Listen To Ex-Gays...

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A NARTH Member sent the following letter to a call-in radio show, "Love Line," hosted by a psychotherapist named Dr. Drew. As an ex-gay man himself, our reader was disturbed that Dr. Drew had a one-sided understanding of the homosexual condition. This insightful struggler notes that people should not necessarily act on what or who they are attracted to, because those attractions may be rooted in a deficit cannot be fulfilled within a sexual relationship.
He wrote:

I have been a radio listener of "Love Line" for a few years. I admire the candid and direct feedback that you give to your callers.

However I believe that your advice on homosexuality lacks full representation. Over the course of the past few years, I have heard numerous homosexual callers state their dissatisfaction with their sexuality; or they have posed serious dilemmas to you in relation to their sexuality.

One call in particular was from a homosexual teen-age boy who claimed that he is only attracted to heterosexual men, not to other homosexual men. This call prompted me to write this letter to share my feelings and history with you, in hopes that you will share it with your listeners.

When I was 16, I became sexually active with another teen-age boy. Our sexual relationship continued for the next two years. He introduced me to pornography and to the gay "cruising" scene. By this, I mean that I became actively involved in meeting other men anonymously in parks and public bathrooms for sex. When I started college at age 18, I believed that my homosexual activity would stop. However the stresses of life became greater, and my acting-out increased to an addictive level. At this point, I realized that my homosexual attractions and behavior were not just a "passing phase." I realized that I was truly a homosexual.

For a few years thereafter, I continued to have anonymous sexual encounters with other men. However it became a very emotionally painful way to live. I began to seek help. I did not want to be a homosexual, or to continue my sexual activity with men.

I began to work with a therapist who taught me a lot of cognitive coping skills and social skills. I also found a men's organization that sponsored weekend men's retreats and on-going men's support groups. I joined a men's group and continued to work with therapists to heal my homosexuality. Over the course of three to four years, I engaged in a major life-changing transition. Through the use of powerful therapeutic techniques, such as thought-process reframing skills, transactionary analysis (inner child work), bioenergetics, core energetics, reparenting and psycho-dramatic role playing, my homosexual attractions diminished and my true being as a heterosexual man has emerged.

Through my therapeutic experiences, I learned that my homosexual attractions and behavior were symptoms of a deeper need. This need is to receive love from other men in a non-sexual way. Early childhood sexual abuse, an emotionally distant and detached father, unhealthy relationships with my mother and grandmothers and a feeling of non-acceptance from other boys and men all caused my homosexual attractions. Because I was wounded at such an early age, I shut down emotionally to protect myself. This kept out more pain from coming in, but it also kept me from receiving same-sex love that I so desperately needed.

Through the course of my healing, I have received a lot of non-sexual touch from other men. This touch and my release of so much emotional pain has helped heal my wounds.

I am now 26 and have been free from homosexual acting-out for three years. I am no longer sexually drawn to other men, and my previously non-existent heterosexual attractions have emerged. My urge to seek sexual change was based on my internal emotional pain, not societal pressures to "become straight."

I tried living a gay lifestyle, and in my experience, it is unfulfilling and empty. The healing is not about suppressing the homosexual attractions. It is about embracing them for what they are, and for what they truly symbolize.

I believe that homosexuality is a symptom (such as alcoholism or drug abuse) of deeper wounding. The very fact that 90% of gay couples are not monogamous, and that most gay men report early childhood sexual abuse, clearly states to me that homosexuality is inherently a developmental issue. There are too many environmental common denominators among homosexuals to conclude that the causes are random or biological.

I have heard you make the connection between sexual abuse and later homosexual behavior in many of your callers. Acting on these homosexual attractions symbolizes an urge to connect with other men and to connect with masculinity. But two men who are looking for masculinity outside themselves cannot find it sexually through other men. In my judgment, that is why living in a gay relationship is ultimately unsuccessful.

On certain occasions, I have heard you discuss how people should not necessarily act on what, or who, they are attracted to. Homosexuality is a great example. Homosexuals are searching for their gender identity through sexual contact with the same sex. However, they will not find it there. Because the roots of homosexuality are basically non-sexual needs, the homosexual cannot be healed through same-sex sexual relationships. It can be healed by deep, non-sexual bonding with people of the same sex.

In reference to your ten-age homosexual caller who was not attracted to other homosexuals, it is clear to me that he is attracted to heterosexual men because of their masculinity, and that is precisely what he needs to connect with non-sexually.

My intent is not to gay bash. I have much empathy for gay men and women. My hope is that more people will become aware that there is an option for those who are unhappy with their homosexuality and truly want to change.

I realize that it is politically and professionally risky to talk about healing homosexuality. I respect that problem, and I respect the fact that some are happy being gay. Others, however, are not happy being gay.

I sincerely hope that you will read this letter on the air during one of your shows. Because you have many listeners, your show is a great venue for discussion. Many of your listeners are at very impressionable ages, and they are turning to you for help. I encourage you to also present them with an alternative, and let them investigate what is best for their own hearts.

Where should they turn? The National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality is a professional association that believes that homosexuals, through therapy and other means, can change. They can be reached at 818-789-4440, or via the internet at www.narth.com.


Sincerely,
(Name Withheld)

http://www.narth.com/docs/listen.html
 
It's not a one way street everyone. When someone says they're no longer straight, it's "oh well, those things happen", but when someone comes out saying that they are no longer gay, everyone acts as if they violated the law of gravity.

I'm not of the mind that every gay person can be changed, however, it does happen. And many gays don't want to be gay. In some cases they may be acting out on some abuse long forgotten, in others it could be a sexual compulsion they've somehow acquired. In any case, gays that desire to get out of that lifestyle deserve support and our prayers, not derision.
 
I agree completely, Karl. But many people prefer to believe that gays are "borned that way" rather than it's "a choice" they make. The guy's story in Pale's posted article proves that gays can be cured of their "disease" through therapy, whether people want to believe it or not.
 
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Basically with KM.

I think human beings have sex drives so strong that it's hard to assign any and all human sexual activity an "orientation." Does masturbation mean an unhealthy, Freudian obsession with yourself? Nah. It probably must means you're horny and need some kind of outlet.

So I think the "ex-gay" business deserves a hearing. I'm not for jailing homosexuals, but I AM for discouraging homosexuality, banning it from airwaves, and pushing people in the direction they're SUPPOSED to go. Crudely, anti-gay humor probably plays a necessary role in all this. But for young guys, I say good deal. Let's NOT tell them to "be sensitive" to homosexuals. Let's tell them NOT TO BE homosexuals.
 
All I have to say about this is that NARTH is a very biased source that is selective with what it puts out. Most ex-gays are either people who weren't gay to begin with, lying and getting money for it, or hiding their feelings because they think it'll make them more straight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NARTH discusses NARTH
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparative_therapy discusses reparative therapy in general.
http://www.apa.org/monitor/sep96/converta.html the APA on reparative therapy
http://www.qrd.org/qrd/religion/anti/exgay/exgay.ministries.txt about ex-gay ministries
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_changing.html facts about changing sexual orientation

I know that posting these is pointless here simply because people will slam them for either being biased or they'll just completely ignore them because they don't follow a certain agenda. That's my take as of the fiasco of yesterday.
 
Kagom said:
All I have to say about this is that NARTH is a very biased source that is selective with what it puts out. Most ex-gays are either people who weren't gay to begin with, lying and getting money for it, or hiding their feelings because they think it'll make them more straight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NARTH discusses NARTH
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparative_therapy discusses reparative therapy in general.
http://www.apa.org/monitor/sep96/converta.html the APA on reparative therapy
http://www.qrd.org/qrd/religion/anti/exgay/exgay.ministries.txt about ex-gay ministries
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_changing.html facts about changing sexual orientation

I know that posting these is pointless here simply because people will slam them for either being biased or they'll just completely ignore them because they don't follow a certain agenda. That's my take as of the fiasco of yesterday.

I find it funny that Psychologists and Psychiatrists are quoted as being against this.. . did you expect any other response from these shysters. The homosexual community have been their bread and butter for years. I have never known anyone cured by a psychologist, they just string them along until they can't afford to pay the bill.
I remember when the "study" came out stating that homosexuality was something one was born with. Nobody else had come up with these findings before. The "scientist'' that came up with this theory had just lost his lover to AIDs and decided that the only way AIDs would get the attention needed was to prove that homosexuals were a natural occurance in nature and therefore were just as legitimate as heterosexuals. The homosexual lobbies jumped on this and have run with it since. Now there is at least one generation that has grown up believing this theory even though no real scientist will put their reputation behind it. The old saying about repeating the same thing long enough will make it true holds up here.
 
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sitarro said:
I find it funny that Psychologists and Psychiatrists are quoted as being against this.. . did you expect any other response from these shysters. The homosexual community have been their bread and butter for years. I have never known anyone cured by a psychologist, they just string them along until they can't afford to pay the bill.
I remember when the "study" came out stating that homosexuality was something one was born with. Nobody else had come up with these findings before. The "scientist'' that came up with this theory had just lost his lover to AIDs and decided that the only way AIDs would get the attention needed was to prove that homosexuals were a natural occurance in nature and therefore were just as legitimate as heterosexuals. The homosexual lobbies jumped on this and have run with it since. Now there is at least one generation that has grown up believing this theory even though no real scientist will put their reputation behind it. The old saying about repeating the same thing long enough will make it true holds up here.
I would expect Psychologists and Psychiatrists to be against it because they've done their research. Hell, I'd even do the research if it'd make you all happy. But I know the problem with this is that you will claim I'm biased from the start and I might just be.

The theory could be true. I believe it's either an innate thing or something that was subconsciouly done because of a past (my beliefs of Natural and Social Homosexuality, respectively).
 
Kagom said:
I would expect Psychologists and Psychiatrists to be against it because they've done their research. Hell, I'd even do the research if it'd make you all happy. But I know the problem with this is that you will claim I'm biased from the start and I might just be.

The theory could be true. I believe it's either an innate thing or something that was subconsciouly done because of a past (my beliefs of Natural and Social Homosexuality, respectively).

Sitarro is right. Homosexuality was, until quite recently, deemed a mental illness. It was due to relentless pressure from the homo/lesbian community that it was changed. There was nothing "scientific" to support the change. The one simple fact of the matter that remains however, is that queer/lezzie sexual activity is in direct contrast of what nature intended.

I have never seen any one group push harder for their sickness to be universaly accepted than the homo/lezzie crowd.
 
Pale Rider said:
Sitarro is right. Homosexuality was, until quite recently, deemed a mental illness. It was due to relentless pressure from the homo/lesbian community that it was changed. There was nothing "scientific" to support the change. The one simple fact of the matter that remains however, is that queer/lezzie sexual activity is in direct contrast of what nature intended.

I have never seen any one group push harder for their sickness to be universaly accepted than the homo/lezzie crowd.
It was taken off the list because it wasn't a mental disorder. No matter how hard the right wing and psychologists tried to say it was, it wasn't. If it was a mental disorder, people would've been cured by now and Nazis would ride on dinosaurs.
 
Kagom said:
It was taken off the list because it wasn't a mental disorder. No matter how hard the right wing and psychologists tried to say it was, it wasn't. If it was a mental disorder, people would've been cured by now and Nazis would ride on dinosaurs.

Sorry kagom, but yes it is mental disorder. Men shouldn't fuck men up the ass, and slurp on each other' dick's. That is deviant and perverse behavior in it's worst form.

It's a mental disorder, and no matter how many times you say it isn't, that still won't make it true.

Face it, you're sick. Just get help and quite denying it.

I can't believe you wouldn't like to be NORMAL.
 
Pale Rider said:
Sorry kagom, but yes it is mental disorder. Men shouldn't fuck men up the ass, and slurp on each other' dick's. That is deviant and perverse behavior in it's worst form.

It's a mental disorder, and no matter how many times you say it isn't, that still won't make it true.

Face it, you're sick. Just get help and quite denying it.

I can't believe you wouldn't like to be NORMAL.
Nah, it's not a mental disorder. It could be controlled or even cured if it were. Schizophrenia is a mental disorder that has no cure, but can be controlled with medication. How come homosexuality can't be controlled or cured like other mental disorders? That's just common sense, nothing supernatural or scientific.

It's abnormal to you but normal to me. Vaginal sex is abnormal to me and normal to you. Do you get that? I think you read the words and it processes, but you discard it because it doesn't say what you want it to say.
 
Kagom said:
Nah, it's not a mental disorder. It could be controlled or even cured if it were. Schizophrenia is a mental disorder that has no cure, but can be controlled with medication. How come homosexuality can't be controlled or cured like other mental disorders? That's just common sense, nothing supernatural or scientific.

It's abnormal to you but normal to me. Vaginal sex is abnormal to me and normal to you. Do you get that? I think you read the words and it processes, but you discard it because it doesn't say what you want it to say.

How about pedophilia, is that a mental disorder Kagom? Is there a cure besides a 357 to the temple? I would bet that sex with someone older than 15 is abnormal to those assholes. :cof:
 
sitarro said:
How about pedophilia, is that a mental disorder Kagom? Is there a cure besides a 357 to the temple? I would bet that sex with someone older than 15 is abnormal to those assholes. :cof:
That's where you get into a different area. Pedophiles HURT children when they engage in sex. They hurt them either physically, mentally, or emotionally. Homosexuals don't (unless it's a case of rape, but that happens to all sexualities).
 
Kagom said:
It was taken off the list because it wasn't a mental disorder. No matter how hard the right wing and psychologists tried to say it was, it wasn't. If it was a mental disorder, people would've been cured by now and Nazis would ride on dinosaurs.

Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Homosexuals are liberals.
Therefore homosexuals are mentally disordered.
:cof:
 
ScreamingEagle said:
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Homosexuals are liberals.
Therefore homosexuals are mentally disordered.
:cof:
And that is total bull. There are conservative homosexuals (Log Cabin Republicans).

By the way, that was totally cute.

Know what my favorite is?

Bush is mentally disordered
People who support Bush support a mentally disordered leader
Therefore, all who support Bush are mentally disordered.
 

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