Zone1 Luther was the Father of Liberalism

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just a vacationer passing through texas ...

Likely story, Karl.

 

[BreezeWood]

Likely story, Karl.

for the texas crowd - persecution and victimization of the innocent is their life's vocation - bing.

 

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for the texas crowd - persecution and victimization of the innocent is their life's vocation - bing.

You wrote the book.

 

[BreezeWood]

You wrote the book.

really, the desert bibles of forgeries and fallacies written by crucifiers and liars ... do try and keep up.

a vacation, somewhere other than texas doubtful but even you might have a semblance of recovery not long though your craving will be to return, a sinner knows where they belong.

 

[Picaro]

One moment, please...

lawliberty.org

I have thought this for a long time.. then found this site. The first article is by an author who doesn't agree w/ me (us)

But there are those who do say he is the father of liberalism. I'll investigate those others.

No one wants to respond

Probably because its simplistic rubbish. Why not just admit Jesus was himself a 'liberal', and stop pretending you have a clue?

 

[ding]

really, the desert bibles of forgeries and fallacies written by crucifiers and liars ... do try and keep up.

a vacation, somewhere other than texas doubtful but even you might have a semblance of recovery not long though your craving will be to return, a sinner knows where they belong.

So what's your favorite way to torture Christians? Boiling in oil?

 

[Zebra]

One moment, please...

lawliberty.org

I have thought this for a long time.. then found this site. The first article is by an author who doesn't agree w/ me (us)

But there are those who do say he is the father of liberalism. I'll investigate those others.

why?

 

[Anathema]

Having grown up in the LCMS (Lutheran Church Missouri Synod) and spent time as a member of an ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church of America) congregation as an adult, I think the OP may have a misunderstanding of what Luther was trying to do when he posted what have come to be known as the 95 Thesis.

Luther had no intention of leaving or breaking up the Roman Catholic Church. He simply wanted to suggest that the church needed to reread its founding document (The Bible) and put its own house in order. The church threw him out.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Having grown up in the LCMS (Lutheran Church Missouri Synod) and spent time as a member of an ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church of America) congregation as an adult, I think the OP may have a misunderstanding of what Luther was trying to do when he posted what have come to be known as the 95 Thesis.

Luther had no intention of leaving or breaking up the Roman Catholic Church. He simply wanted to suggest that the church needed to reread its founding document (The Bible) and put its own house in order. The church threw him out.

This is what false religions teach. Luther was a heretic and apostate and was formally excommunicated from the Church Christ founded (he refused to give up his heresies). There is only ONE Church that Jesus founded..

Obviously, Jesus does not need 30,000+ denominations of so called 'churches,' all in disagreement w/ one another and with HIS Church.. to teach what He wanted taught, to infallibly interpret Scripture, and all the other things the Church does.

Why do you respect Luther, a mere human being, and yet Protestants are always disparaging true popes, bishops and everyday Catholics (focusing on their humanity)? Why is Luther et al always right, and Catholics always wrong? That makes no sense and is hypocritical.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Luther had no intention of leaving or breaking up the Roman Catholic Church. He simply wanted to suggest that the church needed to reread its founding document (The Bible) and put its own house in order. The church threw him out.

At first he had no intention of leaving. But when the Church Christ founded wouldn't bend to his will, he essentially got angry, grabbed his ball and went home.. to start another "church" when no other is needed, obviously. Now, thanks to this arch-heretic, after 500 years we have confusion in Christendom and liberal "churches" that accept abortion in certain situations or maybe any situation.. divorce and re-marriage, ditto.. Now Francis and all other false leaders are supporting homosexuality..

No wonder Jesus said that Few find the narrow way to Heaven.. People would rather listen to other humans than to Christ and His Church

 

[Anathema]

Why do you respect Luther, a mere human being, and yet Protestants are always disparaging true popes, bishops and everyday Catholics (focusing on their humanity)? Why is Luther et al always right, and Catholics always wrong? That makes no sense and is hypocritical

At this point in my life I don’t respect anyone involved in organized religion, currently or historically. I don’t think Luther or the Catholic Church (or any organized religion have it right.

 

[forkintheroad7]

At this point in my life I don’t respect anyone involved in organized religion, currently or historically. I don’t think Luther or the Catholic Church (or any organized religion have it right.

Well, you are wrong to think the Catholic Church didn't get things right (although you seem more uncertain than certain about that). It is the only Church that goes back to the 1st century, the only one that can be traced back to the Ascension of Christ. The early Church Fathers, some of whom knew the 12, wrote about Confession to a priest, Eucharist, infant baptism and all things Catholic. Luther disrupted the Church in the 16th century and it was then that we got non-Catholic, false teachings. and have had them for 500 years now. The scary thing is that the True Church has always taught (continues to teach in the Sedevacantist Catholic Churches) that there is no salvation outside of it even though it makes perfect sense for Jesus to tell us that there is no salvation outside His Church..

Yet as we can see, people do nothing but hate and attack the CC.

 

[Anathema]

At first he had no intention of leaving. But when the Church Christ founded wouldn't bend to his will, he essentially got angry, grabbed his ball and went home.. to start another "church" when no other is needed, obviously. Now, thanks to this arch-heretic, after 500 years we have confusion in Christendom and liberal "churches" that accept abortion in certain situations or maybe any situation.. divorce and re-marriage, ditto.. Now Francis and all other false leaders are supporting homosexuality..

The Church threw him out. He didn’t found the Lutheran church, it coalesced around him thanks to German princes and the common people.

I'm not going to argue about theology because I don’t believe any of it anymore.

 

[Anathema]

Well, you are wrong to think the Catholic Church didn't get things right.

you are completely free to believe that, just as I’m free to tell all organized religions to leave me alone. My personal beliefs run far more Spiritual than religious at this point; and that’s the last I’ll say about anything theological.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Well, you are wrong to think the Catholic Church didn't get things right

Do you believe America was founded as a Christian nation?

 

[forkintheroad7]

The Church threw him out. He didn’t found the Lutheran church, it coalesced around him thanks to German princes and the common people.

I'm not going to argue about theology because I don’t believe any of it anymore.

It's no surprise you don't believe in it. It is false, the religion you have known. You have, if I understand things, never been Catholic. There is only ONE true Christian faith and it is the one that goes back to the time of the Ascension of Christ.

No other "Christian" religion goes back further than Luther.. 16th century. So yeh, you are correct to reject false religion.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Do you believe America was founded as a Christian nation?

of course

 

[forkintheroad7]

you are completely free to believe that, just as I’m free to tell all organized religions to leave me alone. My personal beliefs run far more Spiritual than religious at this point; and that’s the last I’ll say about anything theological.

well, that tells me nothing. Even demons are "spiritual"

James 2: Even the demons believe and tremble

It's like James is saying "So what if you believe.. Even the demons do that.."

 

[Anathema]

It's no surprise you don't believe in it. It is false, the religion you have known. You have, if I understand things, never been Catholic. There is only ONE true Christian faith and it is the one that goes back to the time of the Ascension of Christ.

No other "Christian" religion goes back further than Luther.. 16th century. So yeh, you are correct to reject false religion.

I have researched just about every organized religion in America today; even the cults, the Spiritualists, the New Age folks, etc… I find nothing of value in any of them, including the Catholic Church.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

of course

Do you believe America was founded as a Protestant Christian Nation?