Lower The Bar

[Big D]

Notre Dame, needs to lower its academic standards to "get the black athlete."

"We can't stay as strict as we are as far as the academic structure is concerned because we've got to get the black athlete," Hornung said in the interview. "We must get the black athlete if we're going to compete."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/31/national/main609687.shtml

 

[NewGuy]

Well, that was interesting.

I would bet anything that this is the way things will go in the entire academic structure.

We have been sliding this direction for years.

 

[OCA]

So I guess you are saying that 1 mans comments speak for the whole university? What exactly was the point of this thread?

 

[Big D]

Originally posted by OCA
So I guess you are saying that 1 mans comments speak for the whole university? What exactly was the point of this thread?

Start with the biological differences in sports, which is something almost everyone observes. Jon Entine's recent book Taboo: Why Black Athletes Dominate Sports and Why We Are Afraid to Talk About It, addresses the old cliché that "white men can't jump" (and the new one that Oriental men jump even less well). Entine shows that in sports, Black men and women have a genetic advantage. Compared to Whites, Blacks have narrower hips, wider shoulders, less body fat, and more muscle.

Blacks also have from 3 to 19% more of the sex hormone testosterone than whites or Orientals. This translates into more explosive energy, which gives Blacks the edge in sports like boxing, basketball, football, and sprinting.

Why is it taboo to say that Blacks are on average better at sports? Because the next question is, "Why do Whites and East Asians have wider hips than Blacks, and so make poorer runners?" The answer is that they give birth to larger brained babies. During evolution, as the head size of newborns increased, women had to have a wider pelvis. The hormones that give Blacks the edge in sports also make them more masculine in general. They are physically more active in school, and this can get them into trouble and even lead to their being diagnosed as hyperactive.

Race differences show up early in life. Black babies are born a week earlier than White babies, yet they mature faster as measured by bone development. By age five or six, Black children excel in the dash, the long jump, and the high jump, all of which require a short burst of power. By the teenage years, Blacks have faster reflexes, as in the famous knee-jerk response.

The biological factors underlying race differences in sports have consequences for educational achievement, crime and sexual behavior. In educational achievement and occupational success, Orientals average slightly ahead of Whites, who average substantially ahead of Blacks. On standardized IQ tests, hundreds of studies show this three-way pattern. Most IQ tests have an average score of 100, with a "normal" range from 85 to 115. Whites average from 100 to 103. Orientals in Asia and the U.S. tend to have higher scores, about 106, even though IQ tests were made for the Euro-American culture. Blacks in the U.S., the Caribbean, Britain and Africa average lower IQs-about 85. The lowest average IQs are found for sub-Saharan Africans-from 70 to 75.

 

[NewGuy]

SO....you posted this article to somehow justify a white supremecy perspective?

Differences in physical and mental capacities -if true- are still no reason to hate or reject another. Retarted and disabled white people would categorically fit below this supposed benchmark you are trying to set for blacks.

Those white folks would not be kicked out of America by you.

Why?

The point here is that the perspective you have can never make sense no matter how many differences you may point out.

 

[OCA]

New Guy you see the type of white supremist turd you are dealing with here, right? I mean he actually buys into this crap????? Larger brains, more testosterone blah blah blah oh SWEET JESUS LMAO!

This guy hates minorities and buys into every kooky stat and online article he can lay his mitts on.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by OCA
New Guy you see the type of white supremist turd you are dealing with here, right? I mean he actually buys into this crap????? Larger brains, more testosterone blah blah blah oh SWEET JESUS LMAO!

This guy hates minorities and buys into every kooky stat and online article he can lay his mitts on.

Yup.

I like poking holes in flawed logic.

 

[jon_forward]

pardon me but Football great Paul Hornung is totally full of crap. Notre Dame has, according to the news release, 12% plus more African Americans than the average NCAA div.1 football team. as for the theory of african americans being better athletes, did you watch the ladies Duke/Minn NCAA Basketball game? Minn won. How many african americans do they have on the floor? 1! how many caucasains does Duke have? 0.

 

[Big D]

Originally posted by NewGuy
SO....you posted this article to somehow justify a white supremecy perspective?

Differences in physical and mental capacities -if true- are still no reason to hate or reject another. Retarted and disabled white people would categorically fit below this supposed benchmark you are trying to set for blacks.

Those white folks would not be kicked out of America by you.

Why?

The point here is that the perspective you have can never make sense no matter how many differences you may point out.

I did not say anything about supremecy, hate, rejection or kicking anyone out of America, those are your own thoughts.

I am simply pointing out the many differences there are between the many different races.

Such as the fact that blacks have much higher levels of testosterone when compared to all other races. Gee, I wonder why men are better athletes then women?

 

[Big D]

Jon,
Do you really want to debate if blacks are better athletes then whites or Asians?

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by Big D

Race differences show up early in life. Black babies are born a week earlier than White babies, yet they mature faster as measured by bone development. By age five or six, Black children excel in the dash, the long jump, and the high jump, all of which require a short burst of power. By the teenage years, Blacks have faster reflexes, as in the famous knee-jerk response.

Just to laugh a bit more, lemme tell you a few things:

1. I was a premie. -My lungs werent even developed.
2. I matured MUCH faster than anyone else around me my age.
3. BEFORE age 5 I was a runner, and all through school nobody was faster or more agile. I then became interested in weightlifting where I would routinely leg press 850 lbs. If I wanted to show off, I did 500 with one leg.

The biological factors underlying race differences in sports have consequences for educational achievement, crime and sexual behavior.

I have also been on both sides of the law.

In educational achievement and occupational success, Orientals average slightly ahead of Whites, who average substantially ahead of Blacks. On standardized IQ tests, hundreds of studies show this three-way pattern. Most IQ tests have an average score of 100, with a "normal" range from 85 to 115. Whites average from 100 to 103. Orientals in Asia and the U.S. tend to have higher scores, about 106, even though IQ tests were made for the Euro-American culture. Blacks in the U.S., the Caribbean, Britain and Africa average lower IQs-about 85. The lowest average IQs are found for sub-Saharan Africans-from 70 to 75.

The smart ones will keep from getting tested which renders your evidence more insane. Getting tested means being flagged and segregated, then put into think tanks where your capacities are exploited and your initiative and spirit for independence are curbed.

I happened to be reading and writing college level before jr. high school, and science was something I excelled at equally fast.

Where are your statistics in relation to that?

 

[Big D]

New Guy,
You are simply giving your personal OPINION without ANY facts.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by Big D
New Guy,
You are simply giving your personal OPINION without ANY facts.

Dang. You got me.

I am only an opinion. -Not a fact.

 

[Big D]

New Guy,
Here are some Facts you can try to poke your holes in:

INTELLIGENCE

The I.Q.'s of American Negroes are from 15 to 20 points, on average, below those of American Whites.

These Black\White differences have been demonstrated repeatedly by every test ever conducted by every branch of the U.S. Military, every state, county, and local school board, the U.S. Dept. of Education, etc. The same ratio of difference has held true over a 40 year period.

With an average I.Q. of 85, only 16% of Blacks score over 100, while half the White population does. The Negro overlap of White median I.Q.'s ranges from 10 to 25 percent-- equality would require 50 percent.

Blacks are 6 times as likely to have I.Q.'s of 50 to 70 which put them in the slow learner (retarded) category, while Whites are ten times more likely to score 130 or over.

The U.S. government's PACE examination, given to 100,000 university graduates who are prospective professional or administrative civil-service employees each year, is passed with a score of 70 or above by 58% of the whites who take it but by only 12% of the Negroes. Among top scorers the difference between Negro and White performance is even more striking: 16% of the white applicants make scores of 90 or above, while only one-fifth of one percent of a Negro applicants score as high as 90--a White/Black success ration of 80/1.

Differences between Negro and White children increase with chronological age, the gap in performance being largest at the high school and college levels.

White/Negro I.Q. differences are constantly excused as results of environmental variations. but at least five studies that have attempted to equate socio-economic backgrounds of the two races indicate no significant change in relative results. As environment improves, the Negro does better but so does the White. The gap is not decreased. In fact, extensive research by DR. G.J. McGurk, associate Professor of Psychology at Villanove University, reveals that the gap in intelligence between Blacks and Whites INCREASES where socio-economic levels of both races are raised to the middle classes.

Dr. G.W. Ferfuson took 1000 school children in Virginia, divided them into 5 racial categories, and tested them for mental aptitude. On average. full-blooded Negroes scored 69.2% as high as Whites. Three-quarter Negroes scored 73.0% as high as Whites. One-half Negroes scored 81.2% as high as Whites. One-quarter Negroes scored 91.8% as high as Whites. All of these Blacks lived as and considered themselves "Negroes." Their environments and "advantages" or disadvantages were exactly the same.

: Results of the Army Beta test given by the U.S. Army to over 386,000 illiterate soldiers in WWI showed Negro draftees to be "inferior to the Whites on all types of tests used in the Army." Additionally, tests were conducted upon pure Negroes, Mulattoes, and Quadroons. It was found that "the lighter groups made better scores."

Studies conducted with identical twins raised apart in radically different environments provide conclusive evidence that over-all influence of heredity exceeds that of environment in a ratio of about 3 to 1.

Even when Blacks and Whites have the same backgrounds, in terms of family income and childhood advantages, Blacks still have average I.Q. scores 12 to 15 points lower than comparable Whites. This includes cases where Black children have been adopted by White parents. Their I.Q.s may be improved by environment, but they are still closer to their biological parents than their adoptive parents.

Equalitarian ideologists often discount I.Q. test results with the excuse that they are culturally biased. Nonetheless, NO ONE, not the NAACP nor the United Negro College Fund, nor NEA had been able to develop an intelligence test which shows Blacks and Whites scoring equally.

American Indians, who often live in conditions far worse than American Blacks during their entire lives, still consistently outscore them on I.Q. tests.

THE NEGRO BRAIN

Among human races numerous studies have been made of the comparative weight of White and Negro brains with results that fell within the range of about an 8-12 percent lower weight for the Negro brain. Such studies have been conducted by Bean, Pearl, Vint, Tilney, Gordon, Todd, and others.

In addition to the difference in brain weight, the Negro brain grows less after puberty than the white. Though the Negro brain and nervous system mature faster than the white brain, its development is arrested at an earlier age which limits further intellectual advancement.

The thickness of the supragranular layer (the outside layer) of the Negro brain is about 15 percent thinner, and its convolutions are fewer and more simple, on average, than that of the White brain.

The frontal lobes of the Negro brain, responsible for abstract conceptional reasoning, are smaller relative to body weight, less fissured, and less complex than those of the White brain.

ANTHROPOLOGY

The Negro skull, in addition to having a smaller brain volume and thicker cranial bones than that of the White, is prognathous; i.e., the lower face projects forward, rather in the manner of an animal's muzzle. In consequence, the Negro jaw is substantially longer, relative to its width, than the White jaw. A feature of the Negro lower jaw is its retention of a vestige of the "simian shelf," a bony region immediately behind the incisors. The simian shelf is a distinguishing characteristic of apes, and it is absent in Whites.

The skin of the Negro is thicker and possibly superior to the White's in the way it impedes the penetration of germs and in its protection from the ultraviolet rays of the sun.

The dark color of the Negro is due to melanin pigment which is spread through every layer of the skin and is found even in the muscles and brain.

Negroes have arms which are longer, relative to body height, than those of Whites. This feature, together with their much thicker cranial bones, gives Black athletes an advantage over Whites in boxing. The skeletal and muscular peculiarities of Negroes' lower limbs have given them considerable success as sprinters, but have left them relative undistinguished as distance runners.

ADDITIONAL DIFFERENCES
The hair is black, crispy, and "woolly" in texture, it is flat and elliptical with no central canal or duct like the hair of Europeans.
The nose is thick, broad and flat, often turned up nostrils exposing the red inner lining of the mucous membrane similar to an ape.
The arms and legs of the Negro are relatively longer than the European. The humerus is a trifle shorter and the forearm longer thereby approximating the simian form.
The eyes are prominent, iris black and the orbits large. The eye often has a yellowish sclerotic coat over it like that of a gorilla.
The Negro has a shorter trunk the cross-section of the chest is more circular than whites. The pelvis is narrower and longer as it is in an ape.
The mouth is wide with very thick, large and protruding lips.
Negro skin has a thick superficial horny layer which resists scratching and impedes the penetration of germs.
The Negro has a larger and shorter neck akin to that of anthropoids.
The cranial sutures are more simple than in the white type and close together earlier.
The ears are roundish, rather small, standing somewhat high and detached thus approaching the simian form.
The Negro is more powerfully developed from the pelvis down and the white more powerfully developed in the chest.
The jaw is larger and stronger and protrudes outward which, along with lower retreating forehead, gives a facial angle of 68 to 70 degrees as opposed to a facial angle of 80 to 82 degrees for Europeans.
The hands and fingers are proportionally narrower and longer. The wrist and ankles are shorter and more robust.
The frontal and paricial bones of the cranium are less excavated and less capacious. The skull is thicker especially on the sides.
The brain of the Negro on the average is 9 to 20% smaller than whites.
The teeth are larger and are wider apart than in the white race.
The three curvatures of the spine are less pronounced in the Negro than in the white and thus more characteristic of an ape.
The femur of the Negro is less oblique, the tibia (shin bone) more curved and bent forward, the calf of the leg high and but little developed.
The heel is broad and projecting, the foot long and broad but slightly arched causing flat soles, the great toe is shorter than in the white.
The two bones proper of the nose are occasionally united, as in apes.

CRIME

The rate at which Blacks commit murder is thirteen times that of Whites; Rape and assault, ten times. These figures, as given by the F.B.I. reports, vary somewhat from year to year but fairly represent the trend for the past decade.

Though only 12% of the U.S. population, Blacks commit more than half of all rapes and robberies and 60% of all murders in the U.S.

 

[NewGuy]

You haven't answered my question.

 

[Big D]

Whats your question?

 

[NewGuy]

Where are your statistics in relation to my post of myself?

You know, the one you called opinion.

 

[Big D]

Originally posted by NewGuy
The smart ones will keep from getting tested which renders your evidence more insane. Getting tested means being flagged and segregated, then put into think tanks where your capacities are exploited and your initiative and spirit for independence are curbed.

I happened to be reading and writing college level before jr. high school, and science was something I excelled at equally fast.

Where are your statistics in relation to that?

On the average the majority of blacks have low IQ's, but not all blacks.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by Big D
On the average the majority of blacks have low IQ's, but not all blacks.

You missed the question again. You are proving not all whites to be superior. Apparently, according to what I have read on this board so far, is that the average IQ of the white supremacist is roughly half of mine.

If that statistic sounds wrong, remember: It is equal to your statistics given the criteria they are taken from -rudimentary biased non-laboratory quality generalizations with no logical correlation to anything relevant and excluding socioeconomic and immigratory historical patterns.

Oh, hell. There I go again using big words.

 

[Big D]

Originally posted by NewGuy

If that statistic sounds wrong, remember: It is equal to your statistics given the criteria they are taken from -rudimentary biased non-laboratory quality generalizations with no logical correlation to anything relevant and excluding socioeconomic and immigratory historical patterns.

Oh, hell. There I go again using big words.

White/Negro I.Q. differences are constantly excused as results of environmental variations. but at least five studies that have attempted to equate socio-economic backgrounds of the two races indicate no significant change in relative results. As environment improves, the Negro does better but so does the White. The gap is not decreased. In fact, extensive research by DR. G.J. McGurk, associate Professor of Psychology at Villanove University, reveals that the gap in intelligence between Blacks and Whites INCREASES where socio-economic levels of both races are raised to the middle classes.

Dr. G.W. Ferfuson took 1000 school children in Virginia, divided them into 5 racial categories, and tested them for mental aptitude. On average. full-blooded Negroes scored 69.2% as high as Whites. Three-quarter Negroes scored 73.0% as high as Whites. One-half Negroes scored 81.2% as high as Whites. One-quarter Negroes scored 91.8% as high as Whites. All of these Blacks lived as and considered themselves "Negroes." Their environments and "advantages" or disadvantages were exactly the same.