Lol, Illinois shooter identified

[boedicca]

That appears to be true. So why didn't the background check see his past? because the the government either didn't care if this nut got a gun or were just plain lazy and imcompetent.

The real purpose of background checks is to keep law-abiding people who object to the Prog government from having guns to defend themselves.

 

[JoeB131]

Are you saying guns are not arms? Really.

Verbatim Amendment 2: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Again, the issue is CONTEXT.

The concern of the founders was militias, not gun ownership.

In fact, the original text of the Second allowed for a religious exemption to NOT be part of a militia because there were pacifists like the Quakers who didn't want to bear arms.

The Second and Third Amendments were specifically about defining the militia, what its role was, who belonged and what it could do.

The Second Amendment you don't know

Cornell: In the coming months, as the nation begins a serious discussion about gun regulation, the meaning of the Second Amendment — the statement that “a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be...

www.nydailynews.com

In 1776, most of the original state constitutions did not even include an arms-bearing provision. The few states that did usually also included a clause protecting the right not to bear arms. Why? Because, in contrast to other cherished rights such as freedom of speech or religion, the state could not compel you to speak or pray. It could force you to bear arms.

The founders had a simple reason for curbing this right: Quakers and other religious pacifists were opposed to bearing arms, and wished to be exempt from an obligation that could be made incumbent on all male citizens at the time.

Militias were tightly controlled organizations legally defined and regulated by the individual colonies before the Revolution and, after independence, by the individual states. Militia laws ran on for pages and were some of the lengthiest pieces of legislation in the statute books. States kept track of who had guns, had the right to inspect them in private homes and could fine citizens for failing to report to a muster.

These laws also defined what type of guns you had to buy — a form of taxation levied on individual households. Yes, long before Obamacare, the state made you buy something, even if you did not want to purchase it. (The guns required by law were muskets, not pistols. The only exceptions to this general rule were the horsemen's pistols that dragoons and other mounted units needed.)
The founders had a word for a bunch of farmers marching with guns without government sanction: a mob.

One of the reasons we have a Constitution is the founders were worried about the danger posed by individuals acting like a militia without legal authority. This was precisely what happened during Shays' Rebellion, an insurrection in western Massachusetts that persuaded many Americans that we needed a stronger central government to avert anarchy.

 

[miketx]

The concern of the founders was militias, not gun ownership.

Blatant lie!

 

[daveman]

Second amendments is about militias, not guns. guns aren't mentioned, well-regulated militias are.

Yeah, you keep pretending that, you fascist.

Why don't you go to the 'hoods in Chi and start confiscating weapons from the gangbangers? Make sure you tell 'em the bit about militias. What could go wrong?

 

[daveman]

Again, the issue is CONTEXT.

The concern of the founders was militias, not gun ownership.

In fact, the original text of the Second allowed for a religious exemption to NOT be part of a militia because there were pacifists like the Quakers who didn't want to bear arms.

The Second and Third Amendments were specifically about defining the militia, what its role was, who belonged and what it could do.

The Second Amendment you don't know

Cornell: In the coming months, as the nation begins a serious discussion about gun regulation, the meaning of the Second Amendment — the statement that “a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be...

www.nydailynews.com

In 1776, most of the original state constitutions did not even include an arms-bearing provision. The few states that did usually also included a clause protecting the right not to bear arms. Why? Because, in contrast to other cherished rights such as freedom of speech or religion, the state could not compel you to speak or pray. It could force you to bear arms.

The founders had a simple reason for curbing this right: Quakers and other religious pacifists were opposed to bearing arms, and wished to be exempt from an obligation that could be made incumbent on all male citizens at the time.

Militias were tightly controlled organizations legally defined and regulated by the individual colonies before the Revolution and, after independence, by the individual states. Militia laws ran on for pages and were some of the lengthiest pieces of legislation in the statute books. States kept track of who had guns, had the right to inspect them in private homes and could fine citizens for failing to report to a muster.

These laws also defined what type of guns you had to buy — a form of taxation levied on individual households. Yes, long before Obamacare, the state made you buy something, even if you did not want to purchase it. (The guns required by law were muskets, not pistols. The only exceptions to this general rule were the horsemen's pistols that dragoons and other mounted units needed.)
The founders had a word for a bunch of farmers marching with guns without government sanction: a mob.

One of the reasons we have a Constitution is the founders were worried about the danger posed by individuals acting like a militia without legal authority. This was precisely what happened during Shays' Rebellion, an insurrection in western Massachusetts that persuaded many Americans that we needed a stronger central government to avert anarchy.

Nobody's going to give up their individual right to own firearms just because you're being a little bitch.

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah, you keep pretending that, you fascist.

Why don't you go to the 'hoods in Chi and start confiscating weapons from the gangbangers? Make sure you tell 'em the bit about militias. What could go wrong?

The CPD confiscates 10,000 guns from gangbangers every year.

Doesn't really help when they can drive to Indiana and buy new ones.

Nobody's going to give up their individual right to own firearms just because you're being a little bitch.

No, but will when the majority of us get sick and tired of living in terror because you people can't control yourselves.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Second amendments is about militias, not guns. guns aren't mentioned, well-regulated militias are.

The second amendment is a right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The CPD confiscates 10,000 guns from gangbangers every year.

Doesn't really help when they can drive to Indiana and buy new ones.



No, but will when the majority of us get sick and tired of living in terror because you people can't control yourselves.

They cannot drive across state lines and buy a gun from an FFL.

I am a resident of another state. Can I purchase a handgun in Indiana?

No. However, a handgun can be shipped from an Indiana dealer to a dealer in your home state where you can receive the weapon in accordance with federal law. (reference IC 35-47-2.5-14. For more in...

faqs.in.gov

 

[2aguy]

The CPD confiscates 10,000 guns from gangbangers every year.

Doesn't really help when they can drive to Indiana and buy new ones.



No, but will when the majority of us get sick and tired of living in terror because you people can't control yourselves.

Moron......they use straw buyers who pass any background check.....even the Federally mandated background check all Indiana gun stores have to do for every gun purchase.....

The people in Chicago live in fear because the democrat party has destroyed the Chicago police, and the democrat party keeps releasing the most violent, dangerous gun offenders no matter how many arrests and convictions they have for violent crime....

 

[2aguy]

Again, the issue is CONTEXT.

The concern of the founders was militias, not gun ownership.

In fact, the original text of the Second allowed for a religious exemption to NOT be part of a militia because there were pacifists like the Quakers who didn't want to bear arms.

The Second and Third Amendments were specifically about defining the militia, what its role was, who belonged and what it could do.

The Second Amendment you don't know

Cornell: In the coming months, as the nation begins a serious discussion about gun regulation, the meaning of the Second Amendment — the statement that “a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be...

www.nydailynews.com

In 1776, most of the original state constitutions did not even include an arms-bearing provision. The few states that did usually also included a clause protecting the right not to bear arms. Why? Because, in contrast to other cherished rights such as freedom of speech or religion, the state could not compel you to speak or pray. It could force you to bear arms.

The founders had a simple reason for curbing this right: Quakers and other religious pacifists were opposed to bearing arms, and wished to be exempt from an obligation that could be made incumbent on all male citizens at the time.

Militias were tightly controlled organizations legally defined and regulated by the individual colonies before the Revolution and, after independence, by the individual states. Militia laws ran on for pages and were some of the lengthiest pieces of legislation in the statute books. States kept track of who had guns, had the right to inspect them in private homes and could fine citizens for failing to report to a muster.

These laws also defined what type of guns you had to buy — a form of taxation levied on individual households. Yes, long before Obamacare, the state made you buy something, even if you did not want to purchase it. (The guns required by law were muskets, not pistols. The only exceptions to this general rule were the horsemen's pistols that dragoons and other mounted units needed.)
The founders had a word for a bunch of farmers marching with guns without government sanction: a mob.

One of the reasons we have a Constitution is the founders were worried about the danger posed by individuals acting like a militia without legal authority. This was precisely what happened during Shays' Rebellion, an insurrection in western Massachusetts that persuaded many Americans that we needed a stronger central government to avert anarchy.

They understood that the people had guns......they didn't feel the need to explain that..........only recently have morons like you tried to end the Right that they just knew already existed....

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Moron......they use straw buyers who pass any background check.....even the Federally mandated background check all Indiana gun stores have to do for every gun purchase.....

The people in Chicago live in fear because the democrat party has destroyed the Chicago police, and the democrat party keeps releasing the most violent, dangerous gun offenders no matter how many arrests and convictions they have for violent crime....

He isn't very bright.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The CPD confiscates 10,000 guns from gangbangers every year.

Doesn't really help when they can drive to Indiana and buy new ones.



No, but will when the majority of us get sick and tired of living in terror because you people can't control yourselves.

Hey moron if 150 million gun owners were the problem you would know about it already.

 

[JoeB131]

The second amendment is a right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The Second Amendment was about militias, not guns.

The founders only wanted certain people in the militia, and the 2nd and 3rd Amendments were about defining the militia, not guns.

They cannot drive across state lines and buy a gun from an FFL.

Yet 850 guns recovered in Chicago crimes started at the same store in Indiana.

 

[miketx]

The Second Amendment was about militias, not guns.

Lol, this troll lies and denies the very wording of the amendment. How many more time will you repeat this, commie?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The Second Amendment was about militias, not guns.

The founders only wanted certain people in the militia, and the 2nd and 3rd Amendments were about defining the militia, not guns.



Yet 850 guns recovered in Chicago crimes started at the same store in Indiana.

They cannot drive across state lines and buy a gun from an FFL.

I am a resident of another state. Can I purchase a handgun in Indiana?

No. However, a handgun can be shipped from an Indiana dealer to a dealer in your home state where you can receive the weapon in accordance with federal law. (reference IC 35-47-2.5-14. For more in...

faqs.in.gov

 

[daveman]

The CPD confiscates 10,000 guns from gangbangers every year.

Not talking about the CPD. I'm talking about you unassing your couch and taking guns away from gangbangers personally.

Get some skin in the game. Because you're not accomplishing anything by whining on the internet.

Doesn't really help when they can drive to Indiana and buy new ones.

You get this close to realizing criminals don't obey the law -- then you turn around and run in terror.

No, but will when the majority of us get sick and tired of living in terror because you people can't control yourselves.

Again -- you're blaming all legal gun owners for the actions of a few.

You leftists sure do like your kollektive guilt and punishment, don't you, Comrade Iosef?

 

[JoeB131]

Lol, this troll lies and denies the very wording of the amendment. How many more time will you repeat this, commie?

Until it sinks in.

"A well-regulated militia"... not "An Angry Mob" The founders were pretty clear in their intent, they didn't like angry mobs with guns, which is why they put down Shay's Rebellion and the Whiskey Rebellion...

Not talking about the CPD. I'm talking about you unassing your couch and taking guns away from gangbangers personally.

Get some skin in the game. Because you're not accomplishing anything by whining on the internet.

I'll get right on that, after I'm done building the road I think is a good idea and work up my cancer cure...

 

[miketx]

Until it sinks in.

"A well-regulated militia"... not "An Angry Mob" The founders were pretty clear in their intent, they didn't like angry mobs with guns, which is why they put down Shay's Rebellion and the Whiskey Rebellion...



I'll get right on that, after I'm done building the road I think is a good idea and work up my cancer cure...

Keep lying commie.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Until it sinks in.

"A well-regulated militia"... not "An Angry Mob" The founders were pretty clear in their intent, they didn't like angry mobs with guns, which is why they put down Shay's Rebellion and the Whiskey Rebellion...



I'll get right on that, after I'm done building the road I think is a good idea and work up my cancer cure...

Numbnuts the whole people are the militia not the government.

 

[daveman]

I'll get right on that, after I'm done building the road I think is a good idea and work up my cancer cure...

Sitting on the couch, whining on the internet. Imagine my surprise.