Liberals More Averse to AI than Conservatives

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Intelligence gravitates towards good. Good = intelligence.

Intelligence has nothing to do with good or bad. There's absolutely nothing to support this horseshit claim of yours. ^^^ No scientific data, no peer reviewed papers. You pulled this directly out of your rectum, and nothing more.

Again, we are not talking about human frailty here. We are talking about a machine without human weakness.

No such machine exists. Machines are built by humans, period. The latest tech calling itself 'AI' is still based around algorithms purely using human input. If humans are flawed, then the system is flawed. Garbage in, garbage out. Again, you don't know what you're talking about.

Not saying the machine can make moral decisions.

As morality is a purely human construct, saying that would be monumentally stupid.

I'm saying an intelligent machine will gather empirical results about what works for the benefit on man.

We already do that for ourselves. No need for machines to do it for us. We have become a lazy species. Depending on machines to do critical things like that will be the beginning of the downfall of our species.

We don't need AI.

 

[Mashmont]

Intelligence has nothing to do with good or bad. There's absolutely nothing to support this horseshit claim of yours. ^^^ No scientific data, no peer reviewed papers. You pulled this directly out of your rectum, and nothing more.

A good man is a wise man, and a wise man is a good man. I didn't make up that postulate. It's all over the Bible, particularly in Proverbs. God is all good. God is all intelligent. But once again, we are talking about machines of the future that can discern outcomes of moral living.

No such machine exists. Machines are built by humans, period. The latest tech calling itself 'AI' is still based around algorithms purely using human input. If humans are flawed, then the system is flawed. Garbage in, garbage out. Again, you don't know what you're talking about.

That's what I said. Such a machine doesn't exist yet. Pay attention to posts in the thread, please.

As morality is a purely human construct, saying that would be monumentally stupid.

That's where you're dead wrong. Morality is objective, handed down by God.

We already do that for ourselves. No need for machines to do it for us. We have become a lazy species. Depending on machines to do critical things like that will be the beginning of the downfall of our species.

We don't need AI.

That's a debatable opinion, and has nothing to do with my post that you claimed you could 'tear apart' but couldn't.

 

[Votto]

Intelligence gravitates towards good. Good = intelligence. God is all intelligent and all good. Again, we are not talking about human frailty here. We are talking about a machine without human weakness. Not saying the machine can make moral decisions. I'm saying an intelligent machine will gather empirical results about what works for the benefit on man.

This is circular reasoning as you have failed to define what good is other than saying it is intelligence.

I can assure you, goodness is not equivalent to intelligence as intelligence can be and has been and continues to be used for evil purposes.

In fact, the most dangerous people on the planet are those who are very intelligent but do not use their intelligence for good.

So, what is goodness?

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

A good man is a wise man, and a wise man is a good man. I didn't make up that postulate. It's all over the Bible, particularly in Proverbs. God is all good. God is all intelligent

I give zero ***** about any of that. The Bible doesn't rule anything.

That's where you're dead wrong. Morality is objective, handed down by God.

Hmm. Which god?

 

[Mashmont]

I give zero ***** about any of that. The Bible doesn't rule anything.

You said I made it up. This proves I didn't.

Hmm. Which god?

The God of Abraham, of course. That is the only God.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Liberals More Averse to AI than Conservatives. At least in terms of media outlets.

Liberal media outlets display a higher aversion to artificial intelligence than conservative media, study finds

New research sheds light on the relationship between political ideology and media coverage of AI. The study highlights the significant impact of societal bias concerns in liberal media's AI narrative.

www.psypost.org

I find this both surprising and unsurprising

Unsuprising because... Liberals generally don't like science or hard truths or empirical evidence. Their MO is manipulation and deception. AI can flush that out. Conservatives see AI as a tool to improve lives. Liberals see everything as a tool to manipulate. Perhaps they don't feel they can use AI for their purposes if truth prevails.

Surprising because... As with the atomic bomb, leftwingers, defined as those who seek control over the masses, might welcome another tool to use for their own selfish interests. The see their success in controlling the deep-state, media, and academia and figure they can be in control of AI also. I might have also thought conservatives could be adverse to AI for religious reasons, that the immoral state could devalue the person and seek to replace real morality with its own pre-programmed false morality.

The article offers its own reasoning. I don't buy any of it.

Your thoughts?

One more thought on AI: If AI could actually develop to where it can make perfect moral decisions based 100% on truth, then it would inevitably lead to the perfect Jesus-centered point of view for the entire world, the notion of treating everyone well, self-sacrifice, sexual purity, no artificial birth control, no gay marriage, no abortion. While, I don't believe AI will ever be able to make moral decisions on its own, it may be able to empirically determine that these Catholic moral principles generally produce the best observable results.

I believe AI will do great wonders, cure diseases, etc for all who take a mark in their brain. Everything will be tied to this ie financials, medical, buying and selling etc.

 

[initforme]

Intelligence gravitates towards good. Good = intelligence. God is all intelligent and all good. Again, we are not talking about human frailty here. We are talking about a machine without human weakness. Not saying the machine can make moral decisions. I'm saying an intelligent machine will gather empirical results about what works for the benefit on man.

Perhaps it will make humans obsolete in the workforce or significantly reduce the workforce by 50 percent. That'd be something. An interesting experiment.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

You said I made it up. This proves I didn't.

You quote from a source that has the relevancy of a comic book. To me, that's worse.

The God of Abraham, of course. That is the only God

There are quite a few Abrahamic religions. All meaningless.

 

[Mashmont]

You quote from a source that has the relevancy of a comic book. To me, that's worse.

But you said I made it up. I clearly did not.

There are quite a few Abrahamic religions. All meaningless.

I vote for the one whose God can rise from the dead.

 

[Mashmont]

This is circular reasoning as you have failed to define what good is other than saying it is intelligence.

I can assure you, goodness is not equivalent to intelligence as intelligence can be and has been and continues to be used for evil purposes.

In fact, the most dangerous people on the planet are those who are very intelligent but do not use their intelligence for good.

So, what is goodness?

Good is defined as something that provides benefit for others. Intelligence is the ability to understand truth. You are conflating the tendency of human evil with intelligence. That's faulty, because evil people can be either intelligent or not. If you like, we can substitute truth for intelligence. So truth = good. You can say that is circular reasoning, but that's so because they are the same.
God = truth = good = love.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Liberals More Averse to AI than Conservatives. At least in terms of media outlets.

Liberal media outlets display a higher aversion to artificial intelligence than conservative media, study finds

New research sheds light on the relationship between political ideology and media coverage of AI. The study highlights the significant impact of societal bias concerns in liberal media's AI narrative.

www.psypost.org

I find this both surprising and unsurprising

Unsuprising because... Liberals generally don't like science or hard truths or empirical evidence. Their MO is manipulation and deception. AI can flush that out. Conservatives see AI as a tool to improve lives. Liberals see everything as a tool to manipulate. Perhaps they don't feel they can use AI for their purposes if truth prevails.

Surprising because... As with the atomic bomb, leftwingers, defined as those who seek control over the masses, might welcome another tool to use for their own selfish interests. The see their success in controlling the deep-state, media, and academia and figure they can be in control of AI also. I might have also thought conservatives could be adverse to AI for religious reasons, that the immoral state could devalue the person and seek to replace real morality with its own pre-programmed false morality.

The article offers its own reasoning. I don't buy any of it.

Your thoughts?

One more thought on AI: If AI could actually develop to where it can make perfect moral decisions based 100% on truth, then it would inevitably lead to the perfect Jesus-centered point of view for the entire world, the notion of treating everyone well, self-sacrifice, sexual purity, no artificial birth control, no gay marriage, no abortion. While, I don't believe AI will ever be able to make moral decisions on its own, it may be able to empirically determine that these Catholic moral principles generally produce the best observable results.

AI is going to be an issue. Truly fake videos are concerning.

Lefties will use it to lie more than they do now.

The lie that Trump made fun of a handicapped reporter….or the LIE that Trump never said, “AND I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE NEO NAZIS AND WHITE SUPREMACISTS, BECAUSE THEY SHOULD BE CONDEMNED TOTALLY.”

If you perpetuate that lie, you are the racist.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

AI reminds me of the golden calf. Man can not get away from worshipping something physical. It boggles the mind that someone would worship something that they have created. Same with AI. It will be worshipped.

 

[Care4all]

Intelligence gravitates towards good. Good = intelligence. God is all intelligent and all good. Again, we are not talking about human frailty here. We are talking about a machine without human weakness. Not saying the machine can make moral decisions. I'm saying an intelligent machine will gather empirical results about what works for the benefit on man.

But God didn't want us to be all knowledgeable.... did He?

We were punished for eating from the forbidden tree, of the knowledge of good and knowledge of evil?

 

[Care4all]

AI is going to be an issue. Truly fake videos are concerning.

Lefties will use it to lie more than they do now.

The lie that Trump made fun of a handicapped reporter….or the LIE that Trump never said, “AND I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE NEO NAZIS AND WHITE SUPREMACISTS, BECAUSE THEY SHOULD BE CONDEMNED TOTALLY.”

If you perpetuate that lie, you are the racist.

What was a lie about Trump and the handicapped journalist??

 

[ColonelAngus]

AI might even make the posts of Xena tolerable.

 

[Care4all]

As with all things great, moderation and regulating for us, the citizen....is necessary, for many reasons...privacy, security, safety, fake videos, chaos....

This A/I is progressing very fast....
Saw a guy on 24/7 this last week that works in the field said within the next 5-10 yrs, 20% of all white collar jobs will be held by A/I and the human workers will be unemployed.... Maybe he was just bragging about what his company was creating, but if that is even being close to true,

We are in BIG trouble!

 

[Mashmont]

As with all things great, moderation and regulating for us, the citizen....is necessary, for many reasons...privacy, security, safety, fake videos, chaos....

This A/I is progressing very fast....
Saw a guy on 24/7 this last week that works in the field said within the next 5-10 yrs, 20% of all white collar jobs will be held by A/I and the human workers will be unemployed.... Maybe he was just bragging about what his company was creating, but if that is even being close to true,

We are in BIG trouble!

Or will it be like electricity? Too big and too pervasive to be controlled by the few evil selfish people. Everyone agrees electricity is overall a great benefit to mankind. Maybe AI will be like that.

 

[Care4all]

Or will it be like electricity? Too big and too pervasive to be controlled by the few evil selfish people. Everyone agrees electricity is overall a great benefit to mankind. Maybe AI will be like that.

A few evil people can do more harm that outweighs the good....

I'm not saying, don't go forward with the good it can do....just that we need to be careful, cuz those evil ones in China, Russia, Iran, North Korea won't be...they can and will use it against us, come hell or high water!

 

[Votto]

Good is defined as something that provides benefit for others. Intelligence is the ability to understand truth. You are conflating the tendency of human evil with intelligence. That's faulty, because evil people can be either intelligent or not. If you like, we can substitute truth for intelligence. So truth = good. You can say that is circular reasoning, but that's so because they are the same.
God = truth = good = love.

Good is defined as something that provides benefit for others?

That is not how I define what is good.

The Nazi regime benefited others by rounding up Jews, taking their gold, and redistributing their wealth as they were subsequently sent off to die in a concentration camp.

Was that good?

I think you will find that mankind now has the technology to destroy all life on earth, even though it may be argued it may also be used for good.

For example, creating the atom bomb before Nazi Germany saved the West from a very dark future.

Yet this is the result

What about altering the genetics of plants so that they are disease resistant and bigger and better to eat? Funny thing, because of this many cannot reproduce. That is a problem because they can cross pollenate with other plants that can reproduce that will subsequently sterilize them. This then runs the risk of destroying all plant life on earth which is why they created a seed vault hidden away in the Artic.

Or how about global warming? Funny thing, the only reason people are discussing this is because man had the knowledge to exploit fossil fuels for his own needs, but with the downside of possibly destroying the world? Sounds a bit Oppenheimerish, doesn't it?

AI is just one more possible bump in the road towards mankind's continuing quest to find ways to possible destroy all life on earth, and all due to his quest for knowledge while forsaking wisdom at various points along the way.

Intelligent people are what threated life on earth, and not stupid people.

After all, apes in the jungle will never destroy all life on earth, now, will they?

 

[my2¢]

Liberals oppose everything they are not smart enough to think of themselves

Artificial intelligence comes naturally to Conservatives.