If you have to ask, then you are truly lost.There was nothing CHEAP about what I said, or was it an ATTACK. I simply stated a fact.There is NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING, in a liberals mind that would indicate they love FREEDOM, when they so ardently support a TYRANNICAL JUNIOR HITLER DICTATOR as president, period, end of story.What do those terms mean to you?
For me, it is as follows...
Liberalism:
From a political perspective, it is a viewpoint or ideology associated with free speech, a free media, free political institutions and religious toleration, as well as support for a strong role of government (as opposed to private sector) in regulating capitalism and providing a social safety net. We are all each other's keepers.
From a social perspective, it is the opposite of conservatism. It's inclusive and seeks to ever widen the circle of what is in the "in" group. Our liberal impulse is what gave us abolition, civil rights and the rights of women to vote. Our liberal impulses are what make us human.
Davidson Loehr: "Liberal impulses serve to give us not stability but civility: humanity. They do this by expanding the definitions of our inherited territorial categories. The essential job of liberals in human societies is to enlarge our understanding of who belongs in our in-group. This is the plot of virtually all liberal advances."
Conservatism:
From a political perspective, conservative ideologies value established and traditional practices in politics and society. They prefer a strong and minimally regulated private-sector role over a government role in regulating capitalism and providing a social safety net. We are responsible for ourselves and for regulating ourselves in both business' and privately.
From a social perspective, Conservatism is also about protecting traditional social values and the status-quo. The status quo - what is defined as the "in group" is always updating. What was liberal and new, eventually becomes the status quo (the expanded "in group" to be protected. Civil rights, women's vote, etc expanded our "in group" into multi-colored, multi-gender. Conservatism protects stability in societies.
I see liberalism and conservatism somewhat holistically - comprising politics, culture, ethics and religion. I see it also as a balancing act - we can have a good society without both. If the pendulum swings to far in one direction we have chaos, it it is to far in the other we have stagnation.
Davison Loerh summed it up well in this article: UU World The Fundamentalist Agenda by Davidson Loehr
The questions for this topic are:
What is liberalism and conservatism to you politically, socially, religiously?
Can they both co-exist together and produce a balanced society?
The rules are:
1. Leave political parties out of it, political parties change over time and don't necessarily reflect conservative or liberal values.
2. No ad homs or personal attacks - attack the argument not the speaker.
3. Light off topic banter is ok in small amounts, but lets not derail the thread.
They GLEEFULLY give up their FREEDOM as if it were WORTHLESS, so long as it's OBAMA TAKING IT AWAY.
What is liberalism to you and what is conservatism to you? Can you fill us in without resorting to cheap political attacks? Looking at ideology here, not modern politics.
Where does freedom fit in and how do you define freedom?
All you have to do is look at what is happening in this nation today, and who supports what. Obama is obviously an America hating, muslim coddling, muslim himself, ideolog, marxist, Alinsky following, Soros funded, radical that is in the process "FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORMING" America, when America didn't want or need to be transformed. So those supporting him, aka LIBERALS, must share his America hating views and agenda.
CONSERVATIVES on the other hand LOVE America, for what it was, what it is, and want it to REMAIN so.
Doesn't take a whole lot to figure that all out, as the vast majority of Americans at this point have.
What is freedom to you?