Looks Like The Cat's Out Of The Bag....

[Crick]

What sort of amazing school did you graduate from Ms Chic? They seemed to have skipped right past the Socratic Method to bone you up on Whizzo the Circus Clown.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What sort of amazing school did you graduate from Ms Chic? They seemed to have skipped right past the Socratic Method to bone you up on Whizzo the Circus Clown.

The school with the best fight song in the nation.

 

[toobfreak]

Where do you teach people about AGW lies? Certainly not a legitimate scientific institution. Are you talking about your beer club or something?

LOL

I am not as stupid as you are... Please get back to topic. Tell me, do you believe your failed modeling? Why do you believe it?

I don't think you teach anybody about climate science. You should go do some research and listen to what actual scientists have to say about the topic.

And again you ASSUME....

Yet you never address the facts I presented you? Now why would that be? So interested in my personal endevours and not so interested in the facts you refuse to address.

Are you simply a left wing hack who is set on finding me and trying to use force an fear to shut me up? Is that your game?

Some dumb redneck that thinks he understands climate science better than actual climate scientists is not worth that kind of effort. You should endeavor to have more than a rudimentary understanding of English before you start lying about your academic credentials.

Thank You for confirming you are a political hack. You have no intention to discuss the topic and you insist on speaking from a position of ignorance...

Nice attempt at Saul Alyinsky's Rules for Radicals by the way. Good effort..

You hit three or four of your rules in an attempt to discredit and bait me.... Now kindly FUCK OFF. You are not worth my time.

Meantime, in the real world while the Atheist-Socialists try to foist carbon credits and climate change on us as to all the evil man is doing to wildlife and the planet, reality kicks us in the teeth to what the planet is doing all on its own:

A century ago, a strain of pandemic flu killed up to 100 million people—5 percent of the world’s population. In 2013, a new mystery illness swept the western coast of North America, causing starfish to disintegrate. In 2015, a big-nosed Asian antelope known as the saiga lost two-thirds of its population—some 200,000 individuals—to what now looks to be a bacterial infection. But none of these devastating infections comes close to the destructive power of Bd—a singularly apocalyptic fungus that’s unrivaled in its ability not only to kill animals, but to delete entire species from existence.

Bd—Batrachochytrium dendrobatidis in full—kills frogs and other amphibians by eating away at their skin and triggering fatal heart attacks. It’s often said that the fungus has caused the decline or extinction of 200 amphibian species, but that figure is almost two decades out-of-date. New figures, compiled by a team led by Ben Scheele from the Australian National University, are much worse.

Scheele’s team estimates that the fungus has caused the decline of 501 amphibian species—about 6.5 percent of the known total. Of these, 90 have been wiped out entirely. Another 124 have fallen by more than 90 percent, and their odds of recovery are slim. Never in recorded history has a single disease burned down so much of the tree of life. “It rewrote our understanding of what disease could do to wildlife,” Scheele says.

“It’s a terrifying summary,” says Jodi Rowley from the Australian Museum. “We knew it was bad, but this really confirms how bad. And these are just the declines we know about.”

The Worst Disease Ever Recorded

Mankind can't even come close to competing with nature!

 

[Sunsettommy]

Remember this, from the first Republican President?

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.


Looks like the Global Warming Scam has run its course.


"New Gallup Poll: Americans do not even mention global warming as a problem – 36 ‘problems’ cited, but not climate

According to the latest Gallup poll, NOBODY thinks global warming is our most important problem, contrary to what NRCM, Audubon and CLF sock puppets tell us."
New Gallup Poll: Americans do not even mention global warming as a problem – 36 ‘problems’ cited, but not climate



Oh, noooozzzzz!!!!

Now we're gonna have to find a whole new bunch of human piñatas!!!

According to a March 25, 2019 Poll:

Americans as Concerned as Ever About Global Warming

66% believe global warming is caused by human activity, near all-time high
65% Say most scientist believe Global Warming is
occurring
59% Believe the effects of Global Warning have already begun
For the first time since 2001, a majority of Americans are classified as Concerned Believers.
Americans as Concerned as Ever About Global Warming

Oh look another dishonest, misleading SINGLE ISSUE polling mantra, where you can always get a high score on something because there are no other concerns allowed to reduce the score. Dishonest and misleading, don't you climate doomsday nuts ever think about what you write?

Go back to post ONE, where it allows open ended MULTIPLE issues to be CHOSEN in a poll that makes clear what people really think about global warming, it didn't even get a single mention. That is the honest way to gauge how people place their concerns that are important to them.

 

[toobfreak]

LOL

I am not as stupid as you are... Please get back to topic. Tell me, do you believe your failed modeling? Why do you believe it?

I don't think you teach anybody about climate science. You should go do some research and listen to what actual scientists have to say about the topic.

And again you ASSUME....

Yet you never address the facts I presented you? Now why would that be? So interested in my personal endevours and not so interested in the facts you refuse to address.

Are you simply a left wing hack who is set on finding me and trying to use force an fear to shut me up? Is that your game?

Some dumb redneck that thinks he understands climate science better than actual climate scientists is not worth that kind of effort. You should endeavor to have more than a rudimentary understanding of English before you start lying about your academic credentials.

Thank You for confirming you are a political hack. You have no intention to discuss the topic and you insist on speaking from a position of ignorance...

Nice attempt at Saul Alyinsky's Rules for Radicals by the way. Good effort..

You hit three or four of your rules in an attempt to discredit and bait me.... Now kindly FUCK OFF. You are not worth my time.

Meantime, in the real world while the Atheist-Socialists try to foist carbon credits and climate change on us as to all the evil man is doing to wildlife and the planet, reality kicks us in the teeth to what the planet is doing all on its own:

A century ago, a strain of pandemic flu killed up to 100 million people—5 percent of the world’s population. In 2013, a new mystery illness swept the western coast of North America, causing starfish to disintegrate. In 2015, a big-nosed Asian antelope known as the saiga lost two-thirds of its population—some 200,000 individuals—to what now looks to be a bacterial infection. But none of these devastating infections comes close to the destructive power of Bd—a singularly apocalyptic fungus that’s unrivaled in its ability not only to kill animals, but to delete entire species from existence.

Bd—Batrachochytrium dendrobatidis in full—kills frogs and other amphibians by eating away at their skin and triggering fatal heart attacks. It’s often said that the fungus has caused the decline or extinction of 200 amphibian species, but that figure is almost two decades out-of-date. New figures, compiled by a team led by Ben Scheele from the Australian National University, are much worse.

Scheele’s team estimates that the fungus has caused the decline of 501 amphibian species—about 6.5 percent of the known total. Of these, 90 have been wiped out entirely. Another 124 have fallen by more than 90 percent, and their odds of recovery are slim. Never in recorded history has a single disease burned down so much of the tree of life. “It rewrote our understanding of what disease could do to wildlife,” Scheele says.

“It’s a terrifying summary,” says Jodi Rowley from the Australian Museum. “We knew it was bad, but this really confirms how bad. And these are just the declines we know about.”

The Worst Disease Ever Recorded

Mankind can't even come close to competing with nature!

Oh Look! Here goes perrenial pinhead Abu Afuk again with one of his ubiquitous Funnys. He funnies anything that doesn't agree with him like it makes a freeking difference. Now he thinks animals having their skin eaten through until they have a heart attack is funny!

 

[Flopper]

Remember this, from the first Republican President?

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.


Looks like the Global Warming Scam has run its course.


"New Gallup Poll: Americans do not even mention global warming as a problem – 36 ‘problems’ cited, but not climate

According to the latest Gallup poll, NOBODY thinks global warming is our most important problem, contrary to what NRCM, Audubon and CLF sock puppets tell us."
New Gallup Poll: Americans do not even mention global warming as a problem – 36 ‘problems’ cited, but not climate



Oh, noooozzzzz!!!!

Now we're gonna have to find a whole new bunch of human piñatas!!!

According to a March 25, 2019 Poll:

Americans as Concerned as Ever About Global Warming

66% believe global warming is caused by human activity, near all-time high
65% Say most scientist believe Global Warming is
occurring
59% Believe the effects of Global Warning have already begun
For the first time since 2001, a majority of Americans are classified as Concerned Believers.
Americans as Concerned as Ever About Global Warming

Oh look another dishonest, misleading SINGLE ISSUE polling mantra, where you can always get a high score on something because there are no other concerns allowed to reduce the score. Dishonest and misleading, don't you climate doomsday nuts ever think about what you write?

Go back to post ONE, where it allows open ended MULTIPLE issues to be CHOSEN in a poll that makes clear what people really think about global warming, it didn't even get a single mention. That is the honest way to gauge how people place their concerns that are important to them.

Remember this, from the first Republican President?

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.


Looks like the Global Warming Scam has run its course.


"New Gallup Poll: Americans do not even mention global warming as a problem – 36 ‘problems’ cited, but not climate

According to the latest Gallup poll, NOBODY thinks global warming is our most important problem, contrary to what NRCM, Audubon and CLF sock puppets tell us."
New Gallup Poll: Americans do not even mention global warming as a problem – 36 ‘problems’ cited, but not climate



Oh, noooozzzzz!!!!

Now we're gonna have to find a whole new bunch of human piñatas!!!

According to a March 25, 2019 Poll:

Americans as Concerned as Ever About Global Warming

66% believe global warming is caused by human activity, near all-time high
65% Say most scientist believe Global Warming is
occurring
59% Believe the effects of Global Warning have already begun
For the first time since 2001, a majority of Americans are classified as Concerned Believers.
Americans as Concerned as Ever About Global Warming

Oh look another dishonest, misleading SINGLE ISSUE polling mantra, where you can always get a high score on something because there are no other concerns allowed to reduce the score. Dishonest and misleading, don't you climate doomsday nuts ever think about what you write?

Go back to post ONE, where it allows open ended MULTIPLE issues to be CHOSEN in a poll that makes clear what people really think about global warming, it didn't even get a single mention. That is the honest way to gauge how people place their concerns that are important to them.

Actually it is listed (Environment/Pollution).
The link in your post does not point directly to Gallup but Climate Depot, a project of CFACT, a climate change denier for over two decades. If you follow the links, you will see it does not lead to to the Gallup survey at all but to a PDF which is not the survey but information on how a survey on consumption habits was conducted. Pardon me if I'm a bit suspicious but I find most of the climate change denier's links either don't support their article, are misleading or complete fabrications.
New Gallup Poll: Americans do not even mention global warming as a problem – 36 ‘problems’ cited, but not climate

Satisfaction With the U.S. and Most Important Problem (Trends)

 

[Crick]

Remember this, from the first Republican President?

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.


Looks like the Global Warming Scam has run its course.


"New Gallup Poll: Americans do not even mention global warming as a problem – 36 ‘problems’ cited, but not climate

According to the latest Gallup poll, NOBODY thinks global warming is our most important problem, contrary to what NRCM, Audubon and CLF sock puppets tell us."
New Gallup Poll: Americans do not even mention global warming as a problem – 36 ‘problems’ cited, but not climate



Oh, noooozzzzz!!!!

Now we're gonna have to find a whole new bunch of human piñatas!!!

With Trump in office, an Earth-destroying asteroid would have to take second place.

And, I have to ask, but when you say you have to find a whole new bunch of human piñatas, are you suggesting that you have been metaphorically bearing people who accept mainstream science with sticks and now you believe those victims are gone and you have to find new ones?

 

[jc456]

Gore's climate film has scientific errors - judge

---
Mr Justice Barton yesterday said that while the film was "broadly accurate" in its presentation of climate change, he identified nine significant errors in the film,
---

So, the judge called the film "broadly accurate". That seems rather the opposite of "propaganda".

When did a judge become a film critic

 

[Crick]

When did he become a scientist?

FWIW, "roadly accurate" is infinitely better than anything you and yours have come up with in the last ten years.

 

[Flopper]

Remember this, from the first Republican President?

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.


Looks like the Global Warming Scam has run its course.


"New Gallup Poll: Americans do not even mention global warming as a problem – 36 ‘problems’ cited, but not climate

According to the latest Gallup poll, NOBODY thinks global warming is our most important problem, contrary to what NRCM, Audubon and CLF sock puppets tell us."
New Gallup Poll: Americans do not even mention global warming as a problem – 36 ‘problems’ cited, but not climate



Oh, noooozzzzz!!!!

Now we're gonna have to find a whole new bunch of human piñatas!!!

With Trump in office, an Earth-destroying asteroid would have to take second place.

And, I have to ask, but when you say you have to find a whole new bunch of human piñatas, are you suggesting that you have been metaphorically bearing people who accept mainstream science with sticks and now you believe those victims are gone and you have to find new ones?

He would just call it false news.

 

[flacaltenn]

A quick quiz for you Ms Chic. What do all naval bases possess?

Piers. Fixed structures to which large ships may be moored. As sea level rises, moored ships rise with respect to the piers. Problem.

Let's see.. If they were built in 1920s at about 1"/decade, that's a whole 8 or 9"... About the size of foot long dog at Sonic.. LOL....

And it'll be another 8 or 9" in ANOTHER 80 years.. I think the Sea Bees can handle this WITHOUT the politicos grandstanding..

But I wager the BIGGER concern is adding another ENTIRE ocean to chase the Chinese and Russians around in. Might need an "Arctic Fleet Command" that operates a whole 3 or 4 months a year by 2070...

 

[Marion Morrison]

How much mainstream science backed up your "make the ropes longer"?

 

[flacaltenn]

View attachment 252594
Rising Seas Are Flooding Virginia’s Naval Base, and There’s No Plan to Fix It

View attachment 252595

Rising oceans threaten to submerge 128 military bases: report

and

National Defense in Jeopardy: Rising Seas Put These Military Bases at Risk of Destruction

2nd picture -- that building is 15 ft above sea level easy.. You can see the bay in the background. That's a DRAINAGE problem, not a GW problem..

Also your article about the 16 bases "threaten" uses projections that are NOT realistic.. Most based on

• Projected sea level rise: 3.7 to 6.1 feet by 2100

NOT gonna happen.. Emissions scenarios and other catastrophic aspects of modeling this scary number are not likely... The REPORTS never treat the worst cases as "likely"...

And I worked at Kennedy Space Center. Been OUT to most of the launch pads.. They are 20 ft min above sea level.. And they are almost impervious to high tide and storm surge if there's not a bird on pad...

 

[Wyatt earp]

View attachment 252594
Rising Seas Are Flooding Virginia’s Naval Base, and There’s No Plan to Fix It

View attachment 252595

Rising oceans threaten to submerge 128 military bases: report

and

National Defense in Jeopardy: Rising Seas Put These Military Bases at Risk of Destruction

2nd picture -- that building is 15 ft above sea level easy.. You can see the bay in the background. That's a DRAINAGE problem, not a GW problem..

Also your article about the 16 bases "threaten" uses projections that are NOT realistic.. Most based on

• Projected sea level rise: 3.7 to 6.1 feet by 2100

NOT gonna happen.. Emissions scenarios and other catastrophic aspects of modeling this scary number are not likely... The REPORTS never treat the worst cases as "likely"...

And I worked at Kennedy Space Center. Been OUT to most of the launch pads.. They are 20 ft min above sea level.. And they are almost impervious to high tide and storm surge if there's not a bird on pad...

Its weird how all of a sudden the words "Erosion" and "Island sinking" all of a sudden left their vocabulary's the past 10 years or so.

 

[toobfreak]

Looks like Conservative misinformation is working

Looks like your head is still stuck squarely up your ass.

"Conservative misinformation."
"Man-Made Climate Change."

The climate monger Leftards won't bother reading this but you ought to.

Just the other day I read where someone touted an article claiming that all the Earth's volcanoes and nature's output amounts to something like 1% of what man does! Does anyone remember being told that? Well, just imagine if man put out IN ONE INSTANT:

• energy released more than that of a billion Hiroshima bombs
• material several times hotter than the surface of the sun that set fire to everything within a thousand miles
• giant tsunamis tearing up coastlines, sometimes peeling up hundreds of feet deep of rock, pushing the debris inland and then sucking it back out into deep water
• dust and soot preventing all sunlight from reaching the planet’s surface for months
• photosynthesis all but stopped killing most of the plant life, extinguishing the phytoplankton in the oceans causing the amount of oxygen in the atmosphere to plummet
• seventy-five per cent of all species went extinct
• more than 99.9999 per cent of all living organisms on Earth died
• a trillion tons of carbon dioxide released in an instant
• ten billion tons of methane
• a billion tons of carbon monoxide
• ten trillion tons of sulfur compounds aloft
• acid rain that was potent enough to strip the leaves from plants and to leach the nutrients from the soil

I think any reasonable person will admit that all of that at once is many times worse than spread out over years and decades!

A sci-fi horror story? Predictions for man's future actions?

Nope. This already happened at least once. And man didn't do it. It happened 66million years ago as calculated by one of the most powerful computers in the world and in fact, LEFT US WITH THE WORLD WE HAVE TODAY.

Let me put that another way: WE WOULDN'T BE HERE IF THAT HADN'T HAPPENED.

The WORST thing that ever happened to this planet was actually necessary in order to bring about the BEST thing that ever happened: THE RISE OF A TECHNOLOGICAL, SELF-AWARE SPECIES.

If, on a certain evening about sixty-six million years ago, you had stood somewhere in North America and looked up at the sky, you would have soon made out what appeared to be a star. If you watched for an hour or two, the star would have seemed to grow in brightness, although it barely moved. That’s because it was not a star but an asteroid, and it was headed directly for Earth at about forty-five thousand miles an hour. Sixty hours later, the asteroid hit. The air in front was compressed and violently heated, and it blasted a hole through the atmosphere, generating a supersonic shock wave. The asteroid struck a shallow sea where the Yucatán peninsula is today. In that moment, the Cretaceous period ended and the Paleogene period began.

A few years ago, scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory used what was then one of the world’s most powerful computers, the so-called Q Machine, to model the effects of the impact. The result was a slow-motion, second-by-second false-color video of the event. Within two minutes of slamming into Earth, the asteroid, which was at least six miles wide, had gouged a crater about eighteen miles deep and lofted twenty-five trillion metric tons of debris into the atmosphere. Picture the splash of a pebble falling into pond water, but on a planetary scale. When Earth’s crust rebounded, a peak higher than Mt. Everest briefly rose up. The energy released was more than that of a billion Hiroshima bombs, but the blast looked nothing like a nuclear explosion, with its signature mushroom cloud. Instead, the initial blowout formed a “rooster tail,” a gigantic jet of molten material, which exited the atmosphere, some of it fanning out over North America. Much of the material was several times hotter than the surface of the sun, and it set fire to everything within a thousand miles. In addition, an inverted cone of liquefied, superheated rock rose, spread outward as countless red-hot blobs of glass, called tektites, and blanketed the Western Hemisphere.

Some of the ejecta escaped Earth’s gravitational pull and went into irregular orbits around the sun. Over millions of years, bits of it found their way to other planets and moons in the solar system. Mars was eventually strewn with the debris—just as pieces of Mars, knocked aloft by ancient asteroid impacts, have been found on Earth. A 2013 study in the journal Astrobiology estimated that tens of thousands of pounds of impact rubble may have landed on Titan, a moon of Saturn, and on Europa and Callisto, which orbit Jupiter—three satellites that scientists believe may have promising habitats for life. Mathematical models indicate that at least some of this vagabond debris still harbored living microbes. The asteroid may have sown life throughout the solar system, even as it ravaged life on Earth.

The asteroid was vaporized on impact. Its substance, mingling with vaporized Earth rock, formed a fiery plume, which reached halfway to the moon before collapsing in a pillar of incandescent dust. Computer models suggest that the atmosphere within fifteen hundred miles of ground zero became red hot from the debris storm, triggering gigantic forest fires. As the Earth rotated, the airborne material converged at the opposite side of the planet, where it fell and set fire to the entire Indian subcontinent. Measurements of the layer of ash and soot that eventually coated the Earth indicate that fires consumed about seventy per cent of the world’s forests. Meanwhile, giant tsunamis resulting from the impact churned across the Gulf of Mexico, tearing up coastlines, sometimes peeling up hundreds of feet of rock, pushing debris inland and then sucking it back out into deep water, leaving jumbled deposits that oilmen sometimes encounter in the course of deep-sea drilling.

The damage had only begun. Scientists still debate many of the details, which are derived from the computer models, and from field studies of the debris layer, knowledge of extinction rates, fossils and microfossils, and many other clues. But the over-all view is consistently grim. The dust and soot from the impact and the conflagrations prevented all sunlight from reaching the planet’s surface for months. Photosynthesis all but stopped, killing most of the plant life, extinguishing the phytoplankton in the oceans, and causing the amount of oxygen in the atmosphere to plummet. After the fires died down, Earth plunged into a period of cold, perhaps even a deep freeze. Earth’s two essential food chains, in the sea and on land, collapsed. About seventy-five per cent of all species went extinct. More than 99.9999 per cent of all living organisms on Earth died, and the carbon cycle came to a halt.

Earth itself became toxic. When the asteroid struck, it vaporized layers of limestone, releasing into the atmosphere a trillion tons of carbon dioxide, ten billion tons of methane, and a billion tons of carbon monoxide; all three are powerful greenhouse gases. The impact also vaporized anhydrite rock, which blasted ten trillion tons of sulfur compounds aloft. The sulfur combined with water to form sulfuric acid, which then fell as an acid rain that may have been potent enough to strip the leaves from any surviving plants and to leach the nutrients from the soil.

One day sixty-six million years ago, life on Earth almost came to a shattering end. The world that emerged after the impact was a much simpler place. When sunlight finally broke through the haze, it illuminated a hellish landscape. The oceans were empty. The land was covered with drifting ash. The forests were charred stumps. The cold gave way to extreme heat as a greenhouse effect kicked in. Life mostly consisted of mats of algae and growths of fungus: for years after the impact, the Earth was covered with little other than ferns. Furtive, ratlike mammals lived in the gloomy understory.

But eventually life emerged and blossomed again, in new forms. The KT event continues to attract the interest of scientists in no small part because the ashen print it left on the planet is an existential reminder. “We wouldn’t be here talking on the phone if that meteorite hadn’t fallen,” Smit told me, with a laugh. DePalma agreed. For the first hundred million years of their existence, before the asteroid struck, mammals scurried about the feet of the dinosaurs, amounting to little. “But when the dinosaurs were gone it freed them,” DePalma said. In the next epoch, mammals underwent an explosion of adaptive radiation, evolving into a dazzling variety of forms, from tiny bats to gigantic titanotheres, from horses to whales, from fearsome creodonts to large-brained primates with hands that could grasp and minds that could see through time.

“We can trace our origins back to that event.”

The Day the Dinosaurs Died

SO THE NEXT TIME SOME IDIOT TELLS YOU THAT MAN PUTS OUT FAR MORE THAN NATURE OR THAT WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF CAUSING A MAJOR CRISIS OR MIGHT BE CAUSING THE EXTINCTION OF A FEW SPECIES, READ HIM THIS. Something ten million million times worse than anything we can imagine actually brought about the beautiful green, lush, blue-skied planet we have today, with the most advanced species of life to have even known to have lived, and the Earth isn't going to be forever ruined by a few cars, trucks, planes and factories. In fact, it might actually lead to something BETTER. Just like it did for us.

 

[flacaltenn]

And the brows and the shore power leads and redesign the camels and rerun power and steam and phone lines..

I guess the Navy was confused. They should have asked you Mike. Silly sailors.

"Why would Al Gore buy a 9 million dollar house by the ocean if he thinks that the oceans are going to rise by 10 feet?"
https://www.quora.com/Why-would-Al-...-that-the-oceans-are-going-to-rise-by-10-feet

Why would some one like you like continually about this? Montecito, California, lies at 180 ft above sea level.

Montecito, California - Wikipedia

Yeah -- but being a moron at quora doesn't mean you've thunk it out completely.. Al Gore the "They Played on YOUR FEARS" guy --- has only ONE WAY OUT of that hillside property.. And that's highway 101 right at the coast ON THE BEACH...

Drone Footage Shows Flood Damage That Shut Down Highway 101 South of Santa Barbara

 

[flacaltenn]

66% believe global warming is caused by human activity, near all-time high
65% Say most scientist believe Global Warming is
occurring
59% Believe the effects of Global Warning have already begun

None of those questions are specific enough for a problem like this. I'll give GW up to HALF the credit for the warming those people in the poll have seen in their lifetime.. It's certainly more than 1% right?

And not even the majority of climate scientists believe that the 0.6DEgC change in our lifetime is causing effects we can see.. No one single weather event can be attributed to a 0.6degC or 1DegC change in OVERALL atmos temperature...

 

[flacaltenn]

Getting harder to tell what the topic is here so that it can be moderated.. Started out as a "what people think about GW" thread and moved to other GW specifics.. Would be good to stay close to the ORIGINAL topic of this thread. Or start a new ones...

 

[Flopper]

Looks like Conservative misinformation is working

Looks like your head is still stuck squarely up your ass.

"Conservative misinformation."
"Man-Made Climate Change."

View attachment 253195

The climate monger Leftards won't bother reading this but you ought to.

Just the other day I read where someone touted an article claiming that all the Earth's volcanoes and nature's output amounts to something like 1% of what man does! Does anyone remember being told that? Well, just imagine if man put out IN ONE INSTANT:

• energy released more than that of a billion Hiroshima bombs
• material several times hotter than the surface of the sun that set fire to everything within a thousand miles
• giant tsunamis tearing up coastlines, sometimes peeling up hundreds of feet deep of rock, pushing the debris inland and then sucking it back out into deep water
• dust and soot preventing all sunlight from reaching the planet’s surface for months
• photosynthesis all but stopped killing most of the plant life, extinguishing the phytoplankton in the oceans causing the amount of oxygen in the atmosphere to plummet
• seventy-five per cent of all species went extinct
• more than 99.9999 per cent of all living organisms on Earth died
• a trillion tons of carbon dioxide released in an instant
• ten billion tons of methane
• a billion tons of carbon monoxide
• ten trillion tons of sulfur compounds aloft
• acid rain that was potent enough to strip the leaves from plants and to leach the nutrients from the soil

I think any reasonable person will admit that all of that at once is many times worse than spread out over years and decades!

A sci-fi horror story? Predictions for man's future actions?

Nope. This already happened at least once. And man didn't do it. It happened 66million years ago as calculated by one of the most powerful computers in the world and in fact, LEFT US WITH THE WORLD WE HAVE TODAY.

Let me put that another way: WE WOULDN'T BE HERE IF THAT HADN'T HAPPENED.

The WORST thing that ever happened to this planet was actually necessary in order to bring about the BEST thing that ever happened: THE RISE OF A TECHNOLOGICAL, SELF-AWARE SPECIES.

If, on a certain evening about sixty-six million years ago, you had stood somewhere in North America and looked up at the sky, you would have soon made out what appeared to be a star. If you watched for an hour or two, the star would have seemed to grow in brightness, although it barely moved. That’s because it was not a star but an asteroid, and it was headed directly for Earth at about forty-five thousand miles an hour. Sixty hours later, the asteroid hit. The air in front was compressed and violently heated, and it blasted a hole through the atmosphere, generating a supersonic shock wave. The asteroid struck a shallow sea where the Yucatán peninsula is today. In that moment, the Cretaceous period ended and the Paleogene period began.

A few years ago, scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory used what was then one of the world’s most powerful computers, the so-called Q Machine, to model the effects of the impact. The result was a slow-motion, second-by-second false-color video of the event. Within two minutes of slamming into Earth, the asteroid, which was at least six miles wide, had gouged a crater about eighteen miles deep and lofted twenty-five trillion metric tons of debris into the atmosphere. Picture the splash of a pebble falling into pond water, but on a planetary scale. When Earth’s crust rebounded, a peak higher than Mt. Everest briefly rose up. The energy released was more than that of a billion Hiroshima bombs, but the blast looked nothing like a nuclear explosion, with its signature mushroom cloud. Instead, the initial blowout formed a “rooster tail,” a gigantic jet of molten material, which exited the atmosphere, some of it fanning out over North America. Much of the material was several times hotter than the surface of the sun, and it set fire to everything within a thousand miles. In addition, an inverted cone of liquefied, superheated rock rose, spread outward as countless red-hot blobs of glass, called tektites, and blanketed the Western Hemisphere.

Some of the ejecta escaped Earth’s gravitational pull and went into irregular orbits around the sun. Over millions of years, bits of it found their way to other planets and moons in the solar system. Mars was eventually strewn with the debris—just as pieces of Mars, knocked aloft by ancient asteroid impacts, have been found on Earth. A 2013 study in the journal Astrobiology estimated that tens of thousands of pounds of impact rubble may have landed on Titan, a moon of Saturn, and on Europa and Callisto, which orbit Jupiter—three satellites that scientists believe may have promising habitats for life. Mathematical models indicate that at least some of this vagabond debris still harbored living microbes. The asteroid may have sown life throughout the solar system, even as it ravaged life on Earth.

The asteroid was vaporized on impact. Its substance, mingling with vaporized Earth rock, formed a fiery plume, which reached halfway to the moon before collapsing in a pillar of incandescent dust. Computer models suggest that the atmosphere within fifteen hundred miles of ground zero became red hot from the debris storm, triggering gigantic forest fires. As the Earth rotated, the airborne material converged at the opposite side of the planet, where it fell and set fire to the entire Indian subcontinent. Measurements of the layer of ash and soot that eventually coated the Earth indicate that fires consumed about seventy per cent of the world’s forests. Meanwhile, giant tsunamis resulting from the impact churned across the Gulf of Mexico, tearing up coastlines, sometimes peeling up hundreds of feet of rock, pushing debris inland and then sucking it back out into deep water, leaving jumbled deposits that oilmen sometimes encounter in the course of deep-sea drilling.

The damage had only begun. Scientists still debate many of the details, which are derived from the computer models, and from field studies of the debris layer, knowledge of extinction rates, fossils and microfossils, and many other clues. But the over-all view is consistently grim. The dust and soot from the impact and the conflagrations prevented all sunlight from reaching the planet’s surface for months. Photosynthesis all but stopped, killing most of the plant life, extinguishing the phytoplankton in the oceans, and causing the amount of oxygen in the atmosphere to plummet. After the fires died down, Earth plunged into a period of cold, perhaps even a deep freeze. Earth’s two essential food chains, in the sea and on land, collapsed. About seventy-five per cent of all species went extinct. More than 99.9999 per cent of all living organisms on Earth died, and the carbon cycle came to a halt.

Earth itself became toxic. When the asteroid struck, it vaporized layers of limestone, releasing into the atmosphere a trillion tons of carbon dioxide, ten billion tons of methane, and a billion tons of carbon monoxide; all three are powerful greenhouse gases. The impact also vaporized anhydrite rock, which blasted ten trillion tons of sulfur compounds aloft. The sulfur combined with water to form sulfuric acid, which then fell as an acid rain that may have been potent enough to strip the leaves from any surviving plants and to leach the nutrients from the soil.

One day sixty-six million years ago, life on Earth almost came to a shattering end. The world that emerged after the impact was a much simpler place. When sunlight finally broke through the haze, it illuminated a hellish landscape. The oceans were empty. The land was covered with drifting ash. The forests were charred stumps. The cold gave way to extreme heat as a greenhouse effect kicked in. Life mostly consisted of mats of algae and growths of fungus: for years after the impact, the Earth was covered with little other than ferns. Furtive, ratlike mammals lived in the gloomy understory.

But eventually life emerged and blossomed again, in new forms. The KT event continues to attract the interest of scientists in no small part because the ashen print it left on the planet is an existential reminder. “We wouldn’t be here talking on the phone if that meteorite hadn’t fallen,” Smit told me, with a laugh. DePalma agreed. For the first hundred million years of their existence, before the asteroid struck, mammals scurried about the feet of the dinosaurs, amounting to little. “But when the dinosaurs were gone it freed them,” DePalma said. In the next epoch, mammals underwent an explosion of adaptive radiation, evolving into a dazzling variety of forms, from tiny bats to gigantic titanotheres, from horses to whales, from fearsome creodonts to large-brained primates with hands that could grasp and minds that could see through time.

“We can trace our origins back to that event.”

The Day the Dinosaurs Died

SO THE NEXT TIME SOME IDIOT TELLS YOU THAT MAN PUTS OUT FAR MORE THAN NATURE OR THAT WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF CAUSING A MAJOR CRISIS OR MIGHT BE CAUSING THE EXTINCTION OF A FEW SPECIES, READ HIM THIS. Something ten million million times worse than anything we can imagine actually brought about the beautiful green, lush, blue-skied planet we have today, with the most advanced species of life to have even known to have lived, and the Earth isn't going to be forever ruined by a few cars, trucks, planes and factories. In fact, it might actually lead to something BETTER. Just like it did for us.

And the foundations of your post is you read where someone touted an article claiming...

Looks like Conservative misinformation is working

Looks like your head is still stuck squarely up your ass.

"Conservative misinformation."
"Man-Made Climate Change."

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The climate monger Leftards won't bother reading this but you ought to.

Just the other day I read where someone touted an article claiming that all the Earth's volcanoes and nature's output amounts to something like 1% of what man does! Does anyone remember being told that? Well, just imagine if man put out IN ONE INSTANT:

• energy released more than that of a billion Hiroshima bombs
• material several times hotter than the surface of the sun that set fire to everything within a thousand miles
• giant tsunamis tearing up coastlines, sometimes peeling up hundreds of feet deep of rock, pushing the debris inland and then sucking it back out into deep water
• dust and soot preventing all sunlight from reaching the planet’s surface for months
• photosynthesis all but stopped killing most of the plant life, extinguishing the phytoplankton in the oceans causing the amount of oxygen in the atmosphere to plummet
• seventy-five per cent of all species went extinct
• more than 99.9999 per cent of all living organisms on Earth died
• a trillion tons of carbon dioxide released in an instant
• ten billion tons of methane
• a billion tons of carbon monoxide
• ten trillion tons of sulfur compounds aloft
• acid rain that was potent enough to strip the leaves from plants and to leach the nutrients from the soil

I think any reasonable person will admit that all of that at once is many times worse than spread out over years and decades!

A sci-fi horror story? Predictions for man's future actions?

Nope. This already happened at least once. And man didn't do it. It happened 66million years ago as calculated by one of the most powerful computers in the world and in fact, LEFT US WITH THE WORLD WE HAVE TODAY.

Let me put that another way: WE WOULDN'T BE HERE IF THAT HADN'T HAPPENED.

The WORST thing that ever happened to this planet was actually necessary in order to bring about the BEST thing that ever happened: THE RISE OF A TECHNOLOGICAL, SELF-AWARE SPECIES.

If, on a certain evening about sixty-six million years ago, you had stood somewhere in North America and looked up at the sky, you would have soon made out what appeared to be a star. If you watched for an hour or two, the star would have seemed to grow in brightness, although it barely moved. That’s because it was not a star but an asteroid, and it was headed directly for Earth at about forty-five thousand miles an hour. Sixty hours later, the asteroid hit. The air in front was compressed and violently heated, and it blasted a hole through the atmosphere, generating a supersonic shock wave. The asteroid struck a shallow sea where the Yucatán peninsula is today. In that moment, the Cretaceous period ended and the Paleogene period began.

A few years ago, scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory used what was then one of the world’s most powerful computers, the so-called Q Machine, to model the effects of the impact. The result was a slow-motion, second-by-second false-color video of the event. Within two minutes of slamming into Earth, the asteroid, which was at least six miles wide, had gouged a crater about eighteen miles deep and lofted twenty-five trillion metric tons of debris into the atmosphere. Picture the splash of a pebble falling into pond water, but on a planetary scale. When Earth’s crust rebounded, a peak higher than Mt. Everest briefly rose up. The energy released was more than that of a billion Hiroshima bombs, but the blast looked nothing like a nuclear explosion, with its signature mushroom cloud. Instead, the initial blowout formed a “rooster tail,” a gigantic jet of molten material, which exited the atmosphere, some of it fanning out over North America. Much of the material was several times hotter than the surface of the sun, and it set fire to everything within a thousand miles. In addition, an inverted cone of liquefied, superheated rock rose, spread outward as countless red-hot blobs of glass, called tektites, and blanketed the Western Hemisphere.

Some of the ejecta escaped Earth’s gravitational pull and went into irregular orbits around the sun. Over millions of years, bits of it found their way to other planets and moons in the solar system. Mars was eventually strewn with the debris—just as pieces of Mars, knocked aloft by ancient asteroid impacts, have been found on Earth. A 2013 study in the journal Astrobiology estimated that tens of thousands of pounds of impact rubble may have landed on Titan, a moon of Saturn, and on Europa and Callisto, which orbit Jupiter—three satellites that scientists believe may have promising habitats for life. Mathematical models indicate that at least some of this vagabond debris still harbored living microbes. The asteroid may have sown life throughout the solar system, even as it ravaged life on Earth.

The asteroid was vaporized on impact. Its substance, mingling with vaporized Earth rock, formed a fiery plume, which reached halfway to the moon before collapsing in a pillar of incandescent dust. Computer models suggest that the atmosphere within fifteen hundred miles of ground zero became red hot from the debris storm, triggering gigantic forest fires. As the Earth rotated, the airborne material converged at the opposite side of the planet, where it fell and set fire to the entire Indian subcontinent. Measurements of the layer of ash and soot that eventually coated the Earth indicate that fires consumed about seventy per cent of the world’s forests. Meanwhile, giant tsunamis resulting from the impact churned across the Gulf of Mexico, tearing up coastlines, sometimes peeling up hundreds of feet of rock, pushing debris inland and then sucking it back out into deep water, leaving jumbled deposits that oilmen sometimes encounter in the course of deep-sea drilling.

The damage had only begun. Scientists still debate many of the details, which are derived from the computer models, and from field studies of the debris layer, knowledge of extinction rates, fossils and microfossils, and many other clues. But the over-all view is consistently grim. The dust and soot from the impact and the conflagrations prevented all sunlight from reaching the planet’s surface for months. Photosynthesis all but stopped, killing most of the plant life, extinguishing the phytoplankton in the oceans, and causing the amount of oxygen in the atmosphere to plummet. After the fires died down, Earth plunged into a period of cold, perhaps even a deep freeze. Earth’s two essential food chains, in the sea and on land, collapsed. About seventy-five per cent of all species went extinct. More than 99.9999 per cent of all living organisms on Earth died, and the carbon cycle came to a halt.

Earth itself became toxic. When the asteroid struck, it vaporized layers of limestone, releasing into the atmosphere a trillion tons of carbon dioxide, ten billion tons of methane, and a billion tons of carbon monoxide; all three are powerful greenhouse gases. The impact also vaporized anhydrite rock, which blasted ten trillion tons of sulfur compounds aloft. The sulfur combined with water to form sulfuric acid, which then fell as an acid rain that may have been potent enough to strip the leaves from any surviving plants and to leach the nutrients from the soil.

One day sixty-six million years ago, life on Earth almost came to a shattering end. The world that emerged after the impact was a much simpler place. When sunlight finally broke through the haze, it illuminated a hellish landscape. The oceans were empty. The land was covered with drifting ash. The forests were charred stumps. The cold gave way to extreme heat as a greenhouse effect kicked in. Life mostly consisted of mats of algae and growths of fungus: for years after the impact, the Earth was covered with little other than ferns. Furtive, ratlike mammals lived in the gloomy understory.

But eventually life emerged and blossomed again, in new forms. The KT event continues to attract the interest of scientists in no small part because the ashen print it left on the planet is an existential reminder. “We wouldn’t be here talking on the phone if that meteorite hadn’t fallen,” Smit told me, with a laugh. DePalma agreed. For the first hundred million years of their existence, before the asteroid struck, mammals scurried about the feet of the dinosaurs, amounting to little. “But when the dinosaurs were gone it freed them,” DePalma said. In the next epoch, mammals underwent an explosion of adaptive radiation, evolving into a dazzling variety of forms, from tiny bats to gigantic titanotheres, from horses to whales, from fearsome creodonts to large-brained primates with hands that could grasp and minds that could see through time.

“We can trace our origins back to that event.”

The Day the Dinosaurs Died

SO THE NEXT TIME SOME IDIOT TELLS YOU THAT MAN PUTS OUT FAR MORE THAN NATURE OR THAT WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF CAUSING A MAJOR CRISIS OR MIGHT BE CAUSING THE EXTINCTION OF A FEW SPECIES, READ HIM THIS. Something ten million million times worse than anything we can imagine actually brought about the beautiful green, lush, blue-skied planet we have today, with the most advanced species of life to have even known to have lived, and the Earth isn't going to be forever ruined by a few cars, trucks, planes and factories. In fact, it might actually lead to something BETTER. Just like it did for us.

And the foundation of this rather long post is you read where someone touted an article claiming...

 

[Marion Morrison]

A quick quiz for you Ms Chic. What do all naval bases possess?

Piers. Fixed structures to which large ships may be moored. As sea level rises, moored ships rise with respect to the piers. Problem.

Let's see.. If they were built in 1920s at about 1"/decade, that's a whole 8 or 9"... About the size of foot long dog at Sonic.. LOL....

And it'll be another 8 or 9" in ANOTHER 80 years.. I think the Sea Bees can handle this WITHOUT the politicos grandstanding..

But I wager the BIGGER concern is adding another ENTIRE ocean to chase the Chinese and Russians around in. Might need an "Arctic Fleet Command" that operates a whole 3 or 4 months a year by 2070...

Have I mentioned that rope can be let out a little bit? Chain can too.