Yes, it is bigoted. You are taking the fact that it happens within SOME prayer groups to assume it happens within ALL Muslim prayer groups. That is pretty much the definition of bigotry.
me: I should not monitor all mosques to prevent a terrorist attack, because you believe its some, when you have no proof, its not a majority, wow, i guess innocent americans should eventually die, which they will because you, mr muslim apologist, dont want to hurt any muslims feelings, your an idiot.
We have a problem with that in the US? Really? Please cite evidence.
me: are you seriously that retarded, we have terror cells in america, i know of one broken up in america, you think we have no terror cells in america, pull your head out of your ass. You are a ******* retard. Why am i even wasting my time, with an idiot, who doesnt even know what the truth is?
Its called freedom of religion. Since when? Since 1776. Its always been the case, although its a fine line. No, actually the ACLU has never said that religion needs to be done in a private setting. Rather its point is that it should not be done in a government setting.
me: gain, the aclu, will fight anything christian, and nothing, islamic. Aclu are pussies. Any cleric preaching hate, should be jailed and deported, im not allowing terrorism.
Incorrect. Nuanced because this is different than the Christian issue. Nuanced because to people who actually care about details, there is a difference between the two things. You want to paint everyone with a broad brush and then cry and whine when we call you on it because you do it incorrectly.
me: I believe their are no moderate muslims, disagree, whatever
Way to over-simplify this.
I have no idea. I was posting a hypothetical.
me: are you on crack?
me: oh, your talking about him, fine.
me: what is it with you and the positive negative crap, prove your point, dork.
No, I was wowing over your inability to understand why I can't/won't prove a negative.
And hence it is stupid, and bigotted to assume that all Muslims are fundamentalists or that wherever there is Muslim prayer going on, there are fundamentalists.
me: a liberals first resort is to name call, which is why i think youre an idiot, and the facts say: do muslims speak up when a danish cartoon offends them yes?, do they after a terrorist attack, not much. Therefore i conclude, there are no moderate muslims, ive heard ex muslims say the same thing, but since you have no argument, and your such a dumb ****, you can only call me a racist, **** You
Who is trying to disprove it? I agree with it. But SOME does not equal ALL.
Why are you trying to prove something that nobody is arguing? Nobody said it never happens, just that it does not always happen.
The large large majority of Muslims in the US are moderate.
me: I told you already, moderate muslims is a misnomer, muslims who practice what islam says, are the ones who are jihadists, the jihadists can quote me over 130 quotes from the koran, and ever since the koran started till now, it has been about murder and hate, not peace, atleast christianity grew up over the last 1000 years.
And they have committed what acts of violence exactly?
me: we will have terrorists attack, its not a matter of if but when.
Unsupervised? Why are you assuming its unsupervised? And besides that, for the millionth time, there is a big difference between moderates and fundamentalists. Oh and SOME does not equal ALL. Pretty simple stuff here.
Well just excuse the hell out of me for not being all PC and trusting like you liberals. Islam is a religion which calls for the domination of all others and you idiotic liberals want to give them respect and sensitivity while their true believers are committing acts of barbarism all over the world. You idiotic libs still think it is a religion of peace and you'll even welcome it into the very midst of our school children even as their religion of peace kills children in pursuit of their religious domination. Calling me a bigot is only based on your stupidity and misplaced idealism.Larkinn said:
I guess Chertoff is having a stomach ache over nothing?Larkinn said:
I get a kick out of it when a liberal speaks up for freedom of religion in the course of their twisted arguments. Actually I'm glad you agree that we should have freedom of religion in the public square. However your liberal friends are not so accommodating. I don't see any Christian prayer in public schools, mucho gracias to the ACLU. Have you forgotten all about that thing called separation of church and state? If the ACLU is against religion in a government setting why aren't they immediately against Muslim prayers in government schools instead of studying the issue? What are they - stupid?Larkinn said:
Exactly how is Muslim prayer in the schools different than the "Christian issue" of prayer in the schools? And please don't give me that "requirement" crap.Larkinn said:
Is it stupid and bigoted to assume that some may be fundamentalists? It only takes a few to kill you.Larkinn said:
It only took a few muslims to bring down the twin towers.Larkinn said:
Glad you accept the facts. So why are you so upset that I don't like budding madrassas in our public schools? Are you not worried because it "does not always happen"? That's pretty uncaring of you for being a liberal. If even one of our children was hurt or killed due to muslim activity within our public schools I would be extremely upset.Larkinn said:
That's what you think. How come so many are silent when bad things happen?Larkinn said:
Don't you ever read the news? The U.S. has had many random acts of muslim violence although the liberal news pretty much ignores them. Europe has much more muslim violence.Larkinn said:
I don't see where a bonafide school official is monitoring the religious activity. Being a religious activity it is separate and apart from school stuff.Larkinn said:
Pretty insignificant argument in my opinion.Larkinn said:
Wahhabi penetration of US mainstream Islamic institutions is substantial. A 2005 Freedom House Report examined over 200 books and other publications distributed in 15 prominent Saudi-funded American mosques. One such publication, bearing the imprint of the Saudi embassy and distributed by the King Fahd Mosque in Los Angeles, contained the following injunctions for Muslims living in America:Larkinn said:
As I said before we really don't know for sure. Also, this is just the start of a budding madrassa which could develop later into more. This is a muslim gathering WITHIN the school, not OF the school, meaning the school has no real control over the content of this religious activity.Larkinn said:
How so?Larkinn said:
You wouldn't recognize an enemy if he bit you on the ass.Larkinn said:
Still stuck on that insignificant point? And wow, finding that link was really impressive and blew my argument completely out of the water. Not.Larkinn said:
Wahabbism is spreading and infecting large groups of Muslims including those in the U.S. I do not see a stronger antidote in the making to counteract this infection, do you?Larkinn said:
Yes, all those illegal immigrants who you libs consider to BE undocumented U.S. citizens and who you think should be able to enter the U.S. at will.Larkinn said:
If a religion required that their religious activity be performed every hour on the hour, would you also have our schools accommodate for that? What if a religion required that all students be separated by gender in separate classrooms? Would you also accommodate them on that issue as well? What if a religion required that they eat steak and lobster for lunch every day? Would you require the schools to pony up the expensive lunches? What about foot baths in all schools? How about burkas for girls?Larkinn said:
Not all are, but there are enough to cause concern. Did you know that according to a recent Pew Research that about 25% of American Muslims either support Al-Qaeda or are ambivalent about terrorists? Did you know that about half of them consider themselves as Muslims first and Americans second? Did you know that many of the younger Muslims don't have a problem with violence in the name of Islam?Larkinn said:
Seems to be working for the last 6 years.Larkinn said:
Ah, a SILENT madrassa. Ever hear the expression of getting one's foot in the door?Larkinn said:
Yes, I would love to see demonstrations of moderate muslim solidarity with America against radical Islam. It'd be nice if just the leaders voiced their concern loud and clear. But we don't get much of that, do we? However, when some cartoons appeared to insult Mohammed, the muslim protests were heard LOUDLY around the world.Larkinn said:
Here's a few. You can look up others although it may be hard to find them since the liberal media tends to downplay such Un-PC stories.Larkinn said:
The muslims get their own room in which to pray by themselves. Oh, make that two rooms, one for the boys and one for the girls. The non-muslims go somewhere else. I'd say that is quite a separation from normal school activities.Larkinn said:
The 15 minutes has nothing to do with the regular school activities except that it happens on school government property and interrupts normal school activities. Why are Christians not allowed to have their separate rooms and times for Christian prayer and Bible study too? Oh, that's right. The ACLU says we must have "separation of church and state"…but I guess they make exceptions for Muslims, the PC religion of choice.Larkinn said:
You are really reaching there.Larkinn said:
In what way do you disagree and why?Larkinn said:
I said "you libs" so that comment was directed at liberals in general, not just you. So what do you believe? I take it you do agree that Chertoff "is having a problem with individuals outside the US coming in here and committing crimes" at least in part due to our wide open borders? Do you think we should close our borders or at least tighten security enough to prevent incoming terrorists? Do you believe in profiling as a tool to help with this endeavor?Larkinn said:
15 minutes might seem just fine to your eyes. Not to mine especially when Christians don't get the same favor. After all, isn't it a human right to practice one's religion whether or not the practice is a "requirement" or not? You also didn't answer my question about the muslim requirement with regard to wearing a burka. Should our public schools allow that too?Larkinn said:
Yes, as a matter of fact the far left does want to destroy America as we know it. They want to institute a new world order of international socialism and in the process destroy our U.S. Constitution as we know it. Despite your nasty comments I am addressing facts and being logical. If you would quit attempting to run away from the issues by bringing up logic arguments we might actually get somewhere. However I think you are doing everything you can to avoid justifying your position. If my comment about a slippery slope bothers you so much, I will retract it. In its place I will instead say that each religion has a different set of "requirements" in order to practice their religion. Do you expect the school system to accommodate requirements of all religions equally? Why or why not? Myself, I see this as opening the door to all sorts of problems in the future.Larkinn said:
Of course it supports my view. I said "about 25% of American Muslims either support Al-Qaeda or are ambivalent about terrorists". Where am I wrong? Frankly, I think that if one out of four muslims is that way we have a problem.Larkinn said:
Because it's different from most Americans and we wonder if this might not be a subtle threat.Larkinn said:
Well, it seems to me that if Muslims can get dedicated times and prayer rooms in our public schools and Christians cannot, it appears they have "got their foot in the door" so to speak. I don't see that as being an "assumption". Why is it Christians are not allowed to get their feet in the door too?Larkinn said:
And those groups are so tiny that moderates can just ignore them as if they didn't exist?Larkinn said:
You're the one who questioned whether jihad or Muslim acts of violence existed here in the U.S. and I gave you a list proving it does. Whether they were successful or not in their attempts does not erase the fact that jihad is here.Larkinn said:
Well then, where do the kids pray? Are you saying that the boys and girls pray together in one room? I thought it was a requirement of Islam for them to pray separately.Larkinn said:
Happy to oblige.
On a personal level I agree with you that most people put God at the top of their list as well as family too.ReillyT said:
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What an absurd statement. Practicing religion on government property is practicing religion on government property. You can't discriminate by seeking out loopholes for a particular religion. In America law is supposed to be applied equally to all.Larkinn said:
A tiny majority of the far left? Who do you think you are kidding? The leftists have pretty much taken over the Democrat party. Read what the World Socialist Party is all about and then compare what the Democrat party is all about today. I'm sure you will be able to see many similarities. Even though they don't outrightly condemn capitalism, Democrats mirror Socialists on almost every issue (see Proof).Larkinn said:
So you think Muslim girls should be allowed to wear burkas to school? That's a requirement for many Muslims, a major religion. Or are you going to discriminate too among the various sects of the major Muslim religion?Larkinn said:
Let's not forget the other 20+% who would not give an answer. Why wouldn't they answer? In any case, I wouldn't want to encourage even five kids to poison the school where my kids attended. Let them pursue their religious activities on their own time.Larkinn said:
What are you first?Larkinn said:
You explained the difference based on "requirements". Is that equality under the law? Religion is religion. You are dissecting a religion down into its particular "requirements" and I see this as cherrypicking and discriminatory. Also, just because it is "only one school" does not make it right.Larkinn said:
Small groups can cause great damage. Burying your head in the sand will not protect you.Larkinn said:
Keep sticking your head in the sand...Larkinn said:
The report says "And the K-8 school has even added Arabic — the language of the Quran — to its curriculum, while segregating classes for girls, a la the Taliban." Unless you wish to reject the report out of hand, is it too hard for you to deduce that if classes are segregated prayer is most likely also segregated?Larkinn said:
Evidently the evangelicals skew the picture. Take them out and there remains a large majority who consider themselves to be Americans first. I wonder if seculars consider themselves first as Americans or something else? They were left out of the question.Larkinn said:
You may not <b>NEED</b> FOX Noise, but you repeat their talking points almost verbatim.
