Liberal Intellectual Elite ("LIE")

[blu]

I see a lot of leftists in this thread disparaging the education of the conservatives present without showing their own academic pursuits.

funny...I can recall you questioning a liberal's education... I asked you what YOURS consisted of, and you didn't bother to answer.

he did somewhere back. has a (degree?, not sure whats its called exactly) from AAS

 

[daveman]

I see a lot of leftists in this thread disparaging the education of the conservatives present without showing their own academic pursuits.

But of course. Their pursuits are nobler dontchaknow?

Their attitude reflects what they think of everyone else...including the people they claim to be champion of...

If you want to know what a leftist thinks or wants, see what he accuses conservatives of.

 

[edthecynic]

I wasn't taught it; I've been around other people who were taught it.

And where were they taught it?

Colleges and universities. I suppose some weak-minded fools learned it by reading leftist websites.

Hatred for Americans is taught on GOP hate radio like the LimpTard Institute for Advanced CON$ervoFascist Studies.

 

[daveman]

How do you feel about the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

usually lean towards necessary evil. I don't think japan was ever going to give up otherwise. I do think we (meaning FDR) provoked pearl harbor though which makes it different.

Cool. I agree with everything but the provocation theory.

What is your academic background?

bachelors of computer science and working part time towards masters

Again, cool. Thanks.

 

[daveman]

I see a lot of leftists in this thread disparaging the education of the conservatives present without showing their own academic pursuits.

funny...I can recall you questioning a liberal's education... I asked you what YOURS consisted of, and you didn't bother to answer.

Then you need to pay better attention.

 

[daveman]

I bet he has more degrees than Toby

Just the one. How about you?

 

[daveman]

I see a lot of leftists in this thread disparaging the education of the conservatives present without showing their own academic pursuits.

funny...I can recall you questioning a liberal's education... I asked you what YOURS consisted of, and you didn't bother to answer.

he did somewhere back. has a (degree?, not sure whats its called exactly) from AAS

Ummm, no. An Associate's in Applied Science in laser/electro-optics. From Vincennes University. John Mellencamp's alma mater.

 

[daveman]

And where were they taught it?

Colleges and universities. I suppose some weak-minded fools learned it by reading leftist websites.

Hatred for Americans is taught on GOP hate radio like the LimpTard Institute for Advanced CON$ervoFascist Studies.

And today's moment of far-left insanity is brought to you by edthecynic!

Remember...when you think far-left insanity, think edthecynic!

 

[Truthmatters]

I bet he has more degrees than Toby

LOL desh.... what a trip down memory lane!

Yeah this guy may not be as bad as Toby.

I doubt the truth about his education would be what he would claim.


Its his team who hates higher education, science and history.

They have to fight itellectual persuit to retain their failed ideas.

 

[Political Junky]

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Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy.[5][6] Fascism was originally founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but it gravitated to the political right in the early 1920s.[7][8] Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right of the conventional left-right political spectrum.[9][10][11][12][13][14]
Fascism is strongly opposed to core aspects of the Enlightenment and is an opponent of liberalism, Marxism, and mainstream socialism because those are associated with failures that fascists claim are inherent in the Enlightenment.[22] Fascists view egalitarianism, materialism, and rationalism as failed elements of the Enlightenment.[23] In contrast, Fascists promote action, discipline, hierarchy, spirit, and will.[24] They oppose liberalism — as a bourgeois movement — and Marxism — as a proletarian movement — for being exclusive economic class-based movements.[

 

[daveman]

Impressionable Minds - Teaching Politically Correct History

Another problem is closely related: The history now taught in schools is often ideologically motivated revisionism. Signs of this are everywhere, though one example will have to suffice: During the period marking the dedication of the World War II Memorial on the Mall, the Washington Post did a story on knowledge of the Second World War among Virginia high-schoolers. What did the students know? A little bit about Hitler; a bit on the Holocaust. Nothing on Mussolini. Nothing on Japanese Fascism, or the rape of Nanking, or the victimization of Korea, or the willful destruction of Manila in 1945. But students were well informed about the Nisei – the Japanese Americans interned by Roosevelt at the beginning of World War II.

Was the Nisei episode an injustice? Of course. Have we acknowledged as much? Yes. Have we compensated the survivors and heirs? Yes. But what scholar would say that this is the main or most important story to come out of World War II? Even the writer for the Washington Post was shocked.

He shouldn't have been. In a study for the American Textbook Council in 2000, historian Gilbert Sewall reviewed in depth the PC influence on history textbooks in the last decades of the 20th century. Most of the textbooks advanced one trend, summarized in the ultimate example of PC history, the so-called National History Standards of 1994. These were in part produced, ironically, by the federal government. The project started innocently enough and was part of the attempt to establish Goals 2000 – a set of standards of what K-12 public-school students should know in such subjects as math, English, and history. In 1989, President George H. W. Bush endorsed Goals 2000, and the Department of Education and the National Endowment for the Humanities, under Lynne Cheney, funded the history set.

The goal was to write an inclusive history of the United States – that is, one that would enrich and expand upon the points that students have always learned about political, military, diplomatic, and scientific history – the domain of the "Dead White Euromales." To be added was a "history from below," the new stories of excellent and neglected achievements in women's history, black history, ethnic history in general, and labor studies. In short, "history from above" was to meet "history from below," so that students would be introduced to the totality of American experience.

It didn't work out that way. After President Clinton was elected – though unbeknownst to his appointees – the project took a different tack. Headed by Gary Nash, a professor of history at UCLA and an expert in African-American history, the project moved away from inclusion, enrichment, and expansion into exclusion and the denigration of dead white Euromales. Out went emphases on the Pilgrims and Williamsburg; in came long passages on Mansu Musa, a West African king whose region was decimated by the slave trade. Gone were Jefferson and Franklin, replaced with stories of friction between labor and the wealthier classes during the Revolution. On the subject of the Cold War, out went Joseph Stalin and in came Joe McCarthy, Joe McCarthy, and (surprise!) Joe McCarthy. Many of the new points were worth making, but the accumulative denigration of the dead white males was both unscholarly and unhistorical. The once noble goal of general inclusion became a left-wing mechanism to exclude the historical role of Europeans in building America.

One perfect example was the treatment of George Washington, who was hardly mentioned in the standards at all. On NBC's Dateline, Jane Pauley asked Gary Nash what was the one thing American students should know about Washington. The answer: "He was a member of a slaveholding aristocracy." That was it. Never mind that without Washington's genius in leading a rag-tag militia against the greatest military power on earth, this nation would not have come to be. Forget that without his guidance in the early Federal era, the country might easily have swerved toward the extremes of either monarchy or anarchy, as France did shortly after. Indeed, without Washington, the radical poet William Blake wrote, "the Earth would have lost something of the infinite." Radicals used to know such things.

Yes, Washington was a slaveholder. He wished, however, for an end to slavery. He sold none of his slaves out of their families and freed them at his death. Furthermore, he never asked questions about the origins of the black men in his army, and there were plenty. Washington was indeed a slaveholder, but that isn't the whole story. Nash was speaking ideology, not history.

Such leftist bias was in full display in the content of the National Standards. In covering the Cold War, for example, the United States and the Soviet Union were presented as morally equal adversaries participating in a kind of childish "sword play." To be sure, we can regret some of America's political actions in the 1950s and beyond. But it's historically untenable to deny the fact that the Cold War was rooted primarily in Stalin's desire to subvert as much of Europe as he could. We know this. We have the Venona transcripts and other KGB documents, unsealed after 1990, to prove it. We also have the memoirs of the grandchildren of Stalin's insiders (those who survived him) telling us how kind Uncle Joe used to talk about the inevitability of nuclear war – and how he intended to win it. In its attempt at moral equivalence, the history standards fell into plain dishonesty.

 

[edthecynic]

Speaking of which...

you really don't see how weak your 2nd hand, urban legend "Evidence" is

You're laboring under the mistaken idea that others have told me about this, and I'm relating it to you.

On the contrary -- I have seen many leftists who without a doubt hate America.

As if you would ever tell the truth.

The only people who hate America enough to hope for more terrorist attacks and Americans suffering the loss of their jobs so the GOP can score political points and regain power are the America hating CON$ervoFascist scum on the right.

Arkansas GOP head: We need more 'attacks on American soil' so people appreciate Bush
Josh Catone
Published: Sunday June 3, 2007

In his first interview as the chairman of the Arkansas Republican Party, Dennis Milligan told a reporter that America needs to be attacked by terrorists so that people will appreciate the work that President Bush has done to protect the country.

"At the end of the day, I believe fully the president is doing the right thing, and I think all we need is some attacks on American soil like we had on [Sept. 11, 2001]," Milligan said to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, "and the naysayers will come around very quickly to appreciate not only the commitment for President Bush, but the sacrifice that has been made by men and women to protect this country."

November 5, 2008
RUSH: I hope all your Joe the Plumbers are unemployed in six months! There.

October 31, 2008
RUSH:* Joe the Plumber.* Now, Joe the Plumber is an average citizen

 

[daveman]

I bet he has more degrees than Toby

LOL desh.... what a trip down memory lane!

Yeah this guy may not be as bad as Toby.

I doubt the truth about his education would be what he would claim.

I've got nothing to hide.

Looks like you do, though -- you keep refusing to list your own education.

Its his team who hates higher education, science and history.

They have to fight itellectual persuit to retain their failed ideas.

That's "It's" and iNtellectual" and "pUrsuit".

 

[blu]

funny...I can recall you questioning a liberal's education... I asked you what YOURS consisted of, and you didn't bother to answer.

he did somewhere back. has a (degree?, not sure whats its called exactly) from AAS

Ummm, no. An Associate's in Applied Science in laser/electro-optics. From Vincennes University. John Mellencamp's alma mater.

ah cool. did you have to delve in the quantum mechanics involved ? that stuff is fascinating

 

[daveman]

you really don't see how weak your 2nd hand, urban legend "Evidence" is

You're laboring under the mistaken idea that others have told me about this, and I'm relating it to you.

On the contrary -- I have seen many leftists who without a doubt hate America.

As if you would ever tell the truth.

You're in no position to lecture anyone about dishonesty, Skippy.

 

[daveman]

he did somewhere back. has a (degree?, not sure whats its called exactly) from AAS

Ummm, no. An Associate's in Applied Science in laser/electro-optics. From Vincennes University. John Mellencamp's alma mater.

ah cool. did you have to delve in the quantum mechanics involved ? that stuff is fascinating

Yup. It sure is. It's a great big world down there inside the atom.

 

[blu]

Ummm, no. An Associate's in Applied Science in laser/electro-optics. From Vincennes University. John Mellencamp's alma mater.

ah cool. did you have to delve in the quantum mechanics involved ? that stuff is fascinating

Yup. It sure is. It's a great big world down there inside the atom.

did you delve into anything that required hyperbolic diff eqs? conquering those will be a great feat one day in the future for me, b/c now they make my head hurt

 

[daveman]

ah cool. did you have to delve in the quantum mechanics involved ? that stuff is fascinating

Yup. It sure is. It's a great big world down there inside the atom.

did you delve into anything that required hyperbolic diff eqs? conquering those will be a great feat one day in the future for me, b/c now they make my head hurt

Just flirted with it a bit, and that was painful enough.

Holy cow...that was 27 years ago...

 

[edthecynic]

Colleges and universities. I suppose some weak-minded fools learned it by reading leftist websites.

Hatred for Americans is taught on GOP hate radio like the LimpTard Institute for Advanced CON$ervoFascist Studies.

And today's moment of far-left insanity is brought to you by edthecynic!

Remember...when you think far-left insanity, think edthecynic!

Sure, your MessiahRushie calls Americans STUPID because of his great love and respect for stupid people.

December 10, 2008
DEMINT:** Americans are not stupid.
*
RUSH:* Yes, they are.

 

[daveman]

Hatred for Americans is taught on GOP hate radio like the LimpTard Institute for Advanced CON$ervoFascist Studies.

And today's moment of far-left insanity is brought to you by edthecynic!

Remember...when you think far-left insanity, think edthecynic!

Sure, your MessiahRushie calls Americans STUPID because of his great love and respect for stupid people.

December 10, 2008
DEMINT:** Americans are not stupid.
*
RUSH:* Yes, they are.

1. I don't listen to Rush.

2. Jesus Christ is my Messiah.

3. America elected Obama -- Rush may have a point.