Liberals sue to stop children from learning about God

[lennypartiv]

Should they be taught what Catholics believe about Christ?

Or Baptist ?

The religion of the Founding Fathers was probably closer to Baptist.

 

[boilermaker55]

America is a great place to live.
Sorry you have such a negative outlook.
But then it seems you might be letting the "maga's" ruin your perspective.

America was a better country when we had school prayer.

 

[boilermaker55]

Teach your children and your family your values.

The religion of the Founding Fathers was probably closer to Baptist.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Doesn't matter. There can be only one absolute truth.

It matters if you discipline the student. Derp.

 

[Zincwarrior]

The religion of the Founding Fathers was probably closer to Baptist.

You mean Episcopalian. Most were Church of England, remember?

 

[boilermaker55]

Maybe those that think they know so much do not know as much as they know.

It matters if you discipline the student. Derp.

 

[Mrkelly]

The religion of the Founding Fathers was probably closer to Baptist.

The Catholics wouldn’t like that

See the problem?

 

[MisterBeale]

Children should be taught the truth, and the truth is there is one God who created heaven and earth.

The state religion of atheism teaches that man comes from atoms from chemical reactions alone, which is a fallacy and lie.

Wrong. No freedom from religion.

He is absolutely correct. Freedom of religion does not mean the government is going to shield you from religion. It just means the government will not mandate religion upon you.

How can you sue to prevent something that is guaranteed in the Constitution?

the intent was never to keep the church out of government, just the government out of the church.

I would have never thought that we had so many ignorant Anti-American subversives here.

Wonders never cease.

 

[Grumblenuts]

"Liberals sue"?​

Sounds more like

---A group of Oklahoma parents of public school students, teachers and ministers filed a lawsuit

I demand a piece of the action if "liberals" ever file and win a lawsuit!

 

[Foxfyre]

Teaching Religion has no place in any publicly funded institution.

Believe what you want to believe, but you have no right to force your beliefs on other people - and definitely no right to do so using taxpayer money.

Teaching religious THEOLOGY has no place in publicly funded institutions, but for all of recorded history, there has been no single aspect of the human experience and culture that has been more pervasive or has had more significance than has religion. Even the most isolated and primitive tribes pretty much universally have developed some sort of religion.

To pretend that influence did not/does not exist and has not affected humankind in myriad ways throughout all of record history--to exclude it from history--would be to commit serious educational malpractice.

And to make a child's God unwelcome in the schools is akin to child abuse. I couldn't tell you want the religious beliefs of any of my teachers were--I only knew what denomination four or five of them attended--but God, student led prayers and celebration of religious festivals were freely allowed.

At Christmas all the school choirs came together for the annual Christmas Concert that always included Handel's "Messiah." All the kids--Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist, whatever--loved singing it. And the people--Christian, Jew, Muslim, Atheist, whatever--came from miles around to hear it.

It was a good thing. And every student should be able to find his/her "Holy" book in the school library along with all the other information that should be available there. If the kids want a Bible study group or any other religious group, let them have it.

But Bible should not be a mandatory course in any public school.

 

[lennypartiv]

Teach your children and your family your values.

That's why we hire teachers.

 

[lennypartiv]

The Catholics wouldn’t like that

See the problem?

Tough crap for the Catholics. The Protestant religions should be in control of this.

 

[el midgetron]

I would have never thought that we had so many ignorant Anti-American subversives here.

On what point of my assessment do you disagree? Because I didn’t see anything in the mash if quotations you posted that opposed it.

 

[my2¢]

How can delegating the task of learning about God to the liberal OEA go wrong?

 

[j-mac]

It matters if you discipline the student. Derp.

That's why we hire teachers.

So, no discipline, and leave it to the teachers? Dear lord, no wonder we have kids today who will grow up to hate their parents, and respect nothing.

 

[Dagosa]

Of course children should be taught about God. Yet these liberals want to deny our children the opportunity to learn about God. Our Founding Fathers must be turning over in their graves.

---A group of Oklahoma parents of public school students, teachers and ministers filed a lawsuit Thursday seeking to stop the state's top education official from forcing schools to incorporate the Bible into lesson plans for students in grades 5 through 12.---

MSN

Which god ? As soon as we can all decide which god, maybe. So get back to us. Until then, god is best left the same place sex is: in the privacy of your own chosen domicile. Deal with it.

 

[Dagosa]

How can delegating the task of learning about God to the liberal OEA go wrong?

Which god. There are a dozen or so. But who’s counting ?

 

[Hum Dinger]

Teaching religious THEOLOGY has no place in publicly funded institutions, but for all of recorded history, there has been no single aspect of the human experience and culture that has been more pervasive or has had more significance than has religion. Even the most isolated and primitive tribes pretty much universally have developed some sort of religion.

To pretend that influence did not/does not exist and has not affected humankind in myriad ways throughout all of record history--to exclude it from history--would be to commit serious educational malpractice.

And to make a child's God unwelcome in the schools is akin to child abuse. I couldn't tell you want the religious beliefs of any of my teachers were--I only knew what denomination four or five of them attended--but God, student led prayers and celebration of religious festivals were freely allowed.

At Christmas all the school choirs came together for the annual Christmas Concert that always included Handel's "Messiah." All the kids--Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist, whatever--loved singing it. And the people--Christian, Jew, Muslim, Atheist, whatever--came from miles around to hear it.

It was a good thing. And every student should be able to find his/her "Holy" book in the school library along with all the other information that should be available there. If the kids want a Bible study group or any other religious group, let them have it.

But Bible should not be a mandatory course in any public school.

"there has been no single aspect of the human experience and culture that has been more pervasive or has had more significance than has religion."

Which explains why mankind has such a history of war, mass murder and inhumane atrocities.

You only have to look at your 'Holy City" of Jerusalem to see the continued atrocities caused by religion.

It is the most unholy place in the world, but you religious zealots insist on murdering everyone you can in the name of God.

Individual students may do whatever they like in public schools, but no religion should be taught.

BTW - People sing Handel's Massiah because it's a magnificent piece of music, not because of its religious content.

I play Handel's Courante in G Major because it's a wonderful piece of music - it doesn't have any religious content.

 

[MisterBeale]

On what point of my assessment do you disagree? Because I didn’t see anything in the mash if quotations you posted that opposed it.

This is I think, the root cause of our political problems. Americans have no critical thinking or reading skills. NONE.

Freedom of religion does not mean the government is going to shield you from religion

This is a false statement, and was refuted with this quote;

The thread is about property tax being extracted for the public for the use of indoctrination to a specific religious ideological sect. Jefferson explicitly wrote against this.

A Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom | Constitution Center

National Constitution Center Historic Documents Library record for A Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom

constitutioncenter.org

 

[MisterBeale]

And to make a child's God unwelcome in the schools is akin to child abuse. I couldn't tell you want the religious beliefs of any of my teachers were--I only knew what denomination four or five of them attended--but God, student led prayers and celebration of religious festivals were freely allowed.

But that is NOT what the thread is about. It is about having folks taxes go toward a particular mandate.

Oklahoma teachers were told to use the Bible. There’s resistance from schools as students return​

Oklahoma teachers were told to use the Bible. There's resistance from schools as students return

Oklahoma's education chief is requiring public schools to incorporate Bible lessons and vowing repercussions for those that don't comply.

www.latimes.com

https://archive.ph/SHMgO