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Sorry. Corrected.
Let's say Hansen is right???? What do we do?
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We like to believe we are advanced, and educated, but if you look back into the dim recesses of history, you will see the same flim flam being perpetrated on the uneducated masses of the day. Pharoahs toed the line thatthe priests of ra, and atum etc. demanded in order to make the seasons change and the rivers flood. The Mayan and Aztec rulers toed the line for the priests of Huitzilopochtli, and Chac. The kings of the north heeded the demands and warnings of the druid priests of Abarta, Eadon, etc. And the more recent kings and queens have bent their knee to the priests of christianity. Shamans, diviners, priests, and mystics of all sorts have plied their trade first convincing the elites then demanding sacrifice from all. In the old days that sacrifice was blood. Today we are expected to sacrifiice the sweat of our brows and our freedom in the name of gaia, the great and powerful.....and vengeful.
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All flap yap and stupidity.
You are posting on the product of the scientists of today, yet you want to call them names and denigrate them when their findings are in opposition to what your poltitics tell you reality should be. When the Scientific Societies of the world begin to change their minds about what we see going on, then I might consider the possibility that the laws of physics work differantly than has been accepted for over a century and a half.
As is, the people that most observe the changing climate, the geologists and geo-physicists are adamant in there judgement that we are in a lot of trouble.AGU Position Statement: Human Impacts on Climate
Human Impacts on Climate
Adopted by Council December 2003
Revised and Reaffirmed December 2007
The Earth's climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate system—including the temperatures of the atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the sea level, the distribution of precipitation, and the length of seasons—are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century. Global average surface temperatures increased on average by about 0.6°C over the period 1956–2006. As of 2006, eleven of the previous twelve years were warmer than any others since 1850. The observed rapid retreat of Arctic sea ice is expected to continue and lead to the disappearance of summertime ice within this century. Evidence from most oceans and all continents except Antarctica shows warming attributable to human activities. Recent changes in many physical and biological systems are linked with this regional climate change. A sustained research effort, involving many AGU members and summarized in the 2007 assessments of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, continues to improve our scientific understanding of the climate.
During recent millennia of relatively stable climate, civilization became established and populations have grown rapidly. In the next 50 years, even the lower limit of impending climate change—an additional global mean warming of 1°C above the last decade—is far beyond the range of climate variability experienced during the past thousand years and poses global problems in planning for and adapting to it. Warming greater than 2°C above 19th century levels is projected to be disruptive, reducing global agricultural productivity, causing widespread loss of biodiversity, and—if sustained over centuries—melting much of the Greenland ice sheet with ensuing rise in sea level of several meters. If this 2°C warming is to be avoided, then our net annual emissions of CO2 must be reduced by more than 50 percent within this century. With such projections, there are many sources of scientific uncertainty, but none are known that could make the impact of climate change inconsequential. Given the uncertainty in climate projections, there can be surprises that may cause more dramatic disruptions than anticipated from the most probable model projections.
With climate change, as with ozone depletion, the human footprint on Earth is apparent. The cause of disruptive climate change, unlike ozone depletion, is tied to energy use and runs through modern society. Solutions will necessarily involve all aspects of society. Mitigation strategies and adaptation responses will call for collaborations across science, technology, industry, and government. Members of the AGU, as part of the scientific community, collectively have special responsibilities: to pursue research needed to understand it; to educate the public on the causes, risks, and hazards; and to communicate clearly and objectively with those who can implement policies to shape future climate.
There is not a single country in world whose Academy of Sciences does not state that AGW is a fact, and a clear and present danger. Not even that of Saudi Arabia.
You are posting on the product of the scientists of today, yet you want to call them names and denigrate them when their findings are in opposition to what your poltitics tell you reality should be. When the Scientific Societies of the world begin to change their minds about what we see going on, then I might consider the possibility that the laws of physics work differantly than has been accepted for over a century and a half.
As is, the people that most observe the changing climate, the geologists and geo-physicists are adamant in there judgement that we are in a lot of trouble.AGU Position Statement: Human Impacts on Climate
Human Impacts on Climate
Adopted by Council December 2003
Revised and Reaffirmed December 2007
The Earth's climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate system—including the temperatures of the atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the sea level, the distribution of precipitation, and the length of seasons—are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century. Global average surface temperatures increased on average by about 0.6°C over the period 1956–2006. As of 2006, eleven of the previous twelve years were warmer than any others since 1850. The observed rapid retreat of Arctic sea ice is expected to continue and lead to the disappearance of summertime ice within this century. Evidence from most oceans and all continents except Antarctica shows warming attributable to human activities. Recent changes in many physical and biological systems are linked with this regional climate change. A sustained research effort, involving many AGU members and summarized in the 2007 assessments of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, continues to improve our scientific understanding of the climate.
During recent millennia of relatively stable climate, civilization became established and populations have grown rapidly. In the next 50 years, even the lower limit of impending climate change—an additional global mean warming of 1°C above the last decade—is far beyond the range of climate variability experienced during the past thousand years and poses global problems in planning for and adapting to it. Warming greater than 2°C above 19th century levels is projected to be disruptive, reducing global agricultural productivity, causing widespread loss of biodiversity, and—if sustained over centuries—melting much of the Greenland ice sheet with ensuing rise in sea level of several meters. If this 2°C warming is to be avoided, then our net annual emissions of CO2 must be reduced by more than 50 percent within this century. With such projections, there are many sources of scientific uncertainty, but none are known that could make the impact of climate change inconsequential. Given the uncertainty in climate projections, there can be surprises that may cause more dramatic disruptions than anticipated from the most probable model projections.
With climate change, as with ozone depletion, the human footprint on Earth is apparent. The cause of disruptive climate change, unlike ozone depletion, is tied to energy use and runs through modern society. Solutions will necessarily involve all aspects of society. Mitigation strategies and adaptation responses will call for collaborations across science, technology, industry, and government. Members of the AGU, as part of the scientific community, collectively have special responsibilities: to pursue research needed to understand it; to educate the public on the causes, risks, and hazards; and to communicate clearly and objectively with those who can implement policies to shape future climate.
There is not a single country in world whose Academy of Sciences does not state that AGW is a fact, and a clear and present danger. Not even that of Saudi Arabia.
SSDD
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That pretty much describes the current state of climate science and you still believe.
The fact that you believe their predictions and findings reflect anything on the reality of observation is a statement of how far your belief system has obscured reality to you.
As to the acadamies....don't you know that the membership doesn't get a vote on the position statement of the policial head? The head is about money, the body is about science and some of the top names in science have left those associations because the heads have abandoned science in favor of politics.
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