LOL - McCain's got a preacher problem

[Toro]

Your apathy to THEIR American history means two things: jack and shit. While you may not agree with Wright the FACT remains that his outlook is the DIRECT result of an America that is barely 30 outside of water hoses and attack dogs. And im being very generous by including the early 90s. Compared to "catholocism is the whore of babylon" hagee, I'd say at least Wright is reacting to tangible history rather than mythology du jour. Which, again, if YOU don't agree then don't vote for him. It really is as

This is certainly correct. You may not like Wright, but his views are based on an interpretation of history, one that is not particularly controversial outside the United States. On the other hand, Haggee is interpreting natural and historical events as acts of God, of which he has no basis and has about as much credibility as the guy who said God told him to shoot John Lennon.

So Wright > Haggee

 

[rayboyusmc]

To level the playing field you have to sometimes fight fire with fire or garbage with garbage:

Wright with Hagee and what's his name.

If one is stupid and non relevant so is the other.

 

[maneal]

"Your apathy to THEIR American history means two things: jack and shit. While you may not agree with Wright the FACT remains that his outlook is the DIRECT result of an America that is barely 30 outside of water hoses and attack dogs. And im being very generous by including the early 90s. Compared to "catholocism is the whore of babylon" hagee, I'd say at least Wright is reacting to tangible history rather than mythology du jour. Which, again, if YOU don't agree then don't vote for him. It really is as simple as that.


and, just so you know, America still does have a streak of racism even if we've been able to stomach interracial unions in our movies. We all know that there will be white people that vote for Obama because they have moved beyojnd their archie bunker ancestors.. But, so too do we know that plenty of whites will not vote for him for the same reason your boohoo ancestors would choose to pass. You are no one to tell any ethnic minority to get over their historic, relevant struggle.



So, dare I ask, do you apply the same standard to israel's 2k year old claim to burning bush real estate or is it just your political opponents that get, uh, lashed with that whip?"

Your comment is totally ignorant. Do you have to be this condosending when someone disagrees with you?

So back to the topic. Yes there is racism in this nation, and in almost every other nation. There are pockets that will never change. However, there is racism coming from both sides. Its been long enough, and many intelligent blacks are saying it. Do they really want to advance in this nation? Then they need to move on.

I will not be voting for Obama or Clinton. This has nothing to do with race for me. Obama wasn't even a choice for me LONG BEFORE the Wright issue came out. I don't have any use for Liberal Elitists who think they are better than everyone else. I don't want semi-socialists or anti-Americans running America, parties aside.

And btw.... I support Israel. Period.

 

[DeadCanDance]

McCain certainly hit the trifecta. Pursuing and embracing two nutjobs, who have slandered all three of the world's great religions in the most vile ways.

Hitler was doing God's work in oppressing the jews.

Catholics are a whore religion.

Islam is satanic, and needs to be destroyed.

And the McCain campaign knew full well of these nutjobs comments and bigotry months ago. Yet they still gladly and gratefully pursued and accepted their endorsement, with full knowledge of the bigotry.

Wow.

 

[jillian]

I often don't repeat a post because I feel it does not merit repeating. I replace nonsense with "blah, blah, blah" or the equivalent to show my disdain for the original post. No one seriously believes jreeves said that, so no one was misled. If you are saying that you've been misled, I'd suggest that you are being deliberately obtuse.

When I feel a post does not merit repitition, the quote function still clarifies which post I'm responding to, and enables readers to locate it quickly. So it serves a useful purpose.

The problem, Dogger, is that from an administrative standpoint, one person can't modify quotes and others prohibited from doing so. Nor can we sit and pick and choose whose modifications are ok and whose aren't. The rule, across the board, is that no one can change someone else's words. You're smart enoug, surely there's a more creative and less problematic way of conveying what you wish.

Thanks.

 

[Shogun]

"Your apathy to THEIR American history means two things: jack and shit. While you may not agree with Wright the FACT remains that his outlook is the DIRECT result of an America that is barely 30 outside of water hoses and attack dogs. And im being very generous by including the early 90s. Compared to "catholocism is the whore of babylon" hagee, I'd say at least Wright is reacting to tangible history rather than mythology du jour. Which, again, if YOU don't agree then don't vote for him. It really is as simple as that.


and, just so you know, America still does have a streak of racism even if we've been able to stomach interracial unions in our movies. We all know that there will be white people that vote for Obama because they have moved beyojnd their archie bunker ancestors.. But, so too do we know that plenty of whites will not vote for him for the same reason your boohoo ancestors would choose to pass. You are no one to tell any ethnic minority to get over their historic, relevant struggle.



So, dare I ask, do you apply the same standard to israel's 2k year old claim to burning bush real estate or is it just your political opponents that get, uh, lashed with that whip?"

Your comment is totally ignorant. Do you have to be this condosending when someone disagrees with you?

So back to the topic. Yes there is racism in this nation, and in almost every other nation. There are pockets that will never change. However, there is racism coming from both sides. Its been long enough, and many intelligent blacks are saying it. Do they really want to advance in this nation? Then they need to move on.

I will not be voting for Obama or Clinton. This has nothing to do with race for me. Obama wasn't even a choice for me LONG BEFORE the Wright issue came out. I don't have any use for Liberal Elitists who think they are better than everyone else. I don't want semi-socialists or anti-Americans running America, parties aside.

And btw.... I support Israel. Period.

so you can rationalize 2000 years of the zionist boohoo excuses but Americas blacks, a mere 30 years beyond civil rights - not even a single generation past, need to just get over THEIR misfortune?

I rest my case.




'case you know how ignorant and shifty those who fall short of Bill cosby are...

 

[maneal]

All I said is I support Israel. I didn't say to what extent. I just wanted to see what you would say....

 

[jreeves]

Baloney. Obama was hounded to reject and denounce Farakhan, even though he never sought Farakhan's blessing, nor set foot in farakhan's mosque.

McCain actively pursued Hagee's endorsment, and clung to his endorsement for months. And the McCain people were full aware all along of Hagee's sympathetic quotes about the Nazis. It's a matter of public record, and he wrote about it in his books. Its only when lefty blogs pushed it into the mainstream media that McCain felt he had to bail.

Courage and integrity!

I thought you were referring to his pastor and inspiration for over 20 years(Wright) and Hagee. Now you want to bring another Obama supporter into, how about Ayers why don't you just throw him in there too.

Oh ok, that's the reason as soon as it became public knowledge he denounced the endorsement. Whereas, Obama still attends the same church who propagate an anti-American and racist theology.

 

[jreeves]

You said, "He subscribed to the theology by attending the church for 20 years, when he knew that BLT was taught at the church." I have destroyed that simplistic theory of yours.

And you have replaced it with one even more simplistic: a slavish adherent to a preacher's teachings is more qualified to be President than someone who can think for himself or herself.

Well obviously he did subscribe to the theology or wouldn't have attended the church for over 20 years and called him what an uncle. The theologies' foundation is racism, which Obama has never denounced.

 

[jreeves]

You and I are going to keep going around and around on this. If you think the Rev Wright thing makes me happy, it doesn't. And if McCain were the person he was in 2000, I might well have cast my vote for him. Hagee is just a symptom of what ails him, IMO. And I think it's clear from the policy positions he's taking that McCain has traded a chunk of his soul to the good rev's Hagee and Parsley. And for me, that's a deal-breaker. Obviously, other issues are more relevant to you. Don't think for a second that the Rev Wright issue doesn't trouble me. Don't think for a second that I'm comfortable with it. I'd be lying if I said it didn't make me cringe. But the question I ask is this: Is Rev Wright going to shape U.S. policy? The answer's no. Are Hagee and Parsley? Well, yes, why do you think they have a relationship with McCain (the guy who called them "agents of intolerance") in the first place?

I seem to think your dislike of MCcain is due to the fact that you are blinded by rage(against Bush). I may be wrong but I don't think so.

 

[jreeves]

jreeves wrote the above as part of a discussion about my statement, "You know, some people attend church and don't even subscribe to the basic teaching that Jesus rose from the dead."

The "some people" I had in mind included deists James Madison, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and George Washington. These men belonged to traditional Christian denominations such as Presbyterian and Episcopalian churches, but did not believe in the divinity of Christ. According to jreeves, George Bush is qualified to be President while these founding fathers are not.

Dumbass, as I was obviously saying your trying to stray from the point being discussed. I was holding you on point, you like to wander quite a bit.

 

[jreeves]

Uh-oh.

McCain had to bail on ANOTHER crazy wingnut pastor. The prominent Rod Parsley, who said this nation was founded to destroy Islam.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/22/rod-parsley-mccains-other_n_103178.html

McCain probably spent over a year courting Hagee and Parsley, and his campaign knew full well the outrageous and bigoted comments these pastors have said over the years.

So, McCain courted and gladly accepted their endorsements, only to bail on them when the mainstream media revealed what bigoted jerks they are.

I am LMAO

You blinded left wing loon, political endorsements don't equate to 20 years of personal involvement.

 

[Paulie]

who propagate an anti-American and racist theology.

Racist? Maybe.

Anti-American though? There's an enormous difference between being anti-establishment/anti-status quo and being "anti-American".

The term anti-American is used way too liberally these days to spin people's positions and manipulate statements to get others to take a similar view.

I despise most of what goes on in Washington, and to some extent can agree with the way people like Wright view today's political landscape. That in no way means I'm anti-American. If I didn't like this country, I'd have left long ago. And I certainly wouldn't be wasting my time running for office in the land that I supposedly hated.

 

[jreeves]

Racist? Maybe.

Anti-American though? There's an enormous difference between being anti-establishment/anti-status quo and being "anti-American".

The term anti-American is used way too liberally these days to spin people's positions and manipulate statements to get others to take a similar view.

I despise most of what goes on in Washington, and to some extent can agree with the way people like Wright view today's political landscape. That in no way means I'm anti-American. If I didn't like this country, I'd have left long ago. And I certainly wouldn't be wasting my time running for office in the land that I supposedly hated.

A novel ideal here do you think he could be running for the power of the Presidency? Sorry God Damn America or chickens coming home to roost after 9-11 or the government infected blacks with HIV, seems a little anti-American to me.

 

[Gunny]

I often don't repeat a post because I feel it does not merit repeating. I replace nonsense with "blah, blah, blah" or the equivalent to show my disdain for the original post. No one seriously believes jreeves said that, so no one was misled. If you are saying that you've been misled, I'd suggest that you are being deliberately obtuse.

When I feel a post does not merit repitition, the quote function still clarifies which post I'm responding to, and enables readers to locate it quickly. So it serves a useful purpose.

You were asked politely to stop by one of the moderators, end of discussion. If you wish to pursue the issue, do so via PM. If you are dissatisfied with their decision, you may address it to me via PM.

Your justification may work for you from your POV, but look at it from mine. You're pushing an issue that will result in another rule -- which I detest -- because you want to push the envelope.

I'd appreciate your cooperation, and I'd appreciate you not arguing with my moderators in public forums.

Thanks,

Gunny

 

[jillian]

I seem to think your dislike of MCcain is due to the fact that you are blinded by rage(against Bush). I may be wrong but I don't think so.

No. You're wrong. And if it weren't for the religious right thing, I might have voted for him. The problem is that the person who used to understand where the "agents of intolerance" were is now sucking up to them. That's a deal breaker for me.