Liberal Aspen Times--jumps ship--Thanks Obama for waking a sleeping giant.

[Sherry]

It's absolute crap. Obama is no different than many other president we have had for decades. Now all of a sudden, people are pissed with government spending after being behind a money pissing down the drain war? Billions going to Iraq, but now they are outraged? Complete and utter horseshit. NOt a peep about spending under Bush, but suddenly its a bad thing. Not a peep about the constitution when they supported the Patriot act and many other blatant things Bush didn't that was unconstitutional. These people only know the constitution (cough cough 2nd amendment) when it suits their beliefs. This president spends money on americans to attempt to help a struggling economy, its suddenly horrible, socialism, and they are outraged.

Sorry, for many people, its purely racism and partisan politics as usual.

Not all, so don't come bitching about how it isn't about those, I never said everybody is like that.

Then you weren't listening. True, it wasn't the rallying cry that it is today, but there was noise being made. I don't get this line of defense anyway. At some point people have to wake up, and I'm glad to see it happening.

 

[Si modo]

It's absolute crap. Obama is no different than many other president we have had for decades. Now all of a sudden, people are pissed with government spending ....

Then, I suppose Obama should not have made an "unsustainable budget" if you and he didn't want to be criticized for ridiculous spending.

 

[Vanquish]

You suffer from the very common misconception that being a centrist = indecision. That couldn't be farther from the truth.

Centrism comes from 2 principles, in my eyes.

1. Neither party is the one source for the perfect ideas or action plans. Both sides have good ideas sometimes.

2. Compromise isn't giving up - it's admitting when you're wrong and it's giving a bit to get a bit.

That doesn't stop anyone from making strong decisions. It doesn't mean that you can't have a set of guiding principles that you adhere to.

What it means is...it means you're not a partisan hack that swallows the party like of Republicans or Democrats without thinking first...and it means you're responsible enough to admit when the other guy has a good idea.

Any more questions, my young padawan?

There is only one side, the good side.
Sincerely, compromising your good ethics and principles away are not compromise, but the act of laying those principles down, and allowing the wrong part of an argument take hold. It takes no ethical determination to compromise. I am not talking about party. Parties are shit, they are both the tools of the more persuasive to enslave the idot class.

Get your head out of your ass and listen.

Compromise isn't giving up your principles. WAKE THE FUCK UP!!! You don't have to dig in your heels and stick to one side. Real life isn't like that!!! Both sides are made of human beings...human beings who have the same problems, make the same mistakes, who have errors in judgment.

Obviously you MUST be talking about parties...otherwise you and I would be agreeing right now instead of you being obtuse. Hate to tell you, there is no ONE, GOOD side.

 

[saveliberty]

I guess it depends what your compromising on. I don't compromise principle period. Pragmatism needs to have very definite limits.

 

[Dr Gregg]

It's absolute crap. Obama is no different than many other president we have had for decades. Now all of a sudden, people are pissed with government spending after being behind a money pissing down the drain war? Billions going to Iraq, but now they are outraged? Complete and utter horseshit. NOt a peep about spending under Bush, but suddenly its a bad thing. Not a peep about the constitution when they supported the Patriot act and many other blatant things Bush didn't that was unconstitutional. These people only know the constitution (cough cough 2nd amendment) when it suits their beliefs. This president spends money on americans to attempt to help a struggling economy, its suddenly horrible, socialism, and they are outraged.

Sorry, for many people, its purely racism and partisan politics as usual.

Not all, so don't come bitching about how it isn't about those, I never said everybody is like that.

Then you weren't listening. True, it wasn't the rallying cry that it is today, but there was noise being made. I don't get this line of defense anyway. At some point people have to wake up, and I'm glad to see it happening.

many republicans completely supported the war and called anybody that disagreed was unamerican or a terrorist sympathizer. Only after these bozos fell for Bush' bullshit lies and reelected him did they start to moan about the war. maybe they should of listened to opposition instead of being phony patriots that think we must support war at all cost.

Desperate times called for desperate measures, hence the stimulus. Many people would be bitching had all these companies went under and our financial system completely collapsed and unemployment went even higher. Signs show improvement in the economy and companies once struggling and about to go under are rebounding. how is that a bad thing? If these companies pay back what they got, and keep people employed, how is that a bad thing? You can agree its not going to work, but I rarely hear people give good, sound arguments as to how it won't work. Even if its just a stopgap to keep some people employed while the economy rebounds, how is that bad?

 

[VaYank5150]

Literally millions of Americans have had enough. They're organizing, they're studying the Constitution and the Federalist Papers, they're reading history and case law, they're showing up at rallies and meetings, and a slew of conservative candidates are throwing their hats into the ring. Is there a revolution brewing? Yes, in the sense that there is a keen awareness that our priorities and sensibilities must be radically re-structured. Will it be a violent revolution? No. It will be done through the interpretation of the original document that has guided us for 220 years - the Constitution. Just as the pendulum swung to embrace political correctness and liberalism, there will be a backlash, a complete repudiation of a hundred years of nonsense. A hundred years from now, history will perceive the year 2010 as the time when America got back on the right track. And for that, we can thank Barack Hussein Obama."

Yeah me too---

The ORIGINAL document....REALLY? Think people...

 

[Sekhmet]

You suffer from the very common misconception that being a centrist = indecision. That couldn't be farther from the truth.

Centrism comes from 2 principles, in my eyes.

1. Neither party is the one source for the perfect ideas or action plans. Both sides have good ideas sometimes.

2. Compromise isn't giving up - it's admitting when you're wrong and it's giving a bit to get a bit.

That doesn't stop anyone from making strong decisions. It doesn't mean that you can't have a set of guiding principles that you adhere to.

What it means is...it means you're not a partisan hack that swallows the party like of Republicans or Democrats without thinking first...and it means you're responsible enough to admit when the other guy has a good idea.

Any more questions, my young padawan?

There is only one side, the good side.
Sincerely, compromising your good ethics and principles away are not compromise, but the act of laying those principles down, and allowing the wrong part of an argument take hold. It takes no ethical determination to compromise. I am not talking about party. Parties are shit, they are both the tools of the more persuasive to enslave the idot class.

Get your head out of your ass and listen.

Compromise isn't giving up your principles. WAKE THE FUCK UP!!! You don't have to dig in your heels and stick to one side. Real life isn't like that!!! Both sides are made of human beings...human beings who have the same problems, make the same mistakes, who have errors in judgment.

Obviously you MUST be talking about parties...otherwise you and I would be agreeing right now instead of you being obtuse. Hate to tell you, there is no ONE, GOOD side.

Fab then go weigh in on my other thread i made, rip me to shreds there and have a ball. THen we will see where YOUR principles lie. I am woke the fuck up, right is right, wrong is wrong. Im not being obtuse, im holding a mirror up and you dont like what you see.

 

[Sherry]

It's absolute crap. Obama is no different than many other president we have had for decades. Now all of a sudden, people are pissed with government spending after being behind a money pissing down the drain war? Billions going to Iraq, but now they are outraged? Complete and utter horseshit. NOt a peep about spending under Bush, but suddenly its a bad thing. Not a peep about the constitution when they supported the Patriot act and many other blatant things Bush didn't that was unconstitutional. These people only know the constitution (cough cough 2nd amendment) when it suits their beliefs. This president spends money on americans to attempt to help a struggling economy, its suddenly horrible, socialism, and they are outraged.

Sorry, for many people, its purely racism and partisan politics as usual.

Not all, so don't come bitching about how it isn't about those, I never said everybody is like that.

Then you weren't listening. True, it wasn't the rallying cry that it is today, but there was noise being made. I don't get this line of defense anyway. At some point people have to wake up, and I'm glad to see it happening.

many republicans completely supported the war and called anybody that disagreed was unamerican or a terrorist sympathizer. Only after these bozos fell for Bush' bullshit lies and reelected him did they start to moan about the war. maybe they should of listened to opposition instead of being phony patriots that think we must support war at all cost.

Desperate times called for desperate measures, hence the stimulus. Many people would be bitching had all these companies went under and our financial system completely collapsed and unemployment went even higher. Signs show improvement in the economy and companies once struggling and about to go under are rebounding. how is that a bad thing? If these companies pay back what they got, and keep people employed, how is that a bad thing? You can agree its not going to work, but I rarely hear people give good, sound arguments as to how it won't work. Even if its just a stopgap to keep some people employed while the economy rebounds, how is that bad?

Your complaint seems to be that people are having a partisan reaction, but then so are you. I'm going to assume that you were against the amount of spending in the last administration. Instead of seeing this as an issue to unite on, you'd rather focus on that it took them too long to realize it, and you also seem to have now changed your mind on spending. Just as easily as you can accuse people for switching there views based on the occupant of the WH, the same could then be thrown back at you.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Obama's approval ratings this year had a low of 47% and a high of 51%. The most current poll shows 49% which isn't bad considering the country is in the middle of a recession he inherited from Bush. Reagan's approval ratings at this point in his presidency was 45%.

Presidential Approval Ratings -- Barack Obama

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 27% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -13

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports

BTW--this is today--just 6 hours ago.

Tomorrow--we'll be able to tell more on how November 2010 is shaping up.

Obama's approval rating is 46%.

Same as it has been for the last year or so.

45% somewhat approve, not what I would call a ringing endorsement

 

[Dr Gregg]

And millions of americans organized in protest to invading Iraq, and they were labeled unpatriotic, terrorist sympathizers, etc. Along with many around the war. And what good did that do? We invaded anyway, and probably to much of the people bitching today's satisfaction. Now that the tides have turned, they bitch and moan and want secession and revolution, and what they are doing they call patriotic. What a dishonest, hypocritical bunch of people.

 

[Dr Gregg]

Then you weren't listening. True, it wasn't the rallying cry that it is today, but there was noise being made. I don't get this line of defense anyway. At some point people have to wake up, and I'm glad to see it happening.

many republicans completely supported the war and called anybody that disagreed was unamerican or a terrorist sympathizer. Only after these bozos fell for Bush' bullshit lies and reelected him did they start to moan about the war. maybe they should of listened to opposition instead of being phony patriots that think we must support war at all cost.

Desperate times called for desperate measures, hence the stimulus. Many people would be bitching had all these companies went under and our financial system completely collapsed and unemployment went even higher. Signs show improvement in the economy and companies once struggling and about to go under are rebounding. how is that a bad thing? If these companies pay back what they got, and keep people employed, how is that a bad thing? You can agree its not going to work, but I rarely hear people give good, sound arguments as to how it won't work. Even if its just a stopgap to keep some people employed while the economy rebounds, how is that bad?

Your complaint seems to be that people are having a partisan reaction, but then so are you. I'm going to assume that you were against the amount of spending in the last administration. Instead of seeing this as an issue to unite on, you'd rather focus on that it took them too long to realize it, and you also seem to have now changed your mind on spending. Just as easily as you can accuse people for switching there views based on the occupant of the WH, the same could then be thrown back at you.

the war in Afghanistan, in support, against Iraq, not support. Against bailing out our financial institutes which would of likely crippled our economy even more, I was in support of.

 

[Sherry]

And millions of americans organized in protest to invading Iraq, and they were labeled unpatriotic, terrorist sympathizers, etc. Along with many around the war. And what good did that do? We invaded anyway, and probably to much of the people bitching today's satisfaction. Now that the tides have turned, they bitch and moan and want secession and revolution, and what they are doing they call patriotic. What a bunch of dishonest, hypocritical bunch of people.

There are hypocrites on both sides, but would you change what you did to protest the war just because it didn't stop it?? I hope that is not the lesson to be learned.

 

[saveliberty]

And millions of americans organized in protest to invading Iraq, and they were labeled unpatriotic, terrorist sympathizers, etc. Along with many around the war. And what good did that do? We invaded anyway, and probably to much of the people bitching today's satisfaction. Now that the tides have turned, they bitch and moan and want secession and revolution, and what they are doing they call patriotic. What a bunch of dishonest, hypocritical bunch of people.

Perhaps just a poor choice of sentence construction, but I was not aware of "MILLIONS of Americans organized in protest to invading Iraq". After the fact, yes. Prior, no.

 

[geauxtohell]

"Barack Obama has awakened a sleeping nation
GARY HUBBELL
ASPEN TIMES WEEKLY

Why does the concept of "OPED" give you guys so much trouble? I don't want any newspaper or magazine to officially adopt any political ideology. That's why OPED exists. Some of the smartest conservative commentary (I mean actually smart, not the bullshit bubblegum-pop you guys parade around as intelligent thought) is out of the New York Times.

As for this guy:

Gary Hubbell is a hunter, rancher, and former hunting and fly-fishing guide. Gary works as a Colorado ranch real estate broker. He can be reached through his website, aspenranchrealestate.com.

I kinda-sorta have the feeling that he hasn't jumped any ship. That is to say, I suspect that he's always been a conservative.

 

[geauxtohell]

"industrial military complex"

It's military-industrial complex and the phrase was coined by a Republican that would know a thing or two about it.

He also said this:

“Every gun that's made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms...is spending the genius of its scientists, the sweat of its laborers,”

That General/President Eisenhower was such a commie, hippie, pinko fag!

 

[LibocalypseNow]

I don't think most understood what a Saul Alinsky-trained "Community Organizer" meant. Most didn't really understand what a "Community Organizer" activist was. I think many are now beginning to understand that all "Community Organizers" are basically Marxist indoctrinated agitators. This is good news. I'm glad to see so many getting involved. You can take your country back. It will be difficult but it can happen. Make 2010 count people.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports

BTW--this is today--just 6 hours ago.

Tomorrow--we'll be able to tell more on how November 2010 is shaping up.

Obama's approval rating is 46%.

Same as it has been for the last year or so.

45% somewhat approve, not what I would call a ringing endorsement

And 53% somewhat disapprove. What's your point?

Despite what Scott Rasmussen says, the imaginary "Presidential Approval Index" that he made up really means nothing at all.

But if it makes you feel better, believe what you like.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I don't think most understood what a Saul Alinsky-trained "Community Organizer" meant. Most didn't really understand what a "Community Organizer" activist was. I think many are now beginning to understand that all "Community Organizers" are basically Marxist indoctrinated agitators. This is good news. I'm glad to see so many getting involved. You can take your country back. It will be difficult but it can happen. Make 2010 count people.

No, actually I think most people know what a "community organizer" is.

You know that the tea party protests were put together by "community organizers", right?

 

[Sinatra]

More and more are now openly challenging the fiscal insanity of this Democrat controlled administration and Congress.

Tonight we shall see further proof of the conservative landslide in the making. From Blue States to Red States and all points between, Americans are in fact at long last taking a moment to realize just what is going on, and are fed up.

 

[momonkey]

"Barack Obama has awakened a sleeping nation
GARY HUBBELL
ASPEN TIMES WEEKLY

Barack Obama is the best thing that has happened to America in the last 100 years. Truly, he is the savior of America 's future. He is the best thing ever.

Despite the fact that he has some of the lowest approval ratings among recent presidents, history will see Barack Obama as the source of America 's resurrection. Barack Obama has plunged the country into levels of debt that we could not have previously imagined; his efforts to nationalize health care have been met with fierce resistance nationwide; TARP bailouts and stimulus spending have shown little positive effect on the national economy; unemployment is unacceptably high and looks to remain that way for most of a decade; legacy entitlement programs have ballooned to unsustainable levels, and there is a seething anger in the populace.

That's why Barack Obama is such a good thing for America .

Obama is the symbol of a creeping liberalism that has infected our society like a cancer for the last 100 years. Just as Hitler is the face of fascism, Obama will go down in history as the face of unchecked liberalism. The cancer metastasized to the point where it could no longer be ignored.

Average Americans who have quietly gone about their lives, earning a paycheck, contributing to their favorite charities, going to high school football games on Friday night, spending their weekends at the beach or on hunting trips - they've gotten off the fence. They've woken up. There is a level of political activism in this country that we haven't seen since the American Revolution, and Barack Obama has been the catalyst that has sparked a restructuring of the American political and social consciousness.

Think of the crap we've slowly learned to tolerate over the past 50 years as liberalism sought to re-structure the America that was the symbol of freedom and liberty to all the people of the world.

Immigration laws were ignored on the basis of compassion. Welfare policies encouraged irresponsibility, the fracturing of families, and a cycle of generations of dependency. Debt was regarded as a tonic to lubricate the economy. Our children left school having been taught that they are exceptional and special, while great numbers of them cannot perform basic functions of mathematics and literacy. Legislators decided that people could not be trusted to defend their own homes, and stripped citizens of their rights to own firearms. Productive members of society have been penalized with a heavy burden of taxes in order to support legions of do-nothings who loll around, reveling in their addictions, obesity, indolence, ignorance and "disabilities." Criminals have been arrested and re-arrested, coddled and set free to pillage the citizenry yet again. Lawyers routinely extort fortunes from doctors, contractors and business people with dubious torts.

We slowly learned to tolerate these outrages, shaking our heads in disbelief, and we went on with our lives.

But Barack Obama has ripped the lid off a seething cauldron of dissatisfaction and unrest.

In the time of Barack Obama, Black Panther members stand outside polling places in black commando uniforms, slapping truncheons into their palms. ACORN - a taxpayer-supported organization - is given a role in taking the census, even after its members were caught on tape offering advice to set up child prostitution rings. A former Communist is given a paid government position in the White House as an advisor to the president. Auto companies are taken over by the government, and the auto workers' union - whose contracts are completely insupportable in any economic sense - is rewarded with a stake in the company. Government bails out Wall Street investment bankers and insurance companies, who pay their executives outrageous bonuses as thanks for the public support. Terrorists are read their Miranda rights and given free lawyers. And, despite overwhelming public disapproval, Barack Obama has pushed forward with a health care plan that would
re-structure one-sixth of the American economy.

I don't know about you, but the other day I was at the courthouse doing some business, and I stepped into the court clerk's office and changed my voter affiliation from "Independent" to "Republican." I am under no illusion that the Republican party is perfect, but at least they're starting to awaken to the fact that we cannot sustain massive levels of debt; we cannot afford to hand out billions of dollars in corporate subsidies; we have to somehow trim our massive entitlement programs; we can no longer be the world's policeman and dole out billions in aid to countries whose citizens seek to harm us.

Literally millions of Americans have had enough. They're organizing, they're studying the Constitution and the Federalist Papers, they're reading history and case law, they're showing up at rallies and meetings, and a slew of conservative candidates are throwing their hats into the ring. Is there a revolution brewing? Yes, in the sense that there is a keen awareness that our priorities and sensibilities must be radically re-structured. Will it be a violent revolution? No. It will be done through the interpretation of the original document that has guided us for 220 years - the Constitution. Just as the pendulum swung to embrace political correctness and liberalism, there will be a backlash, a complete repudiation of a hundred years of nonsense. A hundred years from now, history will perceive the year 2010 as the time when America got back on the right track. And for that, we can thank Barack Hussein Obama."

Gary Hubbell: The Redneck tree hugger | AspenTimes.com

This coming from a normally very liberal magazine.

Obama's approval ratings this year had a low of 47% and a high of 51%. The most current poll shows 49% which isn't bad considering the country is in the middle of a recession he inherited from Bush. Reagan's approval ratings at this point in his presidency was 45%.

Presidential Approval Ratings -- Barack Obama

Reagan didn't use pretend crises as an excuse to nationalize industries and turn the Constitution on its head. He applied sound economics to rein in inflation, interest rates and restore private sector employment. The weak dollar policy of Carter only delayed unemployment and did so at a huge price in terms of double digit inflation and interest rates. The stagnation that resulted from the inflation was the source of what became known as "stagflation" or, more simply, Carternomics. After four years of Reaganomics, the US dollar was at its all-time high, interest and inflation rates were declining and America was going back to work. I hardly think a few government jobs that cost more than $100K each while the private sector flounders will be seen as a real solution to our long-term economic problems. Look for BO to get a strong primary challenge. You heard it here first.