop someone. Even a heart shot won't necessarily drop someone instantly.

This is a shall issue state, meaning the state cannot impose training requirements. How about you pointing out where all these problems you speak of exist? I wouldn't knock training but it would take a tremendous amount to prepare for that life or death scenario, even then you can screw up. You think cops are careless with training but civilians will be proficient? Makes no sense.

Problem is you don't know jack shit what anyone knows therefore all you are doing is blowing hard. Yes, cops are very careless with their weapons. Far more then a professional should be. Civilian CCW in many cases are better, but not much. Many want to old carry, but end up tossing their guns in their cars because their fat bellies get gouged by the Glock 26 or hammer spur from their 1911 they carry but only ever shot one time. So yeas a demonstration of proficiency that costs money sod we weed out accidents waiting to happen .

I don't know jack shit but you know cops are very careless with their guns? You're a whack job. I've been a member of a LEO board for over ten years. Very very few are using a 1911 these days. Old carry? Never heard the term. 800,00 cops and a few negligent discharges makes your case? And they do train. Get over yourself.

Yes. Dated a sheriffs deputy for Galveston county for three years. She was pretty normal, but most of her coworkers were typical retards who need serious remedial training in safety and retention. I have seen on many occasions M4's left unsecured on car seats, Glocks pulled from holsters with fingers ON triggers, which is a serious no no on a striker fired weapon with no extirnal safeties. Yes, cops are typically no better trained then an avrage citizen is in weapon handling beyond making qualification unless they are SWAT guys.

In other words, she dumped you.

"but most of her coworkers were typical retards"

Mm, pretty much, but mostly because I wouldn't choke her out during sex. Fact remains, most cops lack the very basic "Eddie The Eagle" kindergarten level of firearm safety.

 

[Iceweasel]

Problem is you do not know what you are talking about. That's the main problem with any gun debate. Those that know nothing are the experts. Most cops have to train and even want to. Yep, often a lot of rounds are fired but that's because small caliber ammo typically doesn't immediately stop someone. Even a heart shot won't necessarily drop someone instantly.

This is a shall issue state, meaning the state cannot impose training requirements. How about you pointing out where all these problems you speak of exist? I wouldn't knock training but it would take a tremendous amount to prepare for that life or death scenario, even then you can screw up. You think cops are careless with training but civilians will be proficient? Makes no sense.

Problem is you don't know jack shit what anyone knows therefore all you are doing is blowing hard. Yes, cops are very careless with their weapons. Far more then a professional should be. Civilian CCW in many cases are better, but not much. Many want to old carry, but end up tossing their guns in their cars because their fat bellies get gouged by the Glock 26 or hammer spur from their 1911 they carry but only ever shot one time. So yeas a demonstration of proficiency that costs money sod we weed out accidents waiting to happen .

I don't know jack shit but you know cops are very careless with their guns? You're a whack job. I've been a member of a LEO board for over ten years. Very very few are using a 1911 these days. Old carry? Never heard the term. 800,00 cops and a few negligent discharges makes your case? And they do train. Get over yourself.

Yes. Dated a sheriffs deputy for Galveston county for three years. She was pretty normal, but most of her coworkers were typical retards who need serious remedial training in safety and retention. I have seen on many occasions M4's left unsecured on car seats, Glocks pulled from holsters with fingers ON triggers, which is a serious no no on a striker fired weapon with no extirnal safeties. Yes, cops are typically no better trained then an avrage citizen is in weapon handling beyond making qualification unless they are SWAT guys.

In other words, she dumped you.

"but most of her coworkers were typical retards"

Mm, pretty much, but mostly because I wouldn't choke her out during sex. Fact remains, most cops lack the very basic "Eddie The Eagle" kindergarten level of firearm safety.

Yeah ...sure.

 

[2aguy]

Skydiving is the most dangerous thing.

Having a pilot's license is the 2nd most dangerous.

Having a motorcycle license is 3rd.

Swimming and scuba is 4th overall, and #1 for kids.

Automobile and boat racing is 5th.

Bicycling is 6th.

Backcountry snowmobiling is 7th.

A driver's license is 8th.

Commercial airlines are 9th.

Busses and trains are 10th.

So there are lots of more dangerous things than owning a gun.

But only owning and carrying a gun will protect you from crime, sometimes. Sometimes both you and the criminal assailant will be killed, and sometimes even a gun won't help you.

If your state is a shall-issue state then it has no need to pass unlicensed carry.

And then if your state is shall issue then unlicensed carry only benefits homeless people and out of state visitors who do not have reciprocity.

Unlicensed carry makes no sense for residents.

Yes..it does....because it takes away the cost.....Poll Taxes to vote are unConstitutional......a fee to get a permit is a Poll Tax on gun Rights. Also.....just because your state is a shall issue state doesn't mean you can get a permit......the local sheriff can make it almost impossible to get a permit...like in California....

 

[2aguy]

Slowly, we are taking back the natural right to self defense.......

North Dakota 14th Constitutional Carry State - 40% of US area now allows carrying without a permit - Crime Prevention Research Center

Friday, North Dakota’s Republican Governor Doug Burgum signed legislation making their state the 14th that allows carrying without a concealed handgun permit. The bill had passed the legislature with overwhelming majorities (34 to 13 in the state Senate and 83 to 9 in the state House). North Dakota thus joined New Hampshire in passing Constitutional Carry this year, though it seems unlikely that any more states will pass these laws during the current sessions.

Mm, not a fan of constitutional carry, or at best on the fence leaning into aganst. CCW used to be quit a serious thing. These days many are to glib about it and really, many people have CCW who lack very basic safety knowledge. There should be a process where one has to demonstrate proper carry of fire arms as well as how to interact with law enforcement. Think of how differently the the Philando Castile shooting would have went. That being said, about 98% of the cops on the street are sloppy and irresponsible with their guns. If one is clogging to carry period they should have to demonstrate real profincy in not just shooting, but also safe aspects of firearm handling. You know, the basics.

Problem is you do not know what you are talking about. That's the main problem with any gun debate. Those that know nothing are the experts. Most cops have to train and even want to. Yep, often a lot of rounds are fired but that's because small caliber ammo typically doesn't immediately stop someone. Even a heart shot won't necessarily drop someone instantly.

This is a shall issue state, meaning the state cannot impose training requirements. How about you pointing out where all these problems you speak of exist? I wouldn't knock training but it would take a tremendous amount to prepare for that life or death scenario, even then you can screw up. You think cops are careless with training but civilians will be proficient? Makes no sense.

Problem is you don't know jack shit what anyone knows therefore all you are doing is blowing hard. Yes, cops are very careless with their weapons. Far more then a professional should be. Civilian CCW in many cases are better, but not much. Many want to old carry, but end up tossing their guns in their cars because their fat bellies get gouged by the Glock 26 or hammer spur from their 1911 they carry but only ever shot one time. So yeas a demonstration of proficiency that costs money sod we weed out accidents waiting to happen .

And then only the rich and connected will own and carry guns......that was not the purpose of the 2nd Amendment......you ideas are coming from a good place...but you don't understand the larger issues involved.....

This was the plan when they regulated class 3 and look at us now! I can go into any gun shop in Houston and walk out with a suppresser. I'm a mear lump of cash and a six to nine month wait time and boom, I'm shooting in my basement, but I digress. The point of having to demonstrate proficiency for both law enforcement and civilian CCW would be to be able to throw tho book at and prosecute the hell out of any man or woman who acted stupidly so that when a cop shoots his pregnant wife with his service weapon he would face charges for negoagent homicied, assault with a deadly weapon and so on. Like I said, I'm in full support and excersize my right to CCW, but when they are handing out CCW's at Tupperware parties because it's the latest fad in guns is stupid. CCW has become a status symbol and not much more. That said, you already have to show proficiency in non constitutional carry states. That should go for open carry to, but in that case the applicants should have to demonstrate a working knowledge of retention type holsters and mandates need to be put into n what type of holster anyone doing open carry can use just like cops have to.

They already will face charges....

Again.....if you mandate a training requirement it is no different than when democrats mandated a Literacy Tests for blacks to vote...it will be used to keep people from exercising their Right to bear arms....they already do this in Europe and Japan...

 

[yiostheoy]

Skydiving is the most dangerous thing.

Having a pilot's license is the 2nd most dangerous.

Having a motorcycle license is 3rd.

Swimming and scuba is 4th overall, and #1 for kids.

Automobile and boat racing is 5th.

Bicycling is 6th.

Backcountry snowmobiling is 7th.

A driver's license is 8th.

Commercial airlines are 9th.

Busses and trains are 10th.

So there are lots of more dangerous things than owning a gun.

But only owning and carrying a gun will protect you from crime, sometimes. Sometimes both you and the criminal assailant will be killed, and sometimes even a gun won't help you.

If your state is a shall-issue state then it has no need to pass unlicensed carry.

And then if your state is shall issue then unlicensed carry only benefits homeless people and out of state visitors who do not have reciprocity.

Unlicensed carry makes no sense for residents.

Yes..it does....because it takes away the cost.....Poll Taxes to vote are unConstitutional......a fee to get a permit is a Poll Tax on gun Rights. Also.....just because your state is a shall issue state doesn't mean you can get a permit......the local sheriff can make it almost impossible to get a permit...like in California....

There is no "gun right" to carry in public.

This falls under the jurisdiction of the states.

Scalia even says so in Heller.

But I know I know -- you don't read too good.

 

[Crixus]

Problem is you don't know jack shit what anyone knows therefore all you are doing is blowing hard. Yes, cops are very careless with their weapons. Far more then a professional should be. Civilian CCW in many cases are better, but not much. Many want to old carry, but end up tossing their guns in their cars because their fat bellies get gouged by the Glock 26 or hammer spur from their 1911 they carry but only ever shot one time. So yeas a demonstration of proficiency that costs money sod we weed out accidents waiting to happen .

I don't know jack shit but you know cops are very careless with their guns? You're a whack job. I've been a member of a LEO board for over ten years. Very very few are using a 1911 these days. Old carry? Never heard the term. 800,00 cops and a few negligent discharges makes your case? And they do train. Get over yourself.

Yes. Dated a sheriffs deputy for Galveston county for three years. She was pretty normal, but most of her coworkers were typical retards who need serious remedial training in safety and retention. I have seen on many occasions M4's left unsecured on car seats, Glocks pulled from holsters with fingers ON triggers, which is a serious no no on a striker fired weapon with no extirnal safeties. Yes, cops are typically no better trained then an avrage citizen is in weapon handling beyond making qualification unless they are SWAT guys.

In other words, she dumped you.

"but most of her coworkers were typical retards"

Mm, pretty much, but mostly because I wouldn't choke her out during sex. Fact remains, most cops lack the very basic "Eddie The Eagle" kindergarten level of firearm safety.

Yeah ...sure.

Sad attempt at a deflection, but I'll bring a "for instance .


Ohio Officer's Gun Discharges at Home, Bullet Flies into Daycare Center with No Injury


The officer, who works for East Cleveland and as a volunteer reserve for Cuyahoga Falls, told authorities that he was unloading his 9mm Glock 19 inside his home when it went off accidentally at 3:35 p.m.


In other words, the guy unloaded his gun by dropping the magazine and tried to make it safe by doing partly as Glock instructs. He pulled the trigger. This accident demonstrates the in importance of your avalrage cop where guns are involved. If Cops are that ignorant, how much not ignorant are you considering you think it's safe to give any joe blow a gun?

 

[Crixus]

Skydiving is the most dangerous thing.

Having a pilot's license is the 2nd most dangerous.

Having a motorcycle license is 3rd.

Swimming and scuba is 4th overall, and #1 for kids.

Automobile and boat racing is 5th.

Bicycling is 6th.

Backcountry snowmobiling is 7th.

A driver's license is 8th.

Commercial airlines are 9th.

Busses and trains are 10th.

So there are lots of more dangerous things than owning a gun.

But only owning and carrying a gun will protect you from crime, sometimes. Sometimes both you and the criminal assailant will be killed, and sometimes even a gun won't help you.

If your state is a shall-issue state then it has no need to pass unlicensed carry.

And then if your state is shall issue then unlicensed carry only benefits homeless people and out of state visitors who do not have reciprocity.

Unlicensed carry makes no sense for residents.

Yes..it does....because it takes away the cost.....Poll Taxes to vote are unConstitutional......a fee to get a permit is a Poll Tax on gun Rights. Also.....just because your state is a shall issue state doesn't mean you can get a permit......the local sheriff can make it almost impossible to get a permit...like in California....

That's an issue voters need to take up with their states and really has zero to go with stopping accidents from happening.

 

[2aguy]

I don't know jack shit but you know cops are very careless with their guns? You're a whack job. I've been a member of a LEO board for over ten years. Very very few are using a 1911 these days. Old carry? Never heard the term. 800,00 cops and a few negligent discharges makes your case? And they do train. Get over yourself.

Yes. Dated a sheriffs deputy for Galveston county for three years. She was pretty normal, but most of her coworkers were typical retards who need serious remedial training in safety and retention. I have seen on many occasions M4's left unsecured on car seats, Glocks pulled from holsters with fingers ON triggers, which is a serious no no on a striker fired weapon with no extirnal safeties. Yes, cops are typically no better trained then an avrage citizen is in weapon handling beyond making qualification unless they are SWAT guys.

In other words, she dumped you.

"but most of her coworkers were typical retards"

Mm, pretty much, but mostly because I wouldn't choke her out during sex. Fact remains, most cops lack the very basic "Eddie The Eagle" kindergarten level of firearm safety.

Yeah ...sure.

Sad attempt at a deflection, but I'll bring a "for instance .


Ohio Officer's Gun Discharges at Home, Bullet Flies into Daycare Center with No Injury


The officer, who works for East Cleveland and as a volunteer reserve for Cuyahoga Falls, told authorities that he was unloading his 9mm Glock 19 inside his home when it went off accidentally at 3:35 p.m.


In other words, the guy unloaded his gun by dropping the magazine and tried to make it safe by doing partly as Glock instructs. He pulled the trigger. This accident demonstrates the in importance of your avalrage cop where guns are involved. If Cops are that ignorant, how much not ignorant are you considering you think it's safe to give any joe blow a gun?

and yet as more americans own, buy and carry guns....our gun accident rate has gone down, not up.......if you want to help this......have the state do PSAs about gun safety.....putting in mandates gives anti gunners the power to ban guns...

 

[Iceweasel]

I don't know jack shit but you know cops are very careless with their guns? You're a whack job. I've been a member of a LEO board for over ten years. Very very few are using a 1911 these days. Old carry? Never heard the term. 800,00 cops and a few negligent discharges makes your case? And they do train. Get over yourself.

Yes. Dated a sheriffs deputy for Galveston county for three years. She was pretty normal, but most of her coworkers were typical retards who need serious remedial training in safety and retention. I have seen on many occasions M4's left unsecured on car seats, Glocks pulled from holsters with fingers ON triggers, which is a serious no no on a striker fired weapon with no extirnal safeties. Yes, cops are typically no better trained then an avrage citizen is in weapon handling beyond making qualification unless they are SWAT guys.

In other words, she dumped you.

"but most of her coworkers were typical retards"

Mm, pretty much, but mostly because I wouldn't choke her out during sex. Fact remains, most cops lack the very basic "Eddie The Eagle" kindergarten level of firearm safety.

Yeah ...sure.

Sad attempt at a deflection, but I'll bring a "for instance .


Ohio Officer's Gun Discharges at Home, Bullet Flies into Daycare Center with No Injury


The officer, who works for East Cleveland and as a volunteer reserve for Cuyahoga Falls, told authorities that he was unloading his 9mm Glock 19 inside his home when it went off accidentally at 3:35 p.m.


In other words, the guy unloaded his gun by dropping the magazine and tried to make it safe by doing partly as Glock instructs. He pulled the trigger. This accident demonstrates the in importance of your avalrage cop where guns are involved. If Cops are that ignorant, how much not ignorant are you considering you think it's safe to give any joe blow a gun?

I deflected by not buying your bullshit? You are a strange one! And as I already pointed out there are some 800,000 cops not shooting people by accident. You can't see them due to your blinders.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Skydiving is the most dangerous thing.

Having a pilot's license is the 2nd most dangerous.

Having a motorcycle license is 3rd.

Swimming and scuba is 4th overall, and #1 for kids.

Automobile and boat racing is 5th.

Bicycling is 6th.

Backcountry snowmobiling is 7th.

A driver's license is 8th.

Commercial airlines are 9th.

Busses and trains are 10th.

So there are lots of more dangerous things than owning a gun.

But only owning and carrying a gun will protect you from crime, sometimes. Sometimes both you and the criminal assailant will be killed, and sometimes even a gun won't help you.

If your state is a shall-issue state then it has no need to pass unlicensed carry.

And then if your state is shall issue then unlicensed carry only benefits homeless people and out of state visitors who do not have reciprocity.

Unlicensed carry makes no sense for residents.

Yes..it does....because it takes away the cost.....Poll Taxes to vote are unConstitutional......a fee to get a permit is a Poll Tax on gun Rights. Also.....just because your state is a shall issue state doesn't mean you can get a permit......the local sheriff can make it almost impossible to get a permit...like in California....

That's an issue voters need to take up with their states and really has zero to go with stopping accidents from happening.

you can never stop all accidents .

even the most trained most skilled humans make mistakes and have or cause accidents
accidental gun deaths are very low on the list of accidental deaths

 

[Crixus]

Skydiving is the most dangerous thing.

Having a pilot's license is the 2nd most dangerous.

Having a motorcycle license is 3rd.

Swimming and scuba is 4th overall, and #1 for kids.

Automobile and boat racing is 5th.

Bicycling is 6th.

Backcountry snowmobiling is 7th.

A driver's license is 8th.

Commercial airlines are 9th.

Busses and trains are 10th.

So there are lots of more dangerous things than owning a gun.

But only owning and carrying a gun will protect you from crime, sometimes. Sometimes both you and the criminal assailant will be killed, and sometimes even a gun won't help you.

If your state is a shall-issue state then it has no need to pass unlicensed carry.

And then if your state is shall issue then unlicensed carry only benefits homeless people and out of state visitors who do not have reciprocity.

Unlicensed carry makes no sense for residents.

Yes..it does....because it takes away the cost.....Poll Taxes to vote are unConstitutional......a fee to get a permit is a Poll Tax on gun Rights. Also.....just because your state is a shall issue state doesn't mean you can get a permit......the local sheriff can make it almost impossible to get a permit...like in California....

That's an issue voters need to take up with their states and really has zero to go with stopping accidents from happening.

you can never stop all accidents .

even the most trained most skilled humans make mistakes and have or cause accidents
accidental gun deaths are very low on the list of accidental deaths

Deaths are low, ND's happen all the time. The point is sure, driving a car is dangerous, but you have to demonstrate proficiency at doing it before you get to drive. Not so much for your safety, but for the safety of others who are also excersizing their constitutional right to life liberty and happiness by not getting shot in the head by some retarded tea party member. Rights come with responsibility and if one is going to pack a fire arm it's their responsibility to not be a moron and know common sense basic safety rules.

 

[Crixus]

Yes. Dated a sheriffs deputy for Galveston county for three years. She was pretty normal, but most of her coworkers were typical retards who need serious remedial training in safety and retention. I have seen on many occasions M4's left unsecured on car seats, Glocks pulled from holsters with fingers ON triggers, which is a serious no no on a striker fired weapon with no extirnal safeties. Yes, cops are typically no better trained then an avrage citizen is in weapon handling beyond making qualification unless they are SWAT guys.

In other words, she dumped you.

"but most of her coworkers were typical retards"

Mm, pretty much, but mostly because I wouldn't choke her out during sex. Fact remains, most cops lack the very basic "Eddie The Eagle" kindergarten level of firearm safety.

Yeah ...sure.

Sad attempt at a deflection, but I'll bring a "for instance .


Ohio Officer's Gun Discharges at Home, Bullet Flies into Daycare Center with No Injury


The officer, who works for East Cleveland and as a volunteer reserve for Cuyahoga Falls, told authorities that he was unloading his 9mm Glock 19 inside his home when it went off accidentally at 3:35 p.m.


In other words, the guy unloaded his gun by dropping the magazine and tried to make it safe by doing partly as Glock instructs. He pulled the trigger. This accident demonstrates the in importance of your avalrage cop where guns are involved. If Cops are that ignorant, how much not ignorant are you considering you think it's safe to give any joe blow a gun?

I deflected by not buying your bullshit? You are a strange one! And as I already pointed out there are some 800,000 cops not shooting people by accident. You can't see them due to your blinders.

I know because they mostly shoot them selves and their family members .


Baltimore Police Track Carjacking Suspects, But Detective Shoots Himself


The shooting, during which other officers applied a tourniquet to stanch the wounded detective's bleeding, will be investigated by the department's Special Investigations Response Team. The detective, who is in good condition, will receive additional training before returning to duty, Johnson said.

In short, had the stupid cop KEPT HIS FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER until he was ready to fire he would not have shot him self. That remideal training he got after he shot him self would have been better before the fact.


Or this dude here, knowing Clute Texas, I would say there was a fair amount of booze involved.


Video: Texas Officer Accidentally Shoots Neighbor Through Apartment Wall


A Freeport (TX) Police officer has been taken off duty after he accidentally shot his next door neighbor, according to police.

Investigators aren't saying exactly what the officer was doing at the time that caused his gun to fire inside his apartment in the 100 block of Lakeview drive in Clute.

The incident happened at 4 a.m. Saturday, police said. The bullet apparently went through the wall of the officer's apartment and hit his neighbor in the back. The victim survived and was taken by helicopter to Memorial Hermann Hospital where he is being treated for his injuries, KHOU TV reports.

Mind you, these aren't from a cop hating web site hey are from an actual police friendly web site. I still notice you can't justify NOT having to demonstrate any competence at all where fire arms are concerned.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Skydiving is the most dangerous thing.

Having a pilot's license is the 2nd most dangerous.

Having a motorcycle license is 3rd.

Swimming and scuba is 4th overall, and #1 for kids.

Automobile and boat racing is 5th.

Bicycling is 6th.

Backcountry snowmobiling is 7th.

A driver's license is 8th.

Commercial airlines are 9th.

Busses and trains are 10th.

So there are lots of more dangerous things than owning a gun.

But only owning and carrying a gun will protect you from crime, sometimes. Sometimes both you and the criminal assailant will be killed, and sometimes even a gun won't help you.

If your state is a shall-issue state then it has no need to pass unlicensed carry.

And then if your state is shall issue then unlicensed carry only benefits homeless people and out of state visitors who do not have reciprocity.

Unlicensed carry makes no sense for residents.

Yes..it does....because it takes away the cost.....Poll Taxes to vote are unConstitutional......a fee to get a permit is a Poll Tax on gun Rights. Also.....just because your state is a shall issue state doesn't mean you can get a permit......the local sheriff can make it almost impossible to get a permit...like in California....

That's an issue voters need to take up with their states and really has zero to go with stopping accidents from happening.

you can never stop all accidents .

even the most trained most skilled humans make mistakes and have or cause accidents
accidental gun deaths are very low on the list of accidental deaths

Deaths are low, ND's happen all the time. The point is sure, driving a car is dangerous, but you have to demonstrate proficiency at doing it before you get to drive. Not so much for your safety, but for the safety of others who are also excersizing their constitutional right to life liberty and happiness by not getting shot in the head by some retarded tea party member. Rights come with responsibility and if one is going to pack a fire arm it's their responsibility to not be a moron and know common sense basic safety rules.

yeah because people who legally carry a concealed weapon accidentally shoot people in the head every day.

the very fact that accidental deaths from firearms are so low is testament to how safe the vast majority of gun owners are

they are certainly more safe than your average driver

 

[JQPublic1]

An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. Robert A. Heinlein
Read more at: Robert A. Heinlein Quotes

Will someone please send that message to the Chicago city website?

You're a tad confused.

those mostly armed in Chicago are the gangs.

Until recently, firearms were verboten to the populace.

If the common man were to start shooting back, perhaps the gangs would be more polite

Don't know much about the shootings in Chicago do you? There is mounting evidence to support the claim that the label " gang related shooting"is used by cops to define all gun related incidents in the hood.
Are Chicago Murders All Gang-Related?

Gang related homicides are down. Most shootings in Chicago emanate from domestic violence or neighborhood disputes.

Moron.....who do you think is shooting their domestic partners on the South and West sides of Chicago......criminals....idiot......the actual determining factor in domestic violence is not the gun...it is the long history of violence and criminal behavior, as well as drug and alcohol abuse by the abuser......

Gang related homicides are not down....haven't you been watching the news....? Moron.....

Fool, not everyone on the the South and West sides of Chicago are criminals. Just by you saying that shows the limited capacity you have for understanding social issues. In 2014 over million White people died at the hands of other White people in Metropolitan areas, including Chicago, but I don't hear the word "gangs" bouncing off your uvula to label THAT massacre. And in case you wantg to deny it here is the FBI data to validate my point:

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CORRECTION: 974 White on white murders occurred in Metro counties during the year 2014 not over a million. But there were over a million arrests of Whites during that time frame yet, the "gang" mantra isn't applied by white social pundits on the right who , without a second thought, use it profusely to describe any black criminality in the "hood." Fewer homicides were committed by Blacks in all metropolitan counties combined including Chicago. Looking at Chicago murder rates through that lens I have to wonder what statistical evidence RW pundits are basing their sensationalized murder epidemic on?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Will someone please send that message to the Chicago city website?

You're a tad confused.

those mostly armed in Chicago are the gangs.

Until recently, firearms were verboten to the populace.

If the common man were to start shooting back, perhaps the gangs would be more polite

Don't know much about the shootings in Chicago do you? There is mounting evidence to support the claim that the label " gang related shooting"is used by cops to define all gun related incidents in the hood.
Are Chicago Murders All Gang-Related?

Gang related homicides are down. Most shootings in Chicago emanate from domestic violence or neighborhood disputes.

Moron.....who do you think is shooting their domestic partners on the South and West sides of Chicago......criminals....idiot......the actual determining factor in domestic violence is not the gun...it is the long history of violence and criminal behavior, as well as drug and alcohol abuse by the abuser......

Gang related homicides are not down....haven't you been watching the news....? Moron.....

Fool, not everyone on the the South and West sides of Chicago are criminals. Just by you saying that shows the limited capacity you have for understanding social issues. In 2014 over million White people died at the hands of other White people in Metropolitan areas, including Chicago, but I don't hear the word "gangs" bouncing off your uvula to label THAT massacre. And in case you wantg to deny it here is the FBI data to validate my point:

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CORRECTION: 974 White on white murders occurred in Metro counties during the year 2014 not over a million. But there were over a million arrests of Whites during that time frame yet, the "gang" mantra isn't applied by white social pundits on the right who , without a second thought, use it profusely to describe any black criminality in the "hood." Fewer homicides were committed by Blacks in all metropolitan counties combined including Chicago. Looking at Chicago murder rates through that lens I have to wonder what statistical evidence RW pundits are basing their sensationalized murder epidemic on?

I suppose it doesn't matter to you that Blacks only make up 13% of the population yet are responsible for a higher percentage of murders

In 2013, the FBI has black criminals carrying out 38 per cent of murders, compared to 31.1 per cent for whites.

 

[Iceweasel]

In other words, she dumped you.

"but most of her coworkers were typical retards"

Mm, pretty much, but mostly because I wouldn't choke her out during sex. Fact remains, most cops lack the very basic "Eddie The Eagle" kindergarten level of firearm safety.

Yeah ...sure.

Sad attempt at a deflection, but I'll bring a "for instance .


Ohio Officer's Gun Discharges at Home, Bullet Flies into Daycare Center with No Injury


The officer, who works for East Cleveland and as a volunteer reserve for Cuyahoga Falls, told authorities that he was unloading his 9mm Glock 19 inside his home when it went off accidentally at 3:35 p.m.


In other words, the guy unloaded his gun by dropping the magazine and tried to make it safe by doing partly as Glock instructs. He pulled the trigger. This accident demonstrates the in importance of your avalrage cop where guns are involved. If Cops are that ignorant, how much not ignorant are you considering you think it's safe to give any joe blow a gun?

I deflected by not buying your bullshit? You are a strange one! And as I already pointed out there are some 800,000 cops not shooting people by accident. You can't see them due to your blinders.

I know because they mostly shoot them selves and their family members .


Baltimore Police Track Carjacking Suspects, But Detective Shoots Himself


The shooting, during which other officers applied a tourniquet to stanch the wounded detective's bleeding, will be investigated by the department's Special Investigations Response Team. The detective, who is in good condition, will receive additional training before returning to duty, Johnson said.

In short, had the stupid cop KEPT HIS FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER until he was ready to fire he would not have shot him self. That remideal training he got after he shot him self would have been better before the fact.


Or this dude here, knowing Clute Texas, I would say there was a fair amount of booze involved.


Video: Texas Officer Accidentally Shoots Neighbor Through Apartment Wall


A Freeport (TX) Police officer has been taken off duty after he accidentally shot his next door neighbor, according to police.

Investigators aren't saying exactly what the officer was doing at the time that caused his gun to fire inside his apartment in the 100 block of Lakeview drive in Clute.

The incident happened at 4 a.m. Saturday, police said. The bullet apparently went through the wall of the officer's apartment and hit his neighbor in the back. The victim survived and was taken by helicopter to Memorial Hermann Hospital where he is being treated for his injuries, KHOU TV reports.

Mind you, these aren't from a cop hating web site hey are from an actual police friendly web site. I still notice you can't justify NOT having to demonstrate any competence at all where fire arms are concerned.

You need to find another 797,000 stories to support your allegations.

 

[RealDave]

Those that choose to carry a loaded gun everywhere just don't think. The odds of actually using it for self defense are far outweighed by the odds it will end up harming you or your family. You'll leave it unattended, you'll drop it, you'll mishandle it, a family member will use it to harm themselves.
Is it really worth it for that puffed out chest feeling you get?

That's just more bullshit

I have owned guns for over 3 decades and have had a concealed carry permit for 28 years and not one of my guns ever posed a risk to anyone in my family.

I never left a gun unattended, never mishandled a gun

There are a lot of things you don't use on a daily basis but when you need them you're god damned glad you have them

A gun is a tool that is all
A gun is a tool akin to an insurance policy. You get one and hope you never have to use it but if you do have to use it you at least have it.

Yet.

You pose a risk to people every time you tote your loaded weapon in public.

 

[Auld Phart]

Those that choose to carry a loaded gun everywhere just don't think. The odds of actually using it for self defense are far outweighed by the odds it will end up harming you or your family. You'll leave it unattended, you'll drop it, you'll mishandle it, a family member will use it to harm themselves.
Is it really worth it for that puffed out chest feeling you get?

That's just more bullshit

I have owned guns for over 3 decades and have had a concealed carry permit for 28 years and not one of my guns ever posed a risk to anyone in my family.

I never left a gun unattended, never mishandled a gun

There are a lot of things you don't use on a daily basis but when you need them you're god damned glad you have them

A gun is a tool that is all
A gun is a tool akin to an insurance policy. You get one and hope you never have to use it but if you do have to use it you at least have it.

Yet.

You pose a risk to people every time you tote your loaded weapon in public.

You pose a risk to people every time you tote your loaded weapon in public.

You think maybe it's going to jump out of its holster while he's in public, and shoot someone?