lets see how the gun control dems handle this

[2aguy]

Nothing in your post would stop mass shooters or criminals or straw buyers from getting guns......

You are a fucking liar punk.
By you own words, criminals are buying guns in a gun store. They, by you own words are mostly under 30. If you can't buy a gun because you are under 30, guess fucking what you damned idiot. They won't have that gun.


Is the best idea you have to reduce needless gun violence to buy more guns? Fuck you.

Twit....gang thugs are already breaking your 30 rule.....

you do realize that 15 year old gang thug killers can't legally buy, own or carry guns ....right?

America Should Be Prosecuting Straw Purchasers, Not Gun Dealers, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

I visited Chicago a few years back to write about the city’s gang-driven murder problem, and a retired police official told me that the nature of the people making straw purchases — young relatives, girlfriends who may or may not have been facing the threat of physical violence, grandmothers, etc. — made prosecuting those cases unattractive. In most of those cases, the authorities emphatically should put the straw purchasers in prison for as long as possible. Throw a few gangsters’ grandmothers behind bars for 20 years and see if that gets anybody’s attention. In the case of the young women suborned into breaking the law, that should be just another charge to put on the main offender.

Read more at: America Should Be Prosecuting Straw Purchasers, Not Gun Dealers, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

 

[2aguy]

And here is an expert on gun fights and magazine limits......

Massad Ayoob: Gunfighting Fact vs. Fiction



Even severe wounds may not seriously disable a committed combatant. I have had the privilege of meeting many hero cops who have survived hellacious gunfight injuries and gone on to prevail. One is Stacy Lim of the LAPD. She was shot in the heart with a .357 Mag revolver at the opening of her encounter. She returned fire with her Beretta 9mm, killing her antagonist with four solid hits out of the four she fired.

She recovered to return to full duty, and today is one of the nation’s most respected police firearms instructors. Another is Officer Jared Reston of Jacksonville, Florida. He was shot in the face at point-blank range by a gunman armed with a .45 ACP who then fired six more bullets into Reston when he fell. Jared returned fire from the ground with his Glock .40. He killed the assailant and recovered to return to patrol and SWAT duty.

These were the good guys and gals. But the bad guys can be just as resilient, and we would all do well to remember that it took Stacy four dead-on hits to drop her opponent, and Jared had to shoot his would-be murderer seven times before the guy stopped trying to kill him.

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It happens to armed citizens, too. I’ve lost count of the shootings I’ve reviewed over the years where the good guys ran out of ammunition. Rich Davis fired all of the six shots he had and hit all three of the armed robbers he faced while delivering pizzas, but one of them was still up and running and able to shoot and wound him twice. That night in the emergency room, it occurred to him that there had to be something better than one’s own body to stop bullets with, and he was inspired to invent the soft body armor that has since saved thousands of lives.

I spoke at two trials, one criminal and one civil, for an attorney who had to shoot a man who pulled a gun on him in his law office. His nine-shot 9mm was at slide-lock, having delivered nine solid hits, before his opponent slumped and died. He survived both the gunfight and the trials, but it had been terribly close because he had no more ammunition at all when the gun duel ended.

There are other reasons to carry spare ammunition. With a semi-automatic pistol, as many firearms instructors will tell you, a cardinal cause of malfunctions is a magazine problem. Often, this can only be rectified by ripping the bad magazine out of the gun and replacing it with a fresh one. This naturally requires a fresh magazine to be right there on your person.

 

[2aguy]

And more actual research on background checks failing....

Gun Control Measures Don't Stop Violence

In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books and 43 government publications evaluating 80 gun-control measures. Researchers could not identify a single regulation that reduced violent crime, suicide or accidents. A year earlier, the Centers for Disease Control reported on ammunition bans, restrictions on acquisition, waiting periods, registration, licensing, child access prevention and zero tolerance laws. CDC’s conclusion: There was no conclusive evidence that the laws reduced gun violence.

but...I thought the CDC wasn't doing gun research.....

 

[rightwinger]

Wherever

You should prove you are trained before you can buy a gun

Would a CHL and 20+ years active military qualify?

Works for me

Now how bout we require it for that strange kid who lives down the street and talks to himself all the time?

How bout we go back to teaching "gun" safety in schools instead of banning the word?

If some redneck school district wants to teach gun safety, I have no problem with it

Regardless of where it is taught, it should be required before getting a hunting license or purchasing a firearm

How many Islamic Terrorist Attacks would that have prevented? Boston? San Bernardino? Orlando?

It would prevent a lot of four year olds getting access to mommy or daddy's gun

 

[Rustic]

Most of the mass shootings done lately have been done by progressive fuck ups… That's what happens when you have far too much socialism in your government.

Fuck you asshole. Most of the mass shootings are committed by young men under 30 who bought their weapons at a gun store.

Stupid fuck, you gun nutters should know this shit. But you gun nutters are pretty fucking stupid.......so WTF.

Na, not really.
Most of these mass shooters happen to be progressive/Muslim fuck ups with politics of the anti-gun nutter side of things. Like I said socialism is a cancer, and our government has far too much of it...

 

[Rustic]

What is the demographic of mass shooters?
Of straw buyers?
Of gang bangers?
Of domestic violence perpetrators?
Of parents of young kids who find a gun?

Young men under 30 make up the vast majority of those buyers and users/abusers of guns.

Making it not possible for them to easily buy weapons is something that gun nutters can't imagine. That would make too much sense.

Fucking gun nutters can't imagine anything that would reduce needless gun violence and deaths.

Pitiful fucks.

Nonsense

 

[Rustic]

Would a CHL and 20+ years active military qualify?

Works for me

Now how bout we require it for that strange kid who lives down the street and talks to himself all the time?

How bout we go back to teaching "gun" safety in schools instead of banning the word?

If some redneck school district wants to teach gun safety, I have no problem with it

Regardless of where it is taught, it should be required before getting a hunting license or purchasing a firearm

How many Islamic Terrorist Attacks would that have prevented? Boston? San Bernardino? Orlando?

It would prevent a lot of four year olds getting access to mommy or daddy's gun

How is that?
I don't think so

 

[Rustic]

Nothing in your post would stop mass shooters or criminals or straw buyers from getting guns......

You are a fucking liar punk.
By you own words, criminals are buying guns in a gun store. They, by you own words are mostly under 30. If you can't buy a gun because you are under 30, guess fucking what you damned idiot. They won't have that gun.


Is the best idea you have to reduce needless gun violence to buy more guns? Fuck you.

Gun violence is a non-issue in this country, we have much bigger fish to fry… Dumbass
2016 Real Time Death Statistics in America

 

[LeftofLeft]

Moronic thread premise.

‘Dems’ have no problem with citizens taking a gun training course, gay Americans in particular, given their likelihood of becoming victims of hateful rightwing bigots.

And firearm regulatory measures are more than just the regulation of actual firearms.

Rightwing bigots? Kind of a broad brush on your part. Be more granular. Orlando was committed by a Muslim Democrat.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Nothing in your post would stop mass shooters or criminals or straw buyers from getting guns......

You are a fucking liar punk.
By you own words, criminals are buying guns in a gun store. They, by you own words are mostly under 30. If you can't buy a gun because you are under 30, guess fucking what you damned idiot. They won't have that gun.


Is the best idea you have to reduce needless gun violence to buy more guns? Fuck you.

Asswipe......criminals will just get straw buyers who are 30......did you fall on your head moron...because you post like you did......they get their grandmothers to buy their guns for them.....moron....

2aguy- I like your post and agree with them, but please refrain from calling posters like Wilbur "moron". It is insulting to those of us who self-identify as morons to be associated with the likes of that guy. Assswipe, douchbag, brain dead retard, or drooling imbecile should be used instead.

 

[jon_berzerk]

LGBT turnout for free course surprises local shooting range

I enjoy this kind of political cross pressure.

I wish more straights would take gun training courses

it should be taught in the schools

Wherever

You should prove you are trained before you can buy a gun

it should be taught in the public schools

each and every child that attends a public school should

receive firearms training

Or else we could only teach those who are interested in owning guns

nope children all the time have to

sit through certain subjects they are not interested in

so all children school age

that pass through a public or private education

need to have safe firearm instruction

since you want to attach such controls on the 2nd amendment

this is the only remedy

 

[jon_berzerk]

Would a CHL and 20+ years active military qualify?

Works for me

Now how bout we require it for that strange kid who lives down the street and talks to himself all the time?

How bout we go back to teaching "gun" safety in schools instead of banning the word?

If some redneck school district wants to teach gun safety, I have no problem with it

Regardless of where it is taught, it should be required before getting a hunting license or purchasing a firearm

no not redneck for whatever that means loser

ALL schools if you want to attach something like that to a constitutional right

then it needs to be taught to all children

Two thirds of American families have no interest in owning guns

But if rednecks want their schools to offer training, I have no problem

that is a made up number

besides children dont get to pick and choose

what they are taught you dummy

 

[jon_berzerk]

Wherever

You should prove you are trained before you can buy a gun

Would a CHL and 20+ years active military qualify?

Works for me

Now how bout we require it for that strange kid who lives down the street and talks to himself all the time?

How bout we go back to teaching "gun" safety in schools instead of banning the word?

If some redneck school district wants to teach gun safety, I have no problem with it

Regardless of where it is taught, it should be required before getting a hunting license or purchasing a firearm

How many Islamic Terrorist Attacks would that have prevented? Boston? San Bernardino? Orlando?

it is more basic then that

you see anti freedom types like rightwinger

want to attach firearms safety training to having the right to own a firearm

so the only real solution is to have ALL CHILDREN go through

firearm safety classes through the public education system

why is it anti freedom folks bulk at such an idea

when they claim safety not gun control is the issue at hand

 

[jon_berzerk]

There are millions upon millions of ARs in this country... And a handful of them are used in crimes percentage wise - like a tiny percentage of a percentage of a percentage...
The thinking of gun control as a necessarily need is delusional at best. There are much bigger fish to fry
2016 Real Time Death Statistics in America

It's not about doing away with guns dumbass. It's about trying to keep them out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them, and reducing the number of shots that can be fired before stopping to reload. Of course, like I said before, you think laws are useless, so you are just fine with how many people can be killed in a very short time.

Reloading takes milliseconds with just a little practice you stupid dolt.
Anything the anti-gun nutters come up with is going to be frivolous at best…

the shooter who killed one student and injured several others at Seattle Pacific University was pepper sprayed and held down when he stopped to reload his gun. In the Tuscon, Ariz. shooting, Jared Loughner killed six and injured 13 others using a handgun with a 31-round clip. But he was ultimately stopped when he went to change magazines. And during the Sandy Hook Massacre, several kids reportedly escaped while shooter Adam Lanza was reloading his gun.

so loughner had a 31 round clip did he

I wish more straights would take gun training courses

it should be taught in the schools

Wherever

You should prove you are trained before you can buy a gun

it should be taught in the public schools

each and every child that attends a public school should

receive firearms training

Or else we could only teach those who are interested in owning guns

Forgot about the Constitution...AGAIN, didn't you?

it seems to get in the way of the anti freedom folks quite regularly

 

[rightwinger]

I wish more straights would take gun training courses

it should be taught in the schools

Wherever

You should prove you are trained before you can buy a gun

it should be taught in the public schools

each and every child that attends a public school should

receive firearms training

Or else we could only teach those who are interested in owning guns

Many states require some sort of training class

Every state should

 

[jon_berzerk]

it should be taught in the schools

Wherever

You should prove you are trained before you can buy a gun

it should be taught in the public schools

each and every child that attends a public school should

receive firearms training

Or else we could only teach those who are interested in owning guns

Many states require some sort of training class

Every state should

exactly and it should be taught in the public school system

 

[BULLDOG]

It's not about doing away with guns dumbass. It's about trying to keep them out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them, and reducing the number of shots that can be fired before stopping to reload. Of course, like I said before, you think laws are useless, so you are just fine with how many people can be killed in a very short time.

What you ignore is people have very legitimate uses for those weapons with high capacity magazines. I don't have one right now, but I'm seriously considering buying one next week with a night vision scope. Wild hogs are devastating my property. Imagine trying run a lawn mower though a plowed field, that's what you get with hogs.

You don't need that many shots before reloading for hogs.My 870 has a three round plug, and I do just fine.

Your opinion of what I NEED is irrelevant, immaterial and unimportant.

Another idiot planning on a war with the government. That's crazy.

I simply state the facts. Something which offends you.

Right. The fact that there are some who have so little faith in our country till they actually think there will be a civil war with fantasys of being Jim Bowie against the most powerful military force that ever existed does offend me.

 

[BULLDOG]

No Thugs are thugs. An individual has no obligation to find out or even care if the person they are selling to is a thug. Without that obligation, lots of innocent people will sell guns to more thugs. As you know, they don't care about the law, but I suggest those innocent people would follow the law forcing the thug to find another source.

How many, give me a number with a link.

How the hell should I know? If an under aged kid wants alcohol bad enough, he will get some, but we still check his ID before he can buy. If he had a source that could legally sell him alcohol without any obligation to check his Id, a lot more kids would be getting drunk. Any individual legally selling guns without a background check makes it a lot easier for someone who shouldn't have a gun to get one.

Oh OK, you want to pass a law with no idea how it could be enforced, and that makes sense to you?

How and why would it be enforced any differently than any other law?

OK, a gun changes hands, no background check, both say it was done before the law, how do you prove it didn't?

Are you assuming that the vast majority of law abiding citizens will not follow the law?

 

[BULLDOG]

That's your problem. You act like making it harder for one person to kill so many in such a short time is not worth while. You're an idiot.

There are millions upon millions of ARs in this country... And a handful of them are used in crimes percentage wise - like a tiny percentage of a percentage of a percentage...
The thinking of gun control as a necessarily need is delusional at best. There are much bigger fish to fry
2016 Real Time Death Statistics in America

It's not about doing away with guns dumbass. It's about trying to keep them out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them, and reducing the number of shots that can be fired before stopping to reload. Of course, like I said before, you think laws are useless, so you are just fine with how many people can be killed in a very short time.

What you ignore is people have very legitimate uses for those weapons with high capacity magazines. I don't have one right now, but I'm seriously considering buying one next week with a night vision scope. Wild hogs are devastating my property. Imagine trying run a lawn mower though a plowed field, that's what you get with hogs.

You don't need that many shots before reloading for hogs.My 870 has a three round plug, and I do just fine.

No...but in the middle of the night, if 3 thugs break into your house and you get hit first...and because you are injured your small motor skills are trashed......15 rounds in your pistol means you don't have to try to reload the magazine....you have a better chance of survival....

And if you are a rancher on an isolated ranch on the border....and you run into drug cartel smugglers...and they start to shoot at you...and the cops are an hour away...you have 30 round magazines to help you survive and escape.....

But you keep telling your self that magazine limits are anything but a way to ban guns......

You watch too much TV.

 

[rightwinger]

I wish more straights would take gun training courses

it should be taught in the schools

Wherever

You should prove you are trained before you can buy a gun

it should be taught in the public schools

each and every child that attends a public school should

receive firearms training

Or else we could only teach those who are interested in owning guns

nope children all the time have to

sit through certain subjects they are not interested in

so all children school age

that pass through a public or private education

need to have safe firearm instruction

since you want to attach such controls on the 2nd amendment

this is the only remedy

If you insist...

They can also teach them how to report someone with a gun, how to survive a massacre, how not to play with guns