Make The School Great Again!

[PoliticalChic]

There is a lot of truth in this sentiment:

"If we are unable to take back the schools, all is for naught."
Weeping For The Wolf Pack??



But.....what if we just put them out of business????


1. "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option
Liam Sigler - Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option

2. Americans have lost faith in the public school system. Only 36 percent of U.S. parents have a “great deal” of support for public schools, according to a 2017 study by Gallup. But despite this dismal reality, more than 90 percent of American children remain enrolled in public schools.

3. ...however, a growing contingent of parents who are rejecting government schools and instead choosing to educate their own children at home.



4. Although homeschoolers only currently make up about 3.4 percent of the total student population, homeschooling is a shining example of what education freedom can deliver.
...homeschoolers fare much better than their public school counterparts. After examining a compilation of nationwide studies, Dr. Brian Ray of the National Home Education Research Institute revealed that, “The homeschooled have consistently scored in these studies, on average, at the 65th to 80th percentile on standardized academic achievement tests in the United States and Canada, compared to the public school average of the 50th percentile.”

5. "Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal
A third-grade teacher at a public school in New Jersey is under fire after she encouraged her students to write letters to notorious convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal, who recently fell ill in prison.

Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."
Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal





Education is no longer the mission of government schooling.

 

[Erinwltr]

There is a lot of truth in this sentiment:

"If we are unable to take back the schools, all is for naught."
Weeping For The Wolf Pack??



But.....what if we just put them out of business????


1. "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option
Liam Sigler - Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option

2. Americans have lost faith in the public school system. Only 36 percent of U.S. parents have a “great deal” of support for public schools, according to a 2017 study by Gallup. But despite this dismal reality, more than 90 percent of American children remain enrolled in public schools.

3. ...however, a growing contingent of parents who are rejecting government schools and instead choosing to educate their own children at home.



4. Although homeschoolers only currently make up about 3.4 percent of the total student population, homeschooling is a shining example of what education freedom can deliver.
...homeschoolers fare much better than their public school counterparts. After examining a compilation of nationwide studies, Dr. Brian Ray of the National Home Education Research Institute revealed that, “The homeschooled have consistently scored in these studies, on average, at the 65th to 80th percentile on standardized academic achievement tests in the United States and Canada, compared to the public school average of the 50th percentile.”

5. "Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal
A third-grade teacher at a public school in New Jersey is under fire after she encouraged her students to write letters to notorious convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal, who recently fell ill in prison.

Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."
Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal





Education is no longer the mission of government schooling.

Copy and paste.

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is a lot of truth in this sentiment:

"If we are unable to take back the schools, all is for naught."
Weeping For The Wolf Pack??



But.....what if we just put them out of business????


1. "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option
Liam Sigler - Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option

2. Americans have lost faith in the public school system. Only 36 percent of U.S. parents have a “great deal” of support for public schools, according to a 2017 study by Gallup. But despite this dismal reality, more than 90 percent of American children remain enrolled in public schools.

3. ...however, a growing contingent of parents who are rejecting government schools and instead choosing to educate their own children at home.



4. Although homeschoolers only currently make up about 3.4 percent of the total student population, homeschooling is a shining example of what education freedom can deliver.
...homeschoolers fare much better than their public school counterparts. After examining a compilation of nationwide studies, Dr. Brian Ray of the National Home Education Research Institute revealed that, “The homeschooled have consistently scored in these studies, on average, at the 65th to 80th percentile on standardized academic achievement tests in the United States and Canada, compared to the public school average of the 50th percentile.”

5. "Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal
A third-grade teacher at a public school in New Jersey is under fire after she encouraged her students to write letters to notorious convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal, who recently fell ill in prison.

Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."
Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal





Education is no longer the mission of government schooling.

Copy and paste.

Ooo, look!

A government school grad shows up!!!!

 

[Marion Morrison]

Something has to be done, the public schools are not doing what they should be.

I would not put my child in a public school these days. Maybe 1-2 around the area, but that's it.

My state isn't that bad with schools though, neither is my area.

 

[SweetSue92]

There is a lot of truth in this sentiment:

"If we are unable to take back the schools, all is for naught."
Weeping For The Wolf Pack??



But.....what if we just put them out of business????


1. "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option
Liam Sigler - Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option

2. Americans have lost faith in the public school system. Only 36 percent of U.S. parents have a “great deal” of support for public schools, according to a 2017 study by Gallup. But despite this dismal reality, more than 90 percent of American children remain enrolled in public schools.

3. ...however, a growing contingent of parents who are rejecting government schools and instead choosing to educate their own children at home.



4. Although homeschoolers only currently make up about 3.4 percent of the total student population, homeschooling is a shining example of what education freedom can deliver.
...homeschoolers fare much better than their public school counterparts. After examining a compilation of nationwide studies, Dr. Brian Ray of the National Home Education Research Institute revealed that, “The homeschooled have consistently scored in these studies, on average, at the 65th to 80th percentile on standardized academic achievement tests in the United States and Canada, compared to the public school average of the 50th percentile.”

5. "Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal
A third-grade teacher at a public school in New Jersey is under fire after she encouraged her students to write letters to notorious convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal, who recently fell ill in prison.

Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."
Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal





Education is no longer the mission of government schooling.

I used to be a very vocal advocate for homeschooling. I still am not against it, but I stopped advocating. I stopped advocating because I am dead tired of the pompous attitudes as represented above in the place you should last see them: the church. (The Babylon Bee notices this as well and roundly roasts it.)

So everyone knows: I am an evangelical Christian conservative who teaches in the public schools. The attitude I often see about public school CHILDREN, among Christians, is abhorrent. The attitude is "those kids". It is not Christ-like at all. That's when I found I could not stick up for homeschoolers in the staff lounge. It is true that my colleagues unfairly criticize homeschooling, because it is true that homeschooling works, in most cases. Not all, but most.

But you lost me as an advocate because of the way homeschoolers come across. See above. And, I'm sure, see below. Those not in the Body of Christ will do as they do. Those in the Body really, should really really check themselves in my opinion.

 

[SweetSue92]

There is a lot of truth in this sentiment:

"If we are unable to take back the schools, all is for naught."
Weeping For The Wolf Pack??



But.....what if we just put them out of business????


1. "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option
Liam Sigler - Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option

2. Americans have lost faith in the public school system. Only 36 percent of U.S. parents have a “great deal” of support for public schools, according to a 2017 study by Gallup. But despite this dismal reality, more than 90 percent of American children remain enrolled in public schools.

3. ...however, a growing contingent of parents who are rejecting government schools and instead choosing to educate their own children at home.



4. Although homeschoolers only currently make up about 3.4 percent of the total student population, homeschooling is a shining example of what education freedom can deliver.
...homeschoolers fare much better than their public school counterparts. After examining a compilation of nationwide studies, Dr. Brian Ray of the National Home Education Research Institute revealed that, “The homeschooled have consistently scored in these studies, on average, at the 65th to 80th percentile on standardized academic achievement tests in the United States and Canada, compared to the public school average of the 50th percentile.”

5. "Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal
A third-grade teacher at a public school in New Jersey is under fire after she encouraged her students to write letters to notorious convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal, who recently fell ill in prison.

Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."
Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal





Education is no longer the mission of government schooling.

By the way that last quote is a polemic of conservatives that is so hyperbolic it's ridiculous. It's in fact stupid. And I say this as a conservative.

 

[Marion Morrison]

There is a lot of truth in this sentiment:

"If we are unable to take back the schools, all is for naught."
Weeping For The Wolf Pack??



But.....what if we just put them out of business????


1. "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option
Liam Sigler - Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option

2. Americans have lost faith in the public school system. Only 36 percent of U.S. parents have a “great deal” of support for public schools, according to a 2017 study by Gallup. But despite this dismal reality, more than 90 percent of American children remain enrolled in public schools.

3. ...however, a growing contingent of parents who are rejecting government schools and instead choosing to educate their own children at home.



4. Although homeschoolers only currently make up about 3.4 percent of the total student population, homeschooling is a shining example of what education freedom can deliver.
...homeschoolers fare much better than their public school counterparts. After examining a compilation of nationwide studies, Dr. Brian Ray of the National Home Education Research Institute revealed that, “The homeschooled have consistently scored in these studies, on average, at the 65th to 80th percentile on standardized academic achievement tests in the United States and Canada, compared to the public school average of the 50th percentile.”

5. "Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal
A third-grade teacher at a public school in New Jersey is under fire after she encouraged her students to write letters to notorious convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal, who recently fell ill in prison.

Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."
Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal





Education is no longer the mission of government schooling.

By the way that last quote is a polemic of conservatives that is so hyperbolic it's ridiculous. It's in fact stupid. And I say this as a conservative.

My problem with homeschooling is the lack of social interaction that comes from

attending school with other children, as well as the social events and programs and all that. Sports, Drama, Baseball, ..whatever.

 

[SweetSue92]

Something has to be done, the public schools are not doing what they should be.

I would not put my child in a public school these days. Maybe 1-2 around the area, but that's it.

My state isn't that bad with schools though, neither is my area.

Well, see, that's the thing. The public schools are as diverse as America. You have public schools in Berkeley California, and in downtown New York City and in Little Town Nebraska. They are not, in fact, "The public schools". They are your town schools. The state does not ship in teachers from "liberal indoctrination centers"....(insert rolled eyes here). They generally come, if not from your town, from very nearby. So they really look like the people around you, for the most part.

It's true that universities have some part in influencing students to be liberal minded. But those students then get a job. And earn a paycheck. And usually buy a house and get married and have kids. And that has the same effect on teachers it has on everyone. I have worked in two states, three districts and many many schools due to the nature of my particular teaching job, and I really don't work with many "flaming libs". Most teachers are what I would call "soft liberals"--if they're Democrats, they're not the agitating sorts. And they most certainly do not "indoctrinate" children to be liberals. Um, we're too busy teaching!

 

[Marion Morrison]

Something has to be done, the public schools are not doing what they should be.

I would not put my child in a public school these days. Maybe 1-2 around the area, but that's it.

My state isn't that bad with schools though, neither is my area.

Well, see, that's the thing. The public schools are as diverse as America. You have public schools in Berkeley California, and in downtown New York City and in Little Town Nebraska. They are not, in fact, "The public schools". They are your town schools. The state does not ship in teachers from "liberal indoctrination centers"....(insert rolled eyes here). They generally come, if not from your town, from very nearby. So they really look like the people around you, for the most part.

It's true that universities have some part in influencing students to be liberal minded. But those students then get a job. And earn a paycheck. And usually buy a house and get married and have kids. And that has the same effect on teachers it has on everyone. I have worked in two states, three districts and many many schools due to the nature of my particular teaching job, and I really don't work with many "flaming libs". Most teachers are what I would call "soft liberals"--if they're Democrats, they're not the agitating sorts. And they most certainly do not "indoctrinate" children to be liberals. Um, we're too busy teaching!

You know, I grew with some of the people that are running the schools around here these days, they're good people.

It's probably different in California.

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is a lot of truth in this sentiment:

"If we are unable to take back the schools, all is for naught."
Weeping For The Wolf Pack??



But.....what if we just put them out of business????


1. "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option
Liam Sigler - Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option

2. Americans have lost faith in the public school system. Only 36 percent of U.S. parents have a “great deal” of support for public schools, according to a 2017 study by Gallup. But despite this dismal reality, more than 90 percent of American children remain enrolled in public schools.

3. ...however, a growing contingent of parents who are rejecting government schools and instead choosing to educate their own children at home.



4. Although homeschoolers only currently make up about 3.4 percent of the total student population, homeschooling is a shining example of what education freedom can deliver.
...homeschoolers fare much better than their public school counterparts. After examining a compilation of nationwide studies, Dr. Brian Ray of the National Home Education Research Institute revealed that, “The homeschooled have consistently scored in these studies, on average, at the 65th to 80th percentile on standardized academic achievement tests in the United States and Canada, compared to the public school average of the 50th percentile.”

5. "Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal
A third-grade teacher at a public school in New Jersey is under fire after she encouraged her students to write letters to notorious convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal, who recently fell ill in prison.

Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."
Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal





Education is no longer the mission of government schooling.

I used to be a very vocal advocate for homeschooling. I still am not against it, but I stopped advocating. I stopped advocating because I am dead tired of the pompous attitudes as represented above in the place you should last see them: the church. (The Babylon Bee notices this as well and roundly roasts it.)

So everyone knows: I am an evangelical Christian conservative who teaches in the public schools. The attitude I often see about public school CHILDREN, among Christians, is abhorrent. The attitude is "those kids". It is not Christ-like at all. That's when I found I could not stick up for homeschoolers in the staff lounge. It is true that my colleagues unfairly criticize homeschooling, because it is true that homeschooling works, in most cases. Not all, but most.

But you lost me as an advocate because of the way homeschoolers come across. See above. And, I'm sure, see below. Those not in the Body of Christ will do as they do. Those in the Body really, should really really check themselves in my opinion.

I'm a homeschooler.

And it's not about religion...it's about education.
There's no comparison between what we do, and what government schooling does.


"...study validates homeschoolers’ exceptional academic achievement. In a poll conducted by Ray, homeschooled students achieved scores in the 86th to the 89th percentile, compared to the standard 50th percentile for those enrolled in government schools. Interestingly, the homeschooled students who had neither parent certified as a teacher performed as well as those who had a parent that was a certified teacher, by a margin of 88 percent to 87 percent.

Furthermore, on college entrance exams, homeschoolers routinely score higher than public school students. On the 2014 Standardized Achievement Test (SAT), homeschoolers on average scored a 567 in critical reading, 521 in mathematics, and 535 in writing. How did the public school students perform on the same test? Quite a bit lower, as the national average for all public school students was 497 in critical reading, 513 in mathematics, and 487 in writing."
Liam Sigler - Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option


How about giving credit where it's due?

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is a lot of truth in this sentiment:

"If we are unable to take back the schools, all is for naught."
Weeping For The Wolf Pack??



But.....what if we just put them out of business????


1. "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option
Liam Sigler - Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option

2. Americans have lost faith in the public school system. Only 36 percent of U.S. parents have a “great deal” of support for public schools, according to a 2017 study by Gallup. But despite this dismal reality, more than 90 percent of American children remain enrolled in public schools.

3. ...however, a growing contingent of parents who are rejecting government schools and instead choosing to educate their own children at home.



4. Although homeschoolers only currently make up about 3.4 percent of the total student population, homeschooling is a shining example of what education freedom can deliver.
...homeschoolers fare much better than their public school counterparts. After examining a compilation of nationwide studies, Dr. Brian Ray of the National Home Education Research Institute revealed that, “The homeschooled have consistently scored in these studies, on average, at the 65th to 80th percentile on standardized academic achievement tests in the United States and Canada, compared to the public school average of the 50th percentile.”

5. "Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal
A third-grade teacher at a public school in New Jersey is under fire after she encouraged her students to write letters to notorious convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal, who recently fell ill in prison.

Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."
Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal





Education is no longer the mission of government schooling.

By the way that last quote is a polemic of conservatives that is so hyperbolic it's ridiculous. It's in fact stupid. And I say this as a conservative.

"Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal
A third-grade teacher at a public school in New Jersey is under fire after she encouraged her students to write letters to notorious convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal, who recently fell ill in prison.

Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."
Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal









Wise up, you dunce.

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is a lot of truth in this sentiment:

"If we are unable to take back the schools, all is for naught."
Weeping For The Wolf Pack??



But.....what if we just put them out of business????


1. "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option
Liam Sigler - Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option

2. Americans have lost faith in the public school system. Only 36 percent of U.S. parents have a “great deal” of support for public schools, according to a 2017 study by Gallup. But despite this dismal reality, more than 90 percent of American children remain enrolled in public schools.

3. ...however, a growing contingent of parents who are rejecting government schools and instead choosing to educate their own children at home.



4. Although homeschoolers only currently make up about 3.4 percent of the total student population, homeschooling is a shining example of what education freedom can deliver.
...homeschoolers fare much better than their public school counterparts. After examining a compilation of nationwide studies, Dr. Brian Ray of the National Home Education Research Institute revealed that, “The homeschooled have consistently scored in these studies, on average, at the 65th to 80th percentile on standardized academic achievement tests in the United States and Canada, compared to the public school average of the 50th percentile.”

5. "Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal
A third-grade teacher at a public school in New Jersey is under fire after she encouraged her students to write letters to notorious convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal, who recently fell ill in prison.

Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."
Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal





Education is no longer the mission of government schooling.

By the way that last quote is a polemic of conservatives that is so hyperbolic it's ridiculous. It's in fact stupid. And I say this as a conservative.

My problem with homeschooling is the lack of social interaction that comes from

attending school with other children, as well as the social events and programs and all that. Sports, Drama, Baseball, ..whatever.

It's not true, MM.

It's the sort of propaganda spread by government school groupies.


I belong to several homeschool groups, which have science fairs, talent shows, etc., and have had folks on my block comment that my kids actually speak to adults.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"...homeschooling inherently meets the unique needs of each child. Who else, besides a parent, knows what is best for their own children? Certainly not government bureaucrats and teachers...

....homeschooling allows parents to optimize their schedule and curriculum based on a student’s individual needs. A class of one maximizes customization and minimizes standardization. In a homeschool environment, if a student excels at history but struggles with mathematics, he or she can cruise through the former and slowly absorb the latter.

Further, parents avoiding homeschooling because they doubt their ability to educate their children should remember that polls show most parents don’t trust publicly certified teachers, either. For example, one study found 75 percent of Americans believe accreditation for teachers does not ensure quality education."
Liam Sigler - Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option

 

[SweetSue92]

There is a lot of truth in this sentiment:

"If we are unable to take back the schools, all is for naught."
Weeping For The Wolf Pack??



But.....what if we just put them out of business????


1. "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option
Liam Sigler - Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option

2. Americans have lost faith in the public school system. Only 36 percent of U.S. parents have a “great deal” of support for public schools, according to a 2017 study by Gallup. But despite this dismal reality, more than 90 percent of American children remain enrolled in public schools.

3. ...however, a growing contingent of parents who are rejecting government schools and instead choosing to educate their own children at home.



4. Although homeschoolers only currently make up about 3.4 percent of the total student population, homeschooling is a shining example of what education freedom can deliver.
...homeschoolers fare much better than their public school counterparts. After examining a compilation of nationwide studies, Dr. Brian Ray of the National Home Education Research Institute revealed that, “The homeschooled have consistently scored in these studies, on average, at the 65th to 80th percentile on standardized academic achievement tests in the United States and Canada, compared to the public school average of the 50th percentile.”

5. "Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal
A third-grade teacher at a public school in New Jersey is under fire after she encouraged her students to write letters to notorious convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal, who recently fell ill in prison.

Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."
Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal





Education is no longer the mission of government schooling.

I used to be a very vocal advocate for homeschooling. I still am not against it, but I stopped advocating. I stopped advocating because I am dead tired of the pompous attitudes as represented above in the place you should last see them: the church. (The Babylon Bee notices this as well and roundly roasts it.)

So everyone knows: I am an evangelical Christian conservative who teaches in the public schools. The attitude I often see about public school CHILDREN, among Christians, is abhorrent. The attitude is "those kids". It is not Christ-like at all. That's when I found I could not stick up for homeschoolers in the staff lounge. It is true that my colleagues unfairly criticize homeschooling, because it is true that homeschooling works, in most cases. Not all, but most.

But you lost me as an advocate because of the way homeschoolers come across. See above. And, I'm sure, see below. Those not in the Body of Christ will do as they do. Those in the Body really, should really really check themselves in my opinion.

I'm a homeschooler.

And it's not about religion...it's about education.
There's no comparison between what we do, and what government schooling does.


"...study validates homeschoolers’ exceptional academic achievement. In a poll conducted by Ray, homeschooled students achieved scores in the 86th to the 89th percentile, compared to the standard 50th percentile for those enrolled in government schools. Interestingly, the homeschooled students who had neither parent certified as a teacher performed as well as those who had a parent that was a certified teacher, by a margin of 88 percent to 87 percent.

Furthermore, on college entrance exams, homeschoolers routinely score higher than public school students. On the 2014 Standardized Achievement Test (SAT), homeschoolers on average scored a 567 in critical reading, 521 in mathematics, and 535 in writing. How did the public school students perform on the same test? Quite a bit lower, as the national average for all public school students was 497 in critical reading, 513 in mathematics, and 487 in writing."
Liam Sigler - Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option


How about giving credit where it's due?

All right your first statement, "you're a homeschooler", means not much to me. I figured. I figured you either were a homeschooler or you taught one. Okay.

Next, I already conceded that homeschooling works for the most part. It has mostly been self-selecting, for one thing (although it also hides abuse, which the homeschooling community is dealing with very poorly, which also does not surprise me in the least). IOW, those parents most likely to afford the time, energy, and effort required to put into their children's education--including one parent being at home at all times--have been most likely to choose it. With the explosion of free online schools, I'm going to guess this changes...and we already see shades of that in the abuse situations. And I'm guessing we see shades of that in other situations, which will make those strong homeschooling creds go down if the community does not police itself.

But none of this is my problem. I'm not advocating for them.

 

[SweetSue92]

There is a lot of truth in this sentiment:

"If we are unable to take back the schools, all is for naught."
Weeping For The Wolf Pack??



But.....what if we just put them out of business????


1. "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option
Liam Sigler - Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option

2. Americans have lost faith in the public school system. Only 36 percent of U.S. parents have a “great deal” of support for public schools, according to a 2017 study by Gallup. But despite this dismal reality, more than 90 percent of American children remain enrolled in public schools.

3. ...however, a growing contingent of parents who are rejecting government schools and instead choosing to educate their own children at home.



4. Although homeschoolers only currently make up about 3.4 percent of the total student population, homeschooling is a shining example of what education freedom can deliver.
...homeschoolers fare much better than their public school counterparts. After examining a compilation of nationwide studies, Dr. Brian Ray of the National Home Education Research Institute revealed that, “The homeschooled have consistently scored in these studies, on average, at the 65th to 80th percentile on standardized academic achievement tests in the United States and Canada, compared to the public school average of the 50th percentile.”

5. "Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal
A third-grade teacher at a public school in New Jersey is under fire after she encouraged her students to write letters to notorious convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal, who recently fell ill in prison.

Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."
Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal





Education is no longer the mission of government schooling.

By the way that last quote is a polemic of conservatives that is so hyperbolic it's ridiculous. It's in fact stupid. And I say this as a conservative.

"Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal
A third-grade teacher at a public school in New Jersey is under fire after she encouraged her students to write letters to notorious convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal, who recently fell ill in prison.

Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."
Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal









Wise up, you dunce.

I really hope you don't plan to teach your children logical argumentation or any kind of logic whatsoever, because although I was not a philosophy major, I can tell you this is a massive fail on even a basic level.

1. Anecdotes don't condemn an entire system

2. Ad hominems do not arguments make

Unless you mean to show them how to lose arguments--in which case you're doing quite well.

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is a lot of truth in this sentiment:

"If we are unable to take back the schools, all is for naught."
Weeping For The Wolf Pack??



But.....what if we just put them out of business????


1. "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option
Liam Sigler - Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option

2. Americans have lost faith in the public school system. Only 36 percent of U.S. parents have a “great deal” of support for public schools, according to a 2017 study by Gallup. But despite this dismal reality, more than 90 percent of American children remain enrolled in public schools.

3. ...however, a growing contingent of parents who are rejecting government schools and instead choosing to educate their own children at home.



4. Although homeschoolers only currently make up about 3.4 percent of the total student population, homeschooling is a shining example of what education freedom can deliver.
...homeschoolers fare much better than their public school counterparts. After examining a compilation of nationwide studies, Dr. Brian Ray of the National Home Education Research Institute revealed that, “The homeschooled have consistently scored in these studies, on average, at the 65th to 80th percentile on standardized academic achievement tests in the United States and Canada, compared to the public school average of the 50th percentile.”

5. "Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal
A third-grade teacher at a public school in New Jersey is under fire after she encouraged her students to write letters to notorious convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal, who recently fell ill in prison.

Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."
Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal





Education is no longer the mission of government schooling.

By the way that last quote is a polemic of conservatives that is so hyperbolic it's ridiculous. It's in fact stupid. And I say this as a conservative.

"Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal
A third-grade teacher at a public school in New Jersey is under fire after she encouraged her students to write letters to notorious convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal, who recently fell ill in prison.

Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."
Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal









Wise up, you dunce.

I really hope you don't plan to teach your children logical argumentation or any kind of logic whatsoever, because although I was not a philosophy major, I can tell you this is a massive fail on even a basic level.

1. Anecdotes don't condemn an entire system

2. Ad hominems do not arguments make

Unless you mean to show them how to lose arguments--in which case you're doing quite well.

I really hope you are able to stick closer to the truth in the future.

To deny that the teaching profession is held tightly in the grip of Liberalism, Incorporated, a diaphanous lie.


More:

"Anecdotes don't condemn an entire system"

Really????

"The California Federation of Teachers (CFT) passed a resolution at its most recent convention claiming that “the continued unjust incarceration of Mumia Abu-Jamal represents a threat to the civil rights of all people.” Thirty years ago, Abu-Jamal took away Philadelphia policeman Daniel Faulkner’s foremost civil right: his life. How obtuse of the CFT to disregard “the threat to the civil rights of all people” represented by someone capable of gunning down a man tasked with protecting the public.

The pantheon of leftist saints includes the Haymarket Square bombers, responsible for the deaths of eight Chicago cops, Joe Hill, murderer of former police officer John Morrison in Salt Lake City, Huey Newton, murderer of Oakland policeman John Frey, and Leonard Peltier, murderer of FBI agents Jack Coler and Ronald Williams. Notice a pattern?"
Teachers' Mumia Abu-Jamal Resolution Out of Sync Morally and Historically | Human Events



And...

Top Contributors, 2017-2018
(Move your cursor over the chart to see dollar amounts.)
Contributor Amount
American Federation of Teachers $7,821,347
National Education Assn $5,921,927
California School Employees Assn $49,671
Mea-Mft $10,830
Contributions to:
Democrats

Republicans

Liberal Groups

Conservative Groups

Teachers Unions | OpenSecrets



Unless you mean to show them how to lose arguments--in which case you're doing quite well.



Try not to appear such a dope in the future.....do your best.

 

[DGS49]

Most people are idiots. I presume this also applies to parents who choose to school their kids at home.

The rational course for parents who are sufficiently motivated - and have time to - home school is to manage the shit out of their kids' public school education. Check the books, the Homework, get to know the teachers, be proactive in course selection, teacher selection, and supplement or correct what's being taught, as necessary. Hire tutors to help, find programs outside the school system, if there is something desired and not available.

In short, become as crazy about Education as the average Hockey Dad is about hockey.

 

[SweetSue92]

There is a lot of truth in this sentiment:

"If we are unable to take back the schools, all is for naught."
Weeping For The Wolf Pack??



But.....what if we just put them out of business????


1. "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option
Liam Sigler - Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option

2. Americans have lost faith in the public school system. Only 36 percent of U.S. parents have a “great deal” of support for public schools, according to a 2017 study by Gallup. But despite this dismal reality, more than 90 percent of American children remain enrolled in public schools.

3. ...however, a growing contingent of parents who are rejecting government schools and instead choosing to educate their own children at home.



4. Although homeschoolers only currently make up about 3.4 percent of the total student population, homeschooling is a shining example of what education freedom can deliver.
...homeschoolers fare much better than their public school counterparts. After examining a compilation of nationwide studies, Dr. Brian Ray of the National Home Education Research Institute revealed that, “The homeschooled have consistently scored in these studies, on average, at the 65th to 80th percentile on standardized academic achievement tests in the United States and Canada, compared to the public school average of the 50th percentile.”

5. "Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal
A third-grade teacher at a public school in New Jersey is under fire after she encouraged her students to write letters to notorious convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal, who recently fell ill in prison.

Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."
Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal





Education is no longer the mission of government schooling.

By the way that last quote is a polemic of conservatives that is so hyperbolic it's ridiculous. It's in fact stupid. And I say this as a conservative.

"Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal
A third-grade teacher at a public school in New Jersey is under fire after she encouraged her students to write letters to notorious convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal, who recently fell ill in prison.

Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."
Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal









Wise up, you dunce.

I really hope you don't plan to teach your children logical argumentation or any kind of logic whatsoever, because although I was not a philosophy major, I can tell you this is a massive fail on even a basic level.

1. Anecdotes don't condemn an entire system

2. Ad hominems do not arguments make

Unless you mean to show them how to lose arguments--in which case you're doing quite well.

I really hope you are able to stick closer to the truth in the future.

To deny that the teaching profession is held tightly in the grip of Liberalism, Incorporated, a diaphanous lie.


More:

"Anecdotes don't condemn an entire system"

Really????

"The California Federation of Teachers (CFT) passed a resolution at its most recent convention claiming that “the continued unjust incarceration of Mumia Abu-Jamal represents a threat to the civil rights of all people.” Thirty years ago, Abu-Jamal took away Philadelphia policeman Daniel Faulkner’s foremost civil right: his life. How obtuse of the CFT to disregard “the threat to the civil rights of all people” represented by someone capable of gunning down a man tasked with protecting the public.

The pantheon of leftist saints includes the Haymarket Square bombers, responsible for the deaths of eight Chicago cops, Joe Hill, murderer of former police officer John Morrison in Salt Lake City, Huey Newton, murderer of Oakland policeman John Frey, and Leonard Peltier, murderer of FBI agents Jack Coler and Ronald Williams. Notice a pattern?"
Teachers' Mumia Abu-Jamal Resolution Out of Sync Morally and Historically | Human Events



And...

Top Contributors, 2017-2018
(Move your cursor over the chart to see dollar amounts.)
Contributor Amount
American Federation of Teachers $7,821,347
National Education Assn $5,921,927
California School Employees Assn $49,671
Mea-Mft $10,830
Contributions to:
Democrats

Republicans

Liberal Groups

Conservative Groups

Teachers Unions | OpenSecrets



Unless you mean to show them how to lose arguments--in which case you're doing quite well.



Try not to appear such a dope in the future.....do your best.

Okay your continued ad hominems do not offend me but they're a huge time waster, and since my school year starts in a few weeks, I'm about to get busier and not willing to waste my time on really, really bad arguments. So if you keep it up, this will be the last time I respond to you in this thread.

You won't find me defending the teacher's unions--I can't stand them. I don't belong to mine.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Most people are idiots. I presume this also applies to parents who choose to school their kids at home.

The rational course for parents who are sufficiently motivated - and have time to - home school is to manage the shit out of their kids' public school education. Check the books, the Homework, get to know the teachers, be proactive in course selection, teacher selection, and supplement or correct what's being taught, as necessary. Hire tutors to help, find programs outside the school system, if there is something desired and not available.

In short, become as crazy about Education as the average Hockey Dad is about hockey.

Gads, you appear to be quite a fool.

The Results

Overall the study showed significant advances in homeschool academic achievement as well as revealing that issues such as student gender, parents’ education level, and family income had little bearing on the results of homeschooled students.

National Average Percentile Scores

Subtest

Homeschool

Public School

Reading

89

50

Language

84

50

Math

84

50

Science

86

50

Social Studies

84

50

Corea

88

50

Compositeb

86

50

a. Core is a combination of Reading, Language, and Math.
b. Composite is a combination of all subtests that the student took on the test.

There was little difference between the results of homeschooled boys and girls on core scores.

Boys—87th percentile
Girls—88th percentile

Household income had little impact on the results of homeschooled students.

$34,999 or less—85th percentile
$35,000–$49,999—86th percentile
$50,000–$69,999—86th percentile
$70,000 or more—89th percentile

The education level of the parents made a noticeable difference, but the homeschooled children of non-college educated parents still scored in the 83rd percentile, which is well above the national average.

Neither parent has a college degree—83rd percentile
One parent has a college degree—86th percentile
Both parents have a college degree—90th percentile

Whether either parent was a certified teacher did not matter.

Certified (i.e., either parent ever certified)—87th percentile
Not certified (i.e., neither parent ever certified)—88th percentile

Parental spending on home education made little difference.

Spent $600 or more on the student—89th percentile
Spent under $600 on the student—86th percentile

The extent of government regulation on homeschoolers did not affect the results.

Low state regulation—87th percentile
Medium state regulation—88th percentile
High state regulation—87th percentile

HSLDA defines the extent of government regulation this way:

States with low regulation: No state requirement for parents to initiate any contact or State requires parental notification only.

States with moderate regulation: State requires parents to send notification, test scores, and/or professional evaluation of student progress.

State with high regulation: State requires parents to send notification or achievement test scores and/or professional evaluation, plus other requirements (e.g. curriculum approval by the state, teacher qualification of parents, or home visits by state officials).

The question HSLDA regularly puts before state legislatures is, “If government regulation does not improve the results of homeschoolers why is it necessary?”

In short, the results found in the new study are consistent with 25 years of research, which show that as a group homeschoolers consistently perform above average academically. The Progress Report also shows that, even as the numbers and diversity of homeschoolers have grown tremendously over the past 10 years, homeschoolers have actually increased the already sizeable gap in academic achievement between themselves and their public school counterparts-moving from about 30 percentile points higher in the Rudner study (1998) to 37 percentile points higher in the Progress Report (2009).

As mentioned earlier, the achievement gaps that are well-documented in public school between boys and girls, parents with lower incomes, and parents with lower levels of education are not found among homeschoolers. While it is not possible to draw a definitive conclusion, it does appear from all the existing research that homeschooling equalizes every student upwards. Homeschoolers are actually achieving every day what the public schools claim are their goals—to narrow achievement gaps and to educate each child to a high level.

Of course, an education movement which consistently shows that children can be educated to a standard significantly above the average public school student at a fraction of the cost—the average spent by participants in the Progress Report was about $500 per child per year as opposed to the public school average of nearly $10,000 per child per year—will inevitably draw attention from the K-12 public education industry.
HSLDA: New Nationwide Study Confirms Homeschool Academic Achievement

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is a lot of truth in this sentiment:

"If we are unable to take back the schools, all is for naught."
Weeping For The Wolf Pack??



But.....what if we just put them out of business????


1. "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option
Liam Sigler - Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Education: The Homeschooling Option

2. Americans have lost faith in the public school system. Only 36 percent of U.S. parents have a “great deal” of support for public schools, according to a 2017 study by Gallup. But despite this dismal reality, more than 90 percent of American children remain enrolled in public schools.

3. ...however, a growing contingent of parents who are rejecting government schools and instead choosing to educate their own children at home.



4. Although homeschoolers only currently make up about 3.4 percent of the total student population, homeschooling is a shining example of what education freedom can deliver.
...homeschoolers fare much better than their public school counterparts. After examining a compilation of nationwide studies, Dr. Brian Ray of the National Home Education Research Institute revealed that, “The homeschooled have consistently scored in these studies, on average, at the 65th to 80th percentile on standardized academic achievement tests in the United States and Canada, compared to the public school average of the 50th percentile.”

5. "Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal
A third-grade teacher at a public school in New Jersey is under fire after she encouraged her students to write letters to notorious convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal, who recently fell ill in prison.

Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."
Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal





Education is no longer the mission of government schooling.

By the way that last quote is a polemic of conservatives that is so hyperbolic it's ridiculous. It's in fact stupid. And I say this as a conservative.

"Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal
A third-grade teacher at a public school in New Jersey is under fire after she encouraged her students to write letters to notorious convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal, who recently fell ill in prison.

Marylin Zuniga teaches language arts and social studies at Forest Street School in Orange, N.J."
Third-Grade Teacher Has Students Write ‘Get Well’ Cards To Cop Killer Mumia Abu-Jamal









Wise up, you dunce.

I really hope you don't plan to teach your children logical argumentation or any kind of logic whatsoever, because although I was not a philosophy major, I can tell you this is a massive fail on even a basic level.

1. Anecdotes don't condemn an entire system

2. Ad hominems do not arguments make

Unless you mean to show them how to lose arguments--in which case you're doing quite well.

I really hope you are able to stick closer to the truth in the future.

To deny that the teaching profession is held tightly in the grip of Liberalism, Incorporated, a diaphanous lie.


More:

"Anecdotes don't condemn an entire system"

Really????

"The California Federation of Teachers (CFT) passed a resolution at its most recent convention claiming that “the continued unjust incarceration of Mumia Abu-Jamal represents a threat to the civil rights of all people.” Thirty years ago, Abu-Jamal took away Philadelphia policeman Daniel Faulkner’s foremost civil right: his life. How obtuse of the CFT to disregard “the threat to the civil rights of all people” represented by someone capable of gunning down a man tasked with protecting the public.

The pantheon of leftist saints includes the Haymarket Square bombers, responsible for the deaths of eight Chicago cops, Joe Hill, murderer of former police officer John Morrison in Salt Lake City, Huey Newton, murderer of Oakland policeman John Frey, and Leonard Peltier, murderer of FBI agents Jack Coler and Ronald Williams. Notice a pattern?"
Teachers' Mumia Abu-Jamal Resolution Out of Sync Morally and Historically | Human Events



And...

Top Contributors, 2017-2018
(Move your cursor over the chart to see dollar amounts.)
Contributor Amount
American Federation of Teachers $7,821,347
National Education Assn $5,921,927
California School Employees Assn $49,671
Mea-Mft $10,830
Contributions to:
Democrats

Republicans

Liberal Groups

Conservative Groups

Teachers Unions | OpenSecrets



Unless you mean to show them how to lose arguments--in which case you're doing quite well.



Try not to appear such a dope in the future.....do your best.

Okay your continued ad hominems do not offend me but they're a huge time waster, and since my school year starts in a few weeks, I'm about to get busier and not willing to waste my time on really, really bad arguments. So if you keep it up, this will be the last time I respond to you in this thread.

You won't find me defending the teacher's unions--I can't stand them. I don't belong to mine.

"...so if you keep it up, this will be the last time I respond to you in this thread."


I've proven everything I posted...

a. homeschooled kids are far better educated than government school kids.

b. the teaching profession is simply a subsidiary of Liberalism, Inc.



Now....don't let the door hit ya' on the way out.