**Liberalism Is Bankrupt

[Bfgrn]

BFGRN,

What astounds me is that posts like yours will have NO EFFECT on partisans.

What astounds me is that people who sit on the fence get a picket up their ass.

A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything but the value of nothing.
Oscar Wilde

 

[Redfish]

“Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. Reagan was an ideological inflection point, ending a 50-year liberal ascendancy and beginning a 30-year conservative ascendancy."
Charles Krauthammer


Liberalism will never be bankrupt. And when liberals were running this country, Presidents like Kennedy and Johnson faced the 'awful' problem of revenue surpluses.

Enter the Great American welfare queen, Ronbo Reagan.

Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt.

The last 30 years is not a failure of liberalism. It is squarely on the backs of a revolution that was as big of a failure as the Bolshevik revolution...the Reagan revolution.

"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

"Grover Norquist has no plan to pay this debt down. His plan says you continue to add to the debt..."
Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.)

what a bunch of partisan bullshit. The dems controlled congress most of that time. Congress determines spending, not the president. If the dems wanted to reverse it why has it doubled under obama?

Reagan is not responsible for today's national debt. Why not blame it on FDR or McKinley? The increase in the debt from 9T to 17T belongs squarely on obama and the democrats.

 

[NYcarbineer]

by Martha Mossberg

Liberals know that their worldview no longer makes sense in light of scandal after scandal in Washington.

The high priests of liberalism must be tossing and turning in their organic cotton bedding and downing more small-batch artisanal whisky each night trying to cope with the abject failure of their cause.

They know, even if the masses do not yet fully understand, that their worldview no longer makes sense in light of scandal after scandal in Washington and that the end result could be a great, if slow, deconversion on the scale of the millions who no longer believe in the Christianity its philosophy replaced.

Government, they have told us, is inherently good, like the people it helps. Its largesse helps the poor, its inclusiveness expands rights for all and fairness motivates it. And it is intrinsic to individual success – as the hypothetical “Julia” portrayed in Barack Obama’s recent presidential campaign tried to prove.

This worldview diagnoses government problems as merely a question of bad management or lack of funding, which is why federal government workers and contractors have become in the past decade some of the most highly educated and best paid people in America. And it is why programs which fail to meet goals expand and quality is almost always measured by “inputs” — how much money is spent, how many people are signed up, how many training courses are completed, for example — instead of “outputs” like knowledge acquired and people living independent, productive lives.

But the Internal Revenue Service’s abuse of conservative groups, and revelations that the National Security Agency (NSA) is cataloguing every phone call and email Americans make don’t mesh with the prevailing view of government benevolence. Neither do revelations that the Justice Department criminalized reporting nor those that show high ranking State Department leaders quashed investigations of prostitution and drug abuse among its ranks synch with that outlook. And it clashes with the promise newly elected Barack Obama made in January 2009 that he would “hold myself as president to a new standard of openness….Let me say it as simply as I can: Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency.”

With respect to the NSA and press monitoring revelations it seems the only right to privacy Barack Obama’s administration recognizes is the right to kill unborn children without restrictions with taxpayer dollars.

This unhinging of the administration from recognizable liberal ideals is the end result of progressivism, which knows no law except “forward.” As Philip Rieff wrote in his brilliant 1966 The Triumph of the Therapeutic, “We believe we can live freely at last, enjoying all our senses — except the sense of the past — as unremembering, honest and friendly barbarians all, in a technological Eden.”

But to admit that once sacred principles are obsolete would be political suicide for a man who fulfilled the promises of the great 20th-century liberal causes — civil rights, women’s rights, gay rights, workers’ rights — for millions of Americans. So Mr. Obama is struggling to maintain the old order by making it seem that the omnipresent monitoring of email and tracking of phone records of Americans are really just “modest encroachments” on privacy that are perfectly legal and nothing new.

True believers will cling to his words. But the scales have fallen from the eyes of a media that protected the administration it believed in, and it is only a matter of time before any American who cares to look will see the disconnect between the personal fulfillment and liberation promised by big government and the evil it delivered in the name of safety.

Given that decades of Americans have been steeped for their full lives in the doctrine of government as the solution and savior in public schools, colleges and culture, to what will they turn when liberalism’s lie hits them? I don’t know. But its undoing will give the timeless principles enshrined in the U.S. Constitution a fighting chance against a “forward” that looks more like a backward totalitarian state than the utopia John Lennon sang about in “Imagine.”

What's telling is that the OP had to recruit some other rightwing idiot to express the above idiocy,

apparently not being un-idiotic enough himself to say it in his own words.

Maybe requiring every IRS job applicant to undergo a vaginal probe (or wherever) before being hired would solve the problem.

 

[Dutch]

“Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. Reagan was an ideological inflection point, ending a 50-year liberal ascendancy and beginning a 30-year conservative ascendancy."
Charles Krauthammer


Liberalism will never be bankrupt. And when liberals were running this country, Presidents like Kennedy and Johnson faced the 'awful' problem of revenue surpluses.

Enter the Great American welfare queen, Ronbo Reagan.

Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt.

The last 30 years is not a failure of liberalism. It is squarely on the backs of a revolution that was as big of a failure as the Bolshevik revolution...the Reagan revolution.

"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

"Grover Norquist has no plan to pay this debt down. His plan says you continue to add to the debt..."
Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.)

what a bunch of partisan bullshit. The dems controlled congress most of that time. Congress determines spending, not the president. If the dems wanted to reverse it why has it doubled under obama?

Reagan is not responsible for today's national debt. Why not blame it on FDR or McKinley? The increase in the debt from 9T to 17T belongs squarely on obama and the democrats.

Reagan is off the hook because congress controlls spending but Obama is fully to blame for the deficit? You just summed up todays braindead partisan electorate. Congratulations.

 

[Bfgrn]

“Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. Reagan was an ideological inflection point, ending a 50-year liberal ascendancy and beginning a 30-year conservative ascendancy."
Charles Krauthammer


Liberalism will never be bankrupt. And when liberals were running this country, Presidents like Kennedy and Johnson faced the 'awful' problem of revenue surpluses.

Enter the Great American welfare queen, Ronbo Reagan.

Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt.

The last 30 years is not a failure of liberalism. It is squarely on the backs of a revolution that was as big of a failure as the Bolshevik revolution...the Reagan revolution.

"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

"Grover Norquist has no plan to pay this debt down. His plan says you continue to add to the debt..."
Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.)

what a bunch of partisan bullshit. The dems controlled congress most of that time. Congress determines spending, not the president. If the dems wanted to reverse it why has it doubled under obama?

Reagan is not responsible for today's national debt. Why not blame it on FDR or McKinley? The increase in the debt from 9T to 17T belongs squarely on obama and the democrats.

HORSESHIT. LOOK at our debt before Reagan. Can you read a chart? FDR and Democrats PAID CASH for what they spent. They did not put America on the Beijing credit card. Reagan DID.

"The excuse cannot be used that Congress massively increased Reagan's budget proposals. On the contrary, there was never much difference between Reagan's and Congress's budgets, and despite propaganda to the contrary, Reagan never proposed a cut in the total budget."
Murray N. Rothbard - former Dean of the Austrian School, an economist, economic historian, and libertarian political philosopher

 

[NYcarbineer]

“Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. Reagan was an ideological inflection point, ending a 50-year liberal ascendancy and beginning a 30-year conservative ascendancy."
Charles Krauthammer


Liberalism will never be bankrupt. And when liberals were running this country, Presidents like Kennedy and Johnson faced the 'awful' problem of revenue surpluses.

Enter the Great American welfare queen, Ronbo Reagan.

Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt.

The last 30 years is not a failure of liberalism. It is squarely on the backs of a revolution that was as big of a failure as the Bolshevik revolution...the Reagan revolution.

"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

"Grover Norquist has no plan to pay this debt down. His plan says you continue to add to the debt..."
Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.)

what a bunch of partisan bullshit. The dems controlled congress most of that time. Congress determines spending, not the president. If the dems wanted to reverse it why has it doubled under obama?

Reagan is not responsible for today's national debt. Why not blame it on FDR or McKinley? The increase in the debt from 9T to 17T belongs squarely on obama and the democrats.

I suppose you have a story to tell us as to why it wasn't GW Bush AND the GOP Congress's fault that triple digit deficits returned after 2000?

Entertain us.

 

[Redfish]

“Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. Reagan was an ideological inflection point, ending a 50-year liberal ascendancy and beginning a 30-year conservative ascendancy."
Charles Krauthammer


Liberalism will never be bankrupt. And when liberals were running this country, Presidents like Kennedy and Johnson faced the 'awful' problem of revenue surpluses.

Enter the Great American welfare queen, Ronbo Reagan.

Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt.

The last 30 years is not a failure of liberalism. It is squarely on the backs of a revolution that was as big of a failure as the Bolshevik revolution...the Reagan revolution.

"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

"Grover Norquist has no plan to pay this debt down. His plan says you continue to add to the debt..."
Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.)

what a bunch of partisan bullshit. The dems controlled congress most of that time. Congress determines spending, not the president. If the dems wanted to reverse it why has it doubled under obama?

Reagan is not responsible for today's national debt. Why not blame it on FDR or McKinley? The increase in the debt from 9T to 17T belongs squarely on obama and the democrats.

I suppose you have a story to tell us as to why it wasn't GW Bush AND the GOP Congress's fault that triple digit deficits returned after 2000?

Entertain us.

gladly, congress is always responsible. How many budget bills have been passed in the house that Reid has not allowed to be brought to the floor of the senate? How many budget bills has obama signed in the last 5 years?

Rightly or wrongly, the president always gets the blame or the credit for what happens to the economy on his watch.

When will you guys ever hold obama responsible for ANYTHING?

 

[Redfish]

“Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. Reagan was an ideological inflection point, ending a 50-year liberal ascendancy and beginning a 30-year conservative ascendancy."
Charles Krauthammer


Liberalism will never be bankrupt. And when liberals were running this country, Presidents like Kennedy and Johnson faced the 'awful' problem of revenue surpluses.

Enter the Great American welfare queen, Ronbo Reagan.

Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt.

The last 30 years is not a failure of liberalism. It is squarely on the backs of a revolution that was as big of a failure as the Bolshevik revolution...the Reagan revolution.

"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

"Grover Norquist has no plan to pay this debt down. His plan says you continue to add to the debt..."
Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.)

what a bunch of partisan bullshit. The dems controlled congress most of that time. Congress determines spending, not the president. If the dems wanted to reverse it why has it doubled under obama?

Reagan is not responsible for today's national debt. Why not blame it on FDR or McKinley? The increase in the debt from 9T to 17T belongs squarely on obama and the democrats.

Reagan is off the hook because congress controlls spending but Obama is fully to blame for the deficit? You just summed up todays braindead partisan electorate. Congratulations.

What I said is that Reagan is not responsible for the increases of the debt under Obama.

I know that you obama worshipers never want him held responsible for anything, but the fact is that the debt almost doubled in his first 5 years and he has done nothing to reverse it.

 

[Redfish]

Back to the OP.

Liberalism has always been bankrupt. A study of history confirms that. But if we choose to ignore history, we are doomed to repeat it.

 

[Bfgrn]

what a bunch of partisan bullshit. The dems controlled congress most of that time. Congress determines spending, not the president. If the dems wanted to reverse it why has it doubled under obama?

Reagan is not responsible for today's national debt. Why not blame it on FDR or McKinley? The increase in the debt from 9T to 17T belongs squarely on obama and the democrats.

I suppose you have a story to tell us as to why it wasn't GW Bush AND the GOP Congress's fault that triple digit deficits returned after 2000?

Entertain us.

gladly, congress is always responsible. How many budget bills have been passed in the house that Reid has not allowed to be brought to the floor of the senate? How many budget bills has obama signed in the last 5 years?

Rightly or wrongly, the president always gets the blame or the credit for what happens to the economy on his watch.

When will you guys ever hold obama responsible for ANYTHING?

When Republicans in Congress stop obstructing EVERYTHING the President tries to do.

The short time Democrats controlled both houses of Congress, they put us on a trajectory. The CBO called it The Extended-Baseline Scenario. If no new laws were passed, repealed or changed, the Bush tax cuts for the opulent finally ended and the Affordable Health care Act was fully implemented it was compared to what republicans would do if they gained power. That was called The Alternative Fiscal Scenario.


Here is the 'rub'...We are on The Extended-Baseline Scenario trajectory Obama and the Democrats put us on. If Congress does nothing the Extended-Baseline Scenario is already in place.

IF the Bush tax cuts don't expire and the AHA is not fully implemented or repealed the The Alternative Fiscal Scenario is the trajectory Teapublicans will take us if they gain enough power.

the CBO lays it out perfectly clear...CRYSTAL.

Federal Debt Held by the Public Under CBO’s Long-Term Budget Scenarios
(Percentage of gross domestic product)

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The chart shows 2 scenarios. For all practical purposes, you can call the Extended-Baseline Scenario the Democrat scenario and the Alternative Fiscal Scenario the Teapublican scenario.


The Extended-Baseline Scenario adheres closely to current law. Under this scenario, the expiration of the tax cuts enacted since 2001 and most recently extended in 2010, the growing reach of the alternative minimum tax, the tax provisions of the recent health care legislation, and the way in which the tax system interacts with economic growth would result in steadily higher revenues relative to GDP.

The Alternative Fiscal Scenario
The budget outlook is much bleaker under the alternative fiscal scenario, which incorporates several changes to current law that are widely expected to occur or that would modify some provisions of law that might be difficult to sustain for a long period. Most important are the assumptions about revenues: that the tax cuts enacted since 2001 and extended most recently in 2010 will be extended; that the reach of the alternative minimum tax will be restrained to stay close to its historical extent; and that over the longer run, tax law will evolve further so that revenues remain near their historical average of 18 percent of GDP. This scenario also incorporates assumptions that Medicare’s payment rates for physicians will remain at current levels (rather than declining by about a third, as under current law) and that some policies enacted in the March 2010 health care legislation to restrain growth in federal health care spending will not continue in effect after 2021.


"The debt explosion has resulted not from big spending by the Democrats, but instead the Republican Party's embrace, about three decades ago, of the insidious doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts."
David Stockman - Director of the Office of Management and Budget for U.S. President Ronald Reagan.

"Grover Norquist has no plan to pay this debt down. His plan says you continue to add to the debt..."
Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.)

 

[NYcarbineer]

what a bunch of partisan bullshit. The dems controlled congress most of that time. Congress determines spending, not the president. If the dems wanted to reverse it why has it doubled under obama?

Reagan is not responsible for today's national debt. Why not blame it on FDR or McKinley? The increase in the debt from 9T to 17T belongs squarely on obama and the democrats.

I suppose you have a story to tell us as to why it wasn't GW Bush AND the GOP Congress's fault that triple digit deficits returned after 2000?

Entertain us.

gladly, congress is always responsible. How many budget bills have been passed in the house that Reid has not allowed to be brought to the floor of the senate? How many budget bills has obama signed in the last 5 years?

Rightly or wrongly, the president always gets the blame or the credit for what happens to the economy on his watch.

When will you guys ever hold obama responsible for ANYTHING?

Do you know that adjusted for inflation, government spending peaked in FY 2009?

 

[Bfgrn]

Back to the OP.

Liberalism has always been bankrupt. A study of history confirms that. But if we choose to ignore history, we are doomed to repeat it.

Liberalism is what this nation was founded on. Conservatives in 1776 were called Redcoats, Tories, Lobsterbacks and new citizens of Canada.

 

[Truthseeker420]

what a bunch of partisan bullshit. The dems controlled congress most of that time. Congress determines spending, not the president. If the dems wanted to reverse it why has it doubled under obama?

Reagan is not responsible for today's national debt. Why not blame it on FDR or McKinley? The increase in the debt from 9T to 17T belongs squarely on obama and the democrats.

I suppose you have a story to tell us as to why it wasn't GW Bush AND the GOP Congress's fault that triple digit deficits returned after 2000?

Entertain us.

gladly, congress is always responsible. How many budget bills have been passed in the house that Reid has not allowed to be brought to the floor of the senate? How many budget bills has obama signed in the last 5 years?

Rightly or wrongly, the president always gets the blame or the credit for what happens to the economy on his watch.

When will you guys ever hold obama responsible for ANYTHING?

How many budgets have the HOR gave to the Senate and Obama that they could sign in good conscience? But they have time to waste taxpayer trying to repeal Obamacare 42 times. Still didn't explain bush screwing up the budget surplus of Clinton.

 

[Redfish]

I suppose you have a story to tell us as to why it wasn't GW Bush AND the GOP Congress's fault that triple digit deficits returned after 2000?

Entertain us.

gladly, congress is always responsible. How many budget bills have been passed in the house that Reid has not allowed to be brought to the floor of the senate? How many budget bills has obama signed in the last 5 years?

Rightly or wrongly, the president always gets the blame or the credit for what happens to the economy on his watch.

When will you guys ever hold obama responsible for ANYTHING?

How many budgets have the HOR gave to the Senate and Obama that they could sign in good conscience? But they have time to waste taxpayer trying to repeal Obamacare 42 times. Still didn't explain bush screwing up the budget surplus of Clinton.

Did 9/11 have any affect on government spending? Did 9/11 have any affect on the economy?

in addition, the clinton economy looked good because of the false dot com bubble, lots of worthless paper was created that temporarily made the economy look good, then when it burst, bubba was out of office. Nice try, but fail once again.

 

[Redfish]

I suppose you have a story to tell us as to why it wasn't GW Bush AND the GOP Congress's fault that triple digit deficits returned after 2000?

Entertain us.

gladly, congress is always responsible. How many budget bills have been passed in the house that Reid has not allowed to be brought to the floor of the senate? How many budget bills has obama signed in the last 5 years?

Rightly or wrongly, the president always gets the blame or the credit for what happens to the economy on his watch.

When will you guys ever hold obama responsible for ANYTHING?

How many budgets have the HOR gave to the Senate and Obama that they could sign in good conscience? But they have time to waste taxpayer trying to repeal Obamacare 42 times. Still didn't explain bush screwing up the budget surplus of Clinton.

the question is how many budget bills that were passed by the house did Reid allow to be debated or voted on in the senate? Answer: zero.

Why was that? afraid one might pass? afraid that open debate would show up the flaws in obama's administration?

 

[Redfish]

Back to the OP.

Liberalism has always been bankrupt. A study of history confirms that. But if we choose to ignore history, we are doomed to repeat it.

Liberalism is what this nation was founded on. Conservatives in 1776 were called Redcoats, Tories, Lobsterbacks and new citizens of Canada.

the 1776 definition of liberalism is what is known as conservatism today. the redcoats, tories, etc were the liberals of 1776.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I suppose you have a story to tell us as to why it wasn't GW Bush AND the GOP Congress's fault that triple digit deficits returned after 2000?

Entertain us.

gladly, congress is always responsible. How many budget bills have been passed in the house that Reid has not allowed to be brought to the floor of the senate? How many budget bills has obama signed in the last 5 years?

Rightly or wrongly, the president always gets the blame or the credit for what happens to the economy on his watch.

When will you guys ever hold obama responsible for ANYTHING?

Do you know that adjusted for inflation, government spending peaked in FY 2009?

lol, I will take the grumpy silence to mean, well, I do now...

 

[NYcarbineer]

gladly, congress is always responsible. How many budget bills have been passed in the house that Reid has not allowed to be brought to the floor of the senate? How many budget bills has obama signed in the last 5 years?

Rightly or wrongly, the president always gets the blame or the credit for what happens to the economy on his watch.

When will you guys ever hold obama responsible for ANYTHING?

How many budgets have the HOR gave to the Senate and Obama that they could sign in good conscience? But they have time to waste taxpayer trying to repeal Obamacare 42 times. Still didn't explain bush screwing up the budget surplus of Clinton.

Did 9/11 have any affect on government spending? Did 9/11 have any affect on the economy?

in addition, the clinton economy looked good because of the false dot com bubble, lots of worthless paper was created that temporarily made the economy look good, then when it burst, bubba was out of office. Nice try, but fail once again.

So Bush gets macro-economic variables to use as an excuse,

but Obama doesn't.

lol

 

[FA_Q2]

gladly, congress is always responsible. How many budget bills have been passed in the house that Reid has not allowed to be brought to the floor of the senate? How many budget bills has obama signed in the last 5 years?

Rightly or wrongly, the president always gets the blame or the credit for what happens to the economy on his watch.

When will you guys ever hold obama responsible for ANYTHING?

Do you know that adjusted for inflation, government spending peaked in FY 2009?

lol, I will take the grumpy silence to mean, well, I do now...

Instead you should take it as refuted a dozen times and yet you still parrot it. I have no reason to post the numbers again, as you have refused to acknowledge the Whitehouse historical numbers.

 

[Redfish]

gladly, congress is always responsible. How many budget bills have been passed in the house that Reid has not allowed to be brought to the floor of the senate? How many budget bills has obama signed in the last 5 years?

Rightly or wrongly, the president always gets the blame or the credit for what happens to the economy on his watch.

When will you guys ever hold obama responsible for ANYTHING?

Do you know that adjusted for inflation, government spending peaked in FY 2009?

lol, I will take the grumpy silence to mean, well, I do now...

why would I respond to a lie that you have been refuted on many times?