Loyalists fighting in the American Revolution...I wonder which politicians today would be Loyalists...

[shockedcanadian]

I didn't realize how many who fought Americans for the British, left and went to Canada. It would be interesting to know if any current U.S politicians had Loyalist roots. An interesting read from wiki:

Loyalists fighting in the American Revolution - Wikipedia.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Consider the ones demanding that the Constitution be followed as written. Then consider the ones who want to dispense with it altogether and move to a totalitarian system.

You'll answer your own question.

 

[Gantlemagne]

I didn't realize how many who fought Americans for the British, left and went to Canada. It would be interesting to know if any current U.S politicians had Loyalist roots. An interesting read from wiki:

Loyalists fighting in the American Revolution - Wikipedia.

Part of the Federalist idealism is reconciliation with the United Kingdom of Great Britain. There is a Federalist Society still alive in the United States, and I, Myself, am a registered Federalist.

A former classmate of mine, who ran as a Democrat and was elected in PA talked about his Hessian roots here, that his family were Hessians that remained in PA after the war.

Here's an interesting read on more recent politics and diplomacy that may give you a window into who had a Loyalist mentality.

Canada–United States relations - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[whitehall]

They were all British subjects before independence was achieved and you could understand how some Colonists felt a stronger loyalty to the Crown than they did Washington, Adams and Jefferson at the time and they chose to fight on the British side. If they felt they might be hanged after the British surrender it's understandable that they might flee to Canada.

 

[Agit8r]

I thought we are calling it the Crispus Attucks Protests now

 

[Gantlemagne]

I thought we are calling it the Crispus Attucks Protests now

I actually went to Boston in order to investigate the, what I now call the Boston Defense. What I learned was that just prior to the attack (where there were armed people in the crowds, I actually went to inquire about if there were any musketball holes or damage at the site, as in behind the British Soldiers at the Customs House) there was an American that killed a British soldier at sea.

I feel as though the taxes were levied so that American colonists couldn't afford to reproduce, or buy slaves; which caused encroachment on First National States. Seemed as though the Hanoverian administered British left slavery up to British common law in Upper and Lower Canada; and in Canada slavery was deemed forbidden in Common Law cases, which may have been a summation of smaller lesser known cases. The Georgian 1763 Royal Proclamation had huge protections in place for First Nationals. The encroachments, and slavery, seemed already faux pas in High British society; especially among the Loyalists.

 

[Agit8r]

I thought we are calling it the Crispus Attucks Protests now

I actually went to Boston in order to investigate the, what I now call the Boston Defense. What I learned was that just prior to the attack (where there were armed people in the crowds, I actually went to inquire about if there were any musketball holes or damage at the site, as in behind the British Soldiers at the Customs House) there was an American that killed a British soldier at sea.

I feel as though the taxes were levied so that American colonists couldn't afford to reproduce, or buy slaves; which caused encroachment on First National States. Seemed as though the Hanoverian administered British left slavery up to British common law in Upper and Lower Canada; and in Canada slavery was deemed forbidden in Common Law cases, which may have been a summation of smaller lesser known cases. The Georgian 1763 Royal Proclamation had huge protections in place for First Nationals. The encroachments, and slavery, seemed already faux pas in High British society; especially among the Loyalists.

Very interesting stuff.

It has been my impression that British America was viewed by the English elite as a dumping ground for religious nonconformists, Travellers, sex workers, convicts, etc. And the British Americans viewed themselves as equals to the British. And so anything that smacked of disrespect was viewed with hostility.

The English has their reason for what they did though. Imperialism had it's cost. And one such cost involved forming the favorable treaties that were the basis of the proclamation you mention.

The English thought of the Natives as a buffer against the French. The British Americans viewed the Scots and other frontier settlers as savage but useful for expansion, which the Proclamation put a damper on. And the Natives viewed the furthest Frontier folks as tresspassers. It was a situation that was explosive all around.

 

[Agit8r]

I didn't realize how many who fought Americans for the British, left and went to Canada. It would be interesting to know if any current U.S politicians had Loyalist roots. An interesting read from wiki:

Loyalists fighting in the American Revolution - Wikipedia.

I guess the best way to answer would be that most present-day Americans are related to Loyalists. Families did not always go one way or another. For instance Ben Franklin's had a Loyalist son. Some Canadians had descendents that immigrated to the US. Genetically speaking, it would be hard to tell whether a person was the direct descendent or not, without a paper trail

 

[shockedcanadian]

I didn't realize how many who fought Americans for the British, left and went to Canada. It would be interesting to know if any current U.S politicians had Loyalist roots. An interesting read from wiki:

Loyalists fighting in the American Revolution - Wikipedia.

I guess the best way to answer would be that most present-day Americans are related to Loyalists. Families did not alwats go one way or another. For instance Ben Franklin's had a Loyalist son. Some Canadians had descendents that immigrated to the US. Genetically, it would be hard to tell without a paper trail.

These same Loyalists are probably working hard to achieve the same goals today, in a much broader manner of "the globe vs USA". It's been a sad spectacle to watch for so many years.

Canada has our own domestic threats to our national well being. Politicians wittingly or unwittingly are part of the problem and none courageous enough to address it, though they are not the direct source of our failures.

 

[Agit8r]

I didn't realize how many who fought Americans for the British, left and went to Canada. It would be interesting to know if any current U.S politicians had Loyalist roots. An interesting read from wiki:

Loyalists fighting in the American Revolution - Wikipedia.

I guess the best way to answer would be that most present-day Americans are related to Loyalists. Families did not alwats go one way or another. For instance Ben Franklin's had a Loyalist son. Some Canadians had descendents that immigrated to the US. Genetically, it would be hard to tell without a paper trail.

These same Loyalists are probably working hard to achieve the same goals today, in a much broader manner of "the globe vs USA". It's been a sad spectacle to watch for so many years.

Canada has our own domestic threats to our national well being. Politicians wittingly or unwittingly are part of the problem and none courageous enough to address it, though they are not the direct source of our failures.

I am probably descended from some Canadian loyalists, as best I can tell. Better documented are the lines that lead back to the American Frontier in Kentucky and Tennessee. I have 256 5th great grandparents (about that generation). so saying that the same loyalists are around today, isn't that tangible.

 

[shockedcanadian]

I didn't realize how many who fought Americans for the British, left and went to Canada. It would be interesting to know if any current U.S politicians had Loyalist roots. An interesting read from wiki:

Loyalists fighting in the American Revolution - Wikipedia.

I guess the best way to answer would be that most present-day Americans are related to Loyalists. Families did not alwats go one way or another. For instance Ben Franklin's had a Loyalist son. Some Canadians had descendents that immigrated to the US. Genetically, it would be hard to tell without a paper trail.

These same Loyalists are probably working hard to achieve the same goals today, in a much broader manner of "the globe vs USA". It's been a sad spectacle to watch for so many years.

Canada has our own domestic threats to our national well being. Politicians wittingly or unwittingly are part of the problem and none courageous enough to address it, though they are not the direct source of our failures.

I am probably descended from some Canadian loyalists, as best I can tell. Better documented are the lines that lead back to the American Frontier in Kentucky and Tennessee. I have 256 5th great grandparents (about that generation). so saying that the same loyalists are around today, isn't that tangible.

I mean the same "types" are still looking to harm America. Just look at how quickly the British fell over the last 40 years. They used to be the second largest economy in the world, now it's an annual look up of "how far did we fall this year"?

Canada emulated their system of Big Brother, Big Government, nepotism and fake socialism (meaning, control over civil liberties), we have a lower GDP than 2014 BEFORE the Wuhan Virus. I'm amazed some Americans consider us the nation you want to be like.

 

[Oddball]

I didn't realize how many who fought Americans for the British, left and went to Canada. It would be interesting to know if any current U.S politicians had Loyalist roots. An interesting read from wiki:

Loyalists fighting in the American Revolution - Wikipedia.

It's Wikipedia....

 

[Agit8r]

I didn't realize how many who fought Americans for the British, left and went to Canada. It would be interesting to know if any current U.S politicians had Loyalist roots. An interesting read from wiki:

Loyalists fighting in the American Revolution - Wikipedia.

I guess the best way to answer would be that most present-day Americans are related to Loyalists. Families did not alwats go one way or another. For instance Ben Franklin's had a Loyalist son. Some Canadians had descendents that immigrated to the US. Genetically, it would be hard to tell without a paper trail.

These same Loyalists are probably working hard to achieve the same goals today, in a much broader manner of "the globe vs USA". It's been a sad spectacle to watch for so many years.

Canada has our own domestic threats to our national well being. Politicians wittingly or unwittingly are part of the problem and none courageous enough to address it, though they are not the direct source of our failures.

I am probably descended from some Canadian loyalists, as best I can tell. Better documented are the lines that lead back to the American Frontier in Kentucky and Tennessee. I have 256 5th great grandparents (about that generation). so saying that the same loyalists are around today, isn't that tangible.

I mean the same "types" are still looking to harm America. Just look at how quickly the British fell over the last 40 years. They used to be the second largest economy in the world, now it's an annual look up of "how far did we fall this year"?

Canada emulated their system of Big Brother, Big Government, nepotism and fake socialism (meaning, control over civil liberties), we have a lower GDP than 2014 BEFORE the Wuhan Virus. I'm amazed some Americans consider us the nation you want to be like.

I see. Honestly, I don't think many people in the political system get out of bed in the morning consciously wanting to harm America. They are jockeying for advantages for their offspring, and this results in corruption (the Bidens being but a microcosm of this), and the inadvertant affect is that the government loses credibility, sovereignty erodes, enemies become emboldened, etc. Those with privilige want to maintain their position and this leads toward Machiavellian and tyrannical leanings, in order to keep the others at the bottom of the crab-bucket. Because in order to maintain privilege perpetually, merit can no longer be allowed to be the primary arbiter.

**Wanted to issue a correction of an earlier statement; it should read "over 120 5th great grandparents." ~ In an ideal world one has 128 unique 5th great grandparents. But many have somewhat fewer. And in the case of decendents of early Virginians, it is considerably fewer. ( but still the contribution from any compounded 5ggp is going to be under 10% genetically, today. Number of Ancestors in a Given Generation Back )

 

[my2¢]

I guess the Loyalist had My Country Right or Wrong painted on the back of their buckboards.

From the Wikipedia article I found it interesting that the Loyalist that relocated to England were treated with some contempt.