Liz Cheney Suggests a New Political Party May Be Needed

[marvin martian]

You are confused, guy.

First, Covid Cases were rising in December 2020.

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Secondly, Trump most certainly bungled the Vaccine Rollout.

Trump's bungled vaccine rollout is forcing governors to get creative — and political

"Just as they did during the early days of the pandemic, the Trump administration left the distribution of the vaccines to the states, and the result is this patchwork approach we see from state to state," said one public policy expert.

www.nbcnews.com

The first few weeks of the rollout of vaccinations in December were chaotic across the country after the Trump administration in essence left it up to governors to figure out how to get needles into the arms of as many people as possible.

Third, Trump absolutely encouraged the Anti-Vax crazies. Heck, he's thrown his arms around RFK Jr., the whackiest anti-Vaxxer out there.

Harris./Biden were the original anti-vaxxers:

 

[JoeB131]

Harris./Biden were the original anti-vaxxers:

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You mean they didn't trust the guy who ran fake charities, fake universities, fake golf tournaments might not try to do a fake vaccine?

There wasn't a vaccine when they said this... that's the point.

 

[marvin martian]

You mean they didn't trust the guy who ran fake charities, fake universities, fake golf tournaments might not try to do a fake vaccine?

There wasn't a vaccine when they said this... that's the point.

Like I said, they were anti-vax in 2020. I'm sure you were, too.

 

[Rambunctious]

You are confused, guy.

First, Covid Cases were rising in December 2020.

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Secondly, Trump most certainly bungled the Vaccine Rollout.

Trump's bungled vaccine rollout is forcing governors to get creative — and political

"Just as they did during the early days of the pandemic, the Trump administration left the distribution of the vaccines to the states, and the result is this patchwork approach we see from state to state," said one public policy expert.

www.nbcnews.com

The first few weeks of the rollout of vaccinations in December were chaotic across the country after the Trump administration in essence left it up to governors to figure out how to get needles into the arms of as many people as possible.

Third, Trump absolutely encouraged the Anti-Vax crazies. Heck, he's thrown his arms around RFK Jr., the whackiest anti-Vaxxer out there.

Well your graph shows it falling in 2020 so I don't know what you are talking about... then it rocketed up after Biden took over just what I said...

 

[JoeB131]

Like I said, they were anti-vax in 2020. I'm sure you were, too.

I had good reason to not take Trump's word on a vax, yes.

Because Trump lied to us so many times regarding Covid.

But you keep drinking the bleach, buddy.

 

[konradv]

True – it’s pointless to try to engage with blind partisan Republicans hacks who work to remain willfully ignorant.

They need to answer questions.

#VOTEHARRIS

 

[Kondor3]

And we go back to the RINOS/NEO CONS. The Republican elites made sure after Reagan we got George Sr., Dole, George W., McCain and Romney. The Republican voters slowly steaming. The Tea Party was a warning as the Republicans did not listen to their voters. Of course, the Tea Party was eventually corrupted from outside and many of those in it destroyed and shills were inserted also.

Now THAT is the most intelligent explanation that I have ever heard regarding the rise of GOP Populism and MAGA.

Thank you for that.

Seriously.

I believe that MAGA has taken a wrong turn and that they need a new Standard Bearer but I understand better now.

 

[Man With A Plan]

LOL Smear job? You orange fuhrer did encourage the MAGA retards to storm the capitol. The MAGA traitors did storm the Capitol and tried to lynch your own party member.

Stating the facts is not a smear job. And you retards wonder why no one takes you seriously.

He encouraged them to protest peacefully. That protest turned into a riot because security at the Capital was so badly managed. That wasn't Donald Trump's fault. He offered the National Guard. That offer wasn't accepted.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Awww... Cheney will be so upset to hear she lost the support of a MAGA retard. Awww

I'm curious, Magnus...who is it that you think "supports" Liz Cheney these days?

 

[frigidweirdo]

We'll never have good government until our 95% corrupt media starts holding our 95% corrupt politicians accountable. Unfortunately, politics and the media are saturated with low grade, corrupt and immoral people.

How is the media corrupt? They're private businesses who can do whatever they want.

You blame the media because you don't understand how it all functions.

 

[Man With A Plan]

How is the media corrupt? They're private businesses who can do whatever they want.

You blame the media because you don't understand how it all functions.

That depends on how you look at it, Frigid. The media used to claim that they were "journalists"! Journalists in a democracy were supposed to be one of the checks and balances against big government. They were supposed to be the entity that informed the voters so that they make good decisions about who they elected. We don't have that anymore. Now we have propaganda.

 

[wamose]

How is the media corrupt? They're private businesses who can do whatever they want.

You blame the media because you don't understand how it all functions.

That couldn't have been a serious question. Nobody's that oblivious. MAGA

 

[frigidweirdo]

That depends on how you look at it, Frigid. The media used to claim that they were "journalists"! Journalists in a democracy were supposed to be one of the checks and balances against big government. They were supposed to be the entity that informed the voters so that they make good decisions about who they elected. We don't have that anymore. Now we have propaganda.

No, it doesn't depends on how you look at it.

There's reality, and there's "I'm making an argument"...

I'm looking at the former.

Journalists are not supposed to be one of the checks and balances at all. The 2A protects the freedom of speech and freedom of the press. The press can, and always has, spouted nonsense because of this freedom.

They're private companies who provide a service. If you want to change what they write, you need to change the electoral system so there are more political parties, more choice, more power to the voters, so then the press will provide a service for that, instead of the bullshit that exists right now.

 

[frigidweirdo]

That couldn't have been a serious question. Nobody's that oblivious. MAGA

You didn't write anything that I can even reply to.

 

[Shareprofit]

I'm curious, Magnus...who is it that you think "supports" Liz Cheney these days?

Conservative people with Intregrity, not many of them left in the Republican party.

 

[Man With A Plan]

No, it doesn't depends on how you look at it.

There's reality, and there's "I'm making an argument"...

I'm looking at the former.

Journalists are not supposed to be one of the checks and balances at all. The 2A protects the freedom of speech and freedom of the press. The press can, and always has, spouted nonsense because of this freedom.

They're private companies who provide a service. If you want to change what they write, you need to change the electoral system so there are more political parties, more choice, more power to the voters, so then the press will provide a service for that, instead of the bullshit that exists right now.

How does changing the electoral system in any way make the Main Stream Media less partisan?

 

[Man With A Plan]

Conservative people with Intregrity, not many of them left in the Republican party.

Here's the problem with that...
If Liz Cheney actually HAD integrity then the Jan. 6th committee would have investigated all of the things that led to that riot not just try to pin the blame for the riot on Donald Trump! I'm sorry but Liz let her hatred of Trump to make her a propagandist...something that the voters of Wyoming observed and disapproved of. She was overwhelmingly defeated in a State where her family has held enormous political clout for decades and that happened because the voters of Wyoming didn't think she HAD integrity!

 

[frigidweirdo]

How does changing the electoral system in any way make the Main Stream Media less partisan?

Because you change politics.

Right now newspapers have three choices. Be Republican, be Democrat or be independent.

If you had, like in Germany, 6 different political parties, 3 of varying degrees on the left and 3 of varying degrees on the right, some newspapers might stick with one party, others might be kind of right or kind of left. They'll not need to engage in the crazy politics that exists in the US, because that crazy politics won't exist as much.

If politicians know that they introduce a crazy policy and their party will crash and burn at the next election, they won't do it.

In Germany it's perfectly feasible for that to happen, because people have a choice. You can vote for three different parties on your wing, if you don't like one of them, vote for another.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Because you change politics.

Right now newspapers have three choices. Be Republican, be Democrat or be independent.

If you had, like in Germany, 6 different political parties, 3 of varying degrees on the left and 3 of varying degrees on the right, some newspapers might stick with one party, others might be kind of right or kind of left. They'll not need to engage in the crazy politics that exists in the US, because that crazy politics won't exist as much.

If politicians know that they introduce a crazy policy and their party will crash and burn at the next election, they won't do it.

In Germany it's perfectly feasible for that to happen, because people have a choice. You can vote for three different parties on your wing, if you don't like one of them, vote for another.

Your answer doesn't make sense to me, Frigid. Why would adding four more political parties make media any less partisan than they are at the moment?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Your answer doesn't make sense to me, Frigid. Why would adding four more political parties make media any less partisan than they are at the moment?

Imagine you're a voter.

You have a choice between two different parties.

One party you can't stand. So you vote for the other party.

What do the two parties need to do to get your vote? Negative messages. "The other party is bad". Simple as. You can see both sides doing it. Trump makes it easy for the Democrats, but Trump spends a lot of time telling everyone how much he hates people, hates Kamala, deliberately says her name wrong. Comes out saying he hates Taylor Swift. Etc etc.

There are some positive messages, but mostly they're just that, messages without substance. Obama "hope not hate", Trump "make America great again". Again, no substance, Obama didn't do anything with his message, Trump didn't make America great again, according to himself.

Look at Germany. Say you're right leaning, but you're pro-choice for abortion. In the US you vote Republican because you're right leaning. This means that the Republicans keep up the anti-abortion message because.... it doesn't harm them.

Now in Germany, you might have one party that is right wing and pro-choice and one right wing party that is anti-abortion. So, people can have better choices.

So, if you're a politician, you have to make the right choices. Otherwise your party dies, and it happens. The FDP, center right party go no seats a decade ago, because either the other right wing parties said something people likes, or this party didn't say what people wanted them to hear, or the previous 4 years they didn't do what people wanted.

So, each political party has to be more sensitive. They have to stand for something. In Germany everyone knows, more or less, what each party stands for. There's no point in being negative. You have to be positive about your own message.

So the media is going to be more positive about things too. They might stand with one party, or one wing, and pump that positive message.

Money plays a HUGE part in US elections. The most expensive senate seats cost more than the WHOLE Germany federal election. Why? Because pumping that negative message costs money. They're manipulating people.

In Germany that happens less. Why? Because you're standing on a platform, not shouting at your one and only opponent. To shout at five other opponents (or more, there are regional parties too), would take too much effort and people wouldn't vote for your negativity.