List of things that require photo identification

[g5000]

I find it baffling that some conservatives feel we need more government imposed regulations to voting, especially since it is absolutely unnecessary.

Truly bizarre.

I find it bizarre that ANYONE is stupid enough to try to act like they truly believe that requiring people to prve they are who they say they are is some sort of impediment to voting.

Please provide a single case of voter fraud which can only be fixed by Voter ID and cannot be fixed by proper management of existing voter registration.

Not some fevered imaginary case in your mind, an actual case of voter fraud.

You have over two centuries of voting in which to find one.

 

[g5000]

Doesn't that assume though that those in charge of the roles want the dead removed from the roles? I mean everyone uses Chicago as the example of dead men don't tell tales but they do vote. You seem to be assuming that we can trust the (D)'s and (R)'s to do their jobs.

Forgive me, but I have lost faith in the (D)'s and (R)'s.

I am for Photo ID to vote as long as ID's can be obtained free of charge for anyone who needs one.

Immie

So you have one entity that is broken and you want to add another entity? You seem to believe two government entities are less likely to be broken than one.

Ever hear of identity theft? There's another reality. That list you see in the OP, there are people doing most of those things with other people's names all the time. Writing checks, opening bank accounts, getting credit cards. It's a multi billion dollar industry, identity theft.

So ID is not as invulnerable as you think.

Then why require ID for anything? Why not just have everyone 'attest' that they are who they say they are? By the way, I am actually Warren Buffet. Really, I am. Trust me, I wouldn't lie....

Show ID, prove who you are, or don't vote.....

I can't help but wonder if you have ever registered to vote. If you had, you would realize how stupid you sound. You already have to prove who you are and where you live when you register.

 

[kidrocks]

Some are federal, but most are state laws or activities where I live.

1. Boarding an airplane
2. Writing a check
3. Cashing a check
4. Using a credit card
5. Driving a motor vehicle
6. Applying for a business license
7. Applying for permission to hold a protest or rally
8. Securing employment
9. Purchasing a house or real estate
10. Renting a domicile
11. Renting a motor vehicle
12. Purchasing a firearm (Includes BB guns)
13. Applying for a hunting license (waived for 16 and 17 year olds when their legal guardian provides a photo ID)
14. Applying for a fishing license (waived for 16 and 17 year olds when their legal guardian provides a photo ID)
15. Purchasing alcoholic beverages
16. Purchasing tobacco or products that contain nicotine
17. Purchasing a motor vehicle
18. Initial registration of a motor vehicle
19. Applying for a building permit
20. Receiving prescription medicine
21. Purchasing OTC medicine that contains pseudoephedrine
22. Serving on jury duty
23. Getting a bank account
24. Cash transactions of $5000.00 or greater
25. Sales tax exemption for people aged 80 and above

Of the above, numbers 2, 3 and 4 are not state law but at a business owners discretion. By law, they can demand it. Numbers 15, 16 and 25 are usually applied using common sense, as in if you appear to be too young the business can demand proof and refuse to engage in the activity if one cannot provide proof of the required age law.

All of the above are things that occur on a daily basis but not necessarily to everybody.
Despite the above common actions that people engage in, some seem to think that asking for a photo ID for voting purposes is somehow a violation of civil liberties or an attempt to prevent people from voting. The really interesting part is that it is usually liberals claiming that it is conservatives attempting to prevent people from voting when a photo ID law would apply equally to both liberals and conservatives. Heck, they would apply equally regardless of age, gender, ethnicity, weight, sexual orientation, income, health, disability, race, wealth, intelligence, marital status, attractiveness, employment status and everything else. Is there something wrong with preventing the dead, the illegal aliens, the young (under the age of suffrage) and other non-qualified people from voting just as we prevent them from engaging in the activities listed above?

Your list of things that require photo identification reaches 25 but... the list of things that require no identification is endless, doesn't it?

 

[g5000]

Because of the enormous size and the increasing bureaucratic complexity of our society I strongly advocate mandatory issuance of a biometric citizen ID card. Such a card should contain a photo, fingerprint, iris or DNA coding, Social Security Number, critical medical info (blood type, medications, allergies, DNR, organ doner, etc.) and should be accessible via swiping at a central database (as per credit cards) terminal along with fingerprint and/or iris reader for instantaneous verification where necessary. The cost of implementing such an ID card program could be covered by charging a $10 fee per issuance (free to those below certain income levels).

Two critically important purposes served by such an infallible means of identification would be the end of illegal immigration and elimination of ID theft and petty fraud. So Government's reluctance to implement such a program is opposed to the People's interest.

Wow. You can't possible be a conservative. A conservative is virulently opposed to the government having such personal information as your fingerprints and DNA without due process.

Man, you are a serious control freak. Downright fascist in your desires.

 

[g5000]

Here we are, 6 or 7 pages in, and no one has a case of voter fraud in over two centures of voting which cannot be solved by anything other than Voter ID.

If this was an actual problem, you guys would have one right at your fingertips. But you don't.

This SCREAMS of a solution looking for a problem.

You are being manipulated.

Wake up.

 

[MikeK]

Please provide a single case of voter fraud which can only be fixed by Voter ID and cannot be fixed by proper management of existing voter registration.

[...]

I don't know about specific voter ID but I believe a foolproof (biometric) Citizen ID Card would be a good thing. I know of no good reason why such an ID card should not be required. One either is a citizen or is not -- and if one is a citizen why not be willing to prove that as well as proving you are who you say you are?

 

[g5000]

Please provide a single case of voter fraud which can only be fixed by Voter ID and cannot be fixed by proper management of existing voter registration.

[...]

I don't know about specific voter ID but I believe a foolproof (biometric) Citizen ID Card would be a good thing. I know of no good reason why such an ID card should not be required.

Because we don't need one.

One either is a citizen or is not -- and if one is a citizen why not be willing to prove that as well as proving you are who you say you are?

I already proved my citizenship and residence when I registered to vote.

We've been doing this for well over two centuries without biometric cards. Is that amazing, or what?

 

[MikeK]

Please provide a single case of voter fraud which can only be fixed by Voter ID and cannot be fixed by proper management of existing voter registration.

[...]

I don't know about specific voter ID but I believe a foolproof (biometric) Citizen ID Card would be a good thing. I know of no good reason why such an ID card should not be required.

Because we don't need one.

One either is a citizen or is not -- and if one is a citizen why not be willing to prove that as well as proving you are who you say you are?

I already proved my citizenship and residence when I registered to vote.

We've been doing this for well over two centuries without biometric cards. Is that amazing, or what?

And we have two extremely serious problems which could be solved with a biometric ID verification system; illegal immigration and identity theft.

 

[MikeK]

Because of the enormous size and the increasing bureaucratic complexity of our society I strongly advocate mandatory issuance of a biometric citizen ID card. Such a card should contain a photo, fingerprint, iris or DNA coding, Social Security Number, critical medical info (blood type, medications, allergies, DNR, organ doner, etc.) and should be accessible via swiping at a central database (as per credit cards) terminal along with fingerprint and/or iris reader for instantaneous verification where necessary. The cost of implementing such an ID card program could be covered by charging a $10 fee per issuance (free to those below certain income levels).

Two critically important purposes served by such an infallible means of identification would be the end of illegal immigration and elimination of ID theft and petty fraud. So Government's reluctance to implement such a program is opposed to the People's interest.

Wow. You can't possible be a conservative. A conservative is virulently opposed to the government having such personal information as your fingerprints and DNA without due process.

Man, you are a serious control freak. Downright fascist in your desires.

I'm neither a categorical Conservative nor a categorical Liberal. I subscribe to no particular political philosophy.

I am also not paranoid and I have no objection to declaring who I am to anyone who has a legitimate reason for asking.

Do you?

 

[g5000]

I don't know about specific voter ID but I believe a foolproof (biometric) Citizen ID Card would be a good thing. I know of no good reason why such an ID card should not be required.

Because we don't need one.

One either is a citizen or is not -- and if one is a citizen why not be willing to prove that as well as proving you are who you say you are?

I already proved my citizenship and residence when I registered to vote.

We've been doing this for well over two centuries without biometric cards. Is that amazing, or what?

And we have two extremely serious problems which could be solved with a biometric ID verification system; illegal immigration and identity theft.

These are issues separate from Voter ID.

And I don't see how any kind of ID will prevent illegal immigration. After all, no other ID has. You don't need an ID to be hired as an illegal immigrant worker.

As for identity theft, your cure is worse than the disease. Putting everyone's DNA into a central government database is not the way to go. That is insane subordination to tyranny.

Plus, I bet it would take five minutes for a seasoned hacker to fake someone's DNA file.

 

[g5000]

Because of the enormous size and the increasing bureaucratic complexity of our society I strongly advocate mandatory issuance of a biometric citizen ID card. Such a card should contain a photo, fingerprint, iris or DNA coding, Social Security Number, critical medical info (blood type, medications, allergies, DNR, organ doner, etc.) and should be accessible via swiping at a central database (as per credit cards) terminal along with fingerprint and/or iris reader for instantaneous verification where necessary. The cost of implementing such an ID card program could be covered by charging a $10 fee per issuance (free to those below certain income levels).

Two critically important purposes served by such an infallible means of identification would be the end of illegal immigration and elimination of ID theft and petty fraud. So Government's reluctance to implement such a program is opposed to the People's interest.

Wow. You can't possible be a conservative. A conservative is virulently opposed to the government having such personal information as your fingerprints and DNA without due process.

Man, you are a serious control freak. Downright fascist in your desires.

I'm neither a categorical Conservative nor a categorical Liberal. I subscribe to no particular political philosophy.

I am also not paranoid and I have no objection to declaring who I am to anyone who has a legitimate reason for asking.

Do you?

Key word "legitimate". No government has a legitimate need for my DNA.

 

[Zander]

So you have one entity that is broken and you want to add another entity? You seem to believe two government entities are less likely to be broken than one.

Ever hear of identity theft? There's another reality. That list you see in the OP, there are people doing most of those things with other people's names all the time. Writing checks, opening bank accounts, getting credit cards. It's a multi billion dollar industry, identity theft.

So ID is not as invulnerable as you think.

Then why require ID for anything? Why not just have everyone 'attest' that they are who they say they are? By the way, I am actually Warren Buffet. Really, I am. Trust me, I wouldn't lie....

Show ID, prove who you are, or don't vote.....

I can't help but wonder if you have ever registered to vote. If you had, you would realize how stupid you sound. You already have to prove who you are and where you live when you register.

Here in California, if I know a person's name and address and that person is registered to vote, I can walk into the polling place and vote for him. Disenfranchising him. That is fraud. If you think that has never happened, you are living in Fantasyland.

PS- I have voted in every election since 1980.

 

[MikeK]

Because we don't need one.



I already proved my citizenship and residence when I registered to vote.

We've been doing this for well over two centuries without biometric cards. Is that amazing, or what?

And we have two extremely serious problems which could be solved with a biometric ID verification system; illegal immigration and identity theft.

These are issues separate from Voter ID.

Yes, they are. But the card would solve that problem, too.

And I don't see how any kind of ID will prevent illegal immigration. After all, no other ID has.

That's because most (all) other ID documents are too easily faked. An ICE investigation revealed that certain employers have actually steered Mexican illegals to a fake ID vendor. The fact is as long as the employer of illegals can produce photocopies of ID documents, regardless of how phony, he is covered.

You don't need an ID to be hired as an illegal immigrant worker.

And that is why we have such a problem. If there was such a thing as a citizen ID card, and if the law requiring an employer to ascertain citizenship of a prospective employee were enforced, the problem of illegal immigration would be ended within a few weeks after the first employer of illegals went to jail for it.

As for identity theft, your cure is worse than the disease. Putting everyone's DNA into a central government database is not the way to go. That is insane subordination to tyranny.

Do you consider it any more subordinating than government having all the information it already has about you? What exactly is it you are so worried about?

Plus, I bet it would take five minutes for a seasoned hacker to fake someone's DNA file.

And you'd lose that bet.

 

[JohnA]

Please show me the passage in the United States Constitution where a "photo" ID is required to vote in this country.

please show me a passage in the constitution where a PHOTO ID is required to purchase a firearm ?

 

[MikeK]

Wow. You can't possible be a conservative. A conservative is virulently opposed to the government having such personal information as your fingerprints and DNA without due process.

Man, you are a serious control freak. Downright fascist in your desires.

I'm neither a categorical Conservative nor a categorical Liberal. I subscribe to no particular political philosophy.

I am also not paranoid and I have no objection to declaring who I am to anyone who has a legitimate reason for asking.

Do you?

Key word "legitimate". No government has a legitimate need for my DNA.

The purpose of eliminating illegal immigration and identity theft represents a very legitimate need.

And why are you so opposed to government having your DNA on file? How could that be harmful to you?

 

[MeBelle]

Ind. election chief found guilty of voter fraud - CBS News
False statement of residence. ID would have prevented it.
Next objection?

Proving his residence at registration would have prevented it.

Notice how he voted in another district? ID would not have prevented that.
<snip>

You contradict yourself in bold.

Further, every year I organize several voter registration drives.
ID is NOT required at time of registration.

 

[MeBelle]

Please add state laws from your state that require photo ID to engage in certain activities.
For example, in Nevada a person under 21 is not allowed to stand and observe games of chance in a casino.

26. Something as simple and basic as applying for a library card
27. Obtaining a passport for any travel outside the United States
28. Entering a government base or facility
29. To obtain a visitor's pass onto a government facility
30. Hotel reservations

(notice also how there is no outcry of a second amendment infraction for requiring a photo ID to own a fire arm, yet the left has a problem with authenticating someone's identity to preserve the "integrety" of our most valued Constitutional right to vote. They "claim" voter supression, that you are denying someone's right to vote, yet even the United States Supreme Court couldn't find such evidence. Yet they could find historical evidence for voting fraud in elections, to sway them in determinating that a voter ID is NOT unconstitutional in a manner that preserves it's integrity.)

31. Purchasing movie tickets for movies rated R and above.
32. Renting movies ^^!
33. Picking up store layaways...
34. Visiting a museum (may be covered by #28 or #29 already)

Anyone visit the Statue of Liberty recently?

 

[Robert_Stephens]

Excuse the intrusion but watching this thread grow, I'm afraid g5000 is correct again. I have been scounging every resource I have and looking carefully for the last 3 hours for precedent and there is none. Please help to prove we are incorrect.

Thank you all in advance,

Robert

 

[naturegirl]

Well, it just so happens the Supreme Court..........that third branch of our government, thinks voter ID laws are OK.

Supreme Court upholds voter ID law - politics - msnbc.com

Just one incident of voter fraud is one too many. There were 113 in Minnesota alone in the 2008 elections. http://www.electionintegritywatch.com/documents/2011-Report-Voter-Fraud-Convictions.pdf

 

[MeBelle]

Excuse the intrusion but watching this thread grow, I'm afraid g5000 is correct again. I have been scounging every resource I have and looking carefully for the last 3 hours for precedent and there is none. Please help to prove we are incorrect.

Thank you all in advance,

Robert

No.
G500 hijacked this thread and made it into something different than what the OP intended for discussion.
He also believes (incorrectly) that ID is required at the point of registration, and by believing this, his query and premise fail.

However he was given an actual case:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...quire-photo-identification-2.html#post4942189