Let's indict Obama and Hillary

[rightwinger]

The cases against Trump will vanish at trial. As did the impeachment convictions.

Even Trump doesn’t believe that

 

[AveMarica]

The jury will not convict in any of the cases.

I believe he'll get convicted on some of the charges in every case. Granted that is just going from an amateur interpretation based on what evidence has been published/leaked, obviously I have no idea.

However I will predict that every Trumper in this forum confidently saying he will be exonerated on all 91 counts will immediately change their tune to crooked jury/judge/prosecutor instead of accepted that they were wrong and a jury found him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[Robert W]

Even Trump doesn’t believe that

Really? How many times has Trump pled guilty?

 

[Robert W]

I believe he'll get convicted on some of the charges in every case. Granted that is just going from an amateur interpretation based on what evidence has been published/leaked, obviously I have no idea.

However I will predict that every Trumper in this forum confidently saying he will be exonerated on all 91 counts will immediately change their tune to crooked jury/judge/prosecutor instead of accepted that they were wrong and a jury found him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

How many innocent humans were executed by those juries you approve of?

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[konradv]

Townhall Larry O'Connor | Aug 14, 2020

Today's news that former FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith is expected to plead guilty in the Obamagate/Spygate scandal will be tough news for journalists like Jim Acosta.

Just this week, he haughtily intoned on his "network" that President Trump's charge that the Obama campaign spied on his campaign in 2016 was "just not true. That did not happen; it has not been proven."

Well, today's guilty plea from Clinesmith proves it did.

The spying began in early 2016 as a robust opposition research tactic of the Hillary Clinton campaign and transformed into an "insurance policy" to handicap the Trump Administration after his unpredictable victory.

Clinesmith was so intent on spying on Carter Page, an unpaid advisor to the Trump campaign, that he lied to the secret FISA court and doctored an official document to misrepresent that Page had not cooperated with the CIA in past investigations involving Russian espionage.

Page, a retired intelligence officer from the United States Navy and a graduate of the US Naval Academy, had fully cooperated with an earlier investigation involving Russian bad guys. That information surely would have thrown a wrench into the attempts to tap Page's phones, his emails, his text messages, and the phones, emails, and text messages of everyone he corresponded with and everyone they corresponded with.

Now There's No Denying It: Obama's FBI Spied On Trump... Period

If you are conducting surveillance that is not authorized and, in fact, you lied to get the authorization, you are no longer conducting

townhall.com

Comment:
If Trump can be indicted on BS charges, then Obama can be indicted on some real charges.
If this is how the Democrats are going to operate, then make them play by their own rules.
Can you imagine all of the grinding of teeth and caterwauling from the Hollywood/Media hate machine.
And how about Hillary Clinton destroying subpoenaed evidence and her illegal e-mail server?
Why should she be allowed to get away with crimes that other people have gone to prison for?
And how about Col. Yevgeny Vindman who eavesdropped on Trump's phone calls and then reported to Adam Schiff so that Pelosi could have her bogus impeachment.
Make the Dems play by their own rules.

Wrong forum!

 

[AveMarica]

How many innocent humans were executed by those juries you approve of?

Zero. These will be new juries convened before the trial dates.

Innocence Project clients collectively spent more than 3,700 years wrongfully incarcerated. (Images: Ian Schweitzer by Marco Garcia for AP Images/Innocence Project; Renay Lynch by Jeenah Moon/Innocence Project; Termaine Hicks by Jason E. Miczek for AP Images/Innocence Project; John Galvan by Ray Abercrombie/Innocence Project; Robert DuBoise by Casey Brooke Lawson/Innocence Project)

So I take it you've decided that if the juries declare Trump not guilty they are fair, and if they find him guilty they are not. Right?

 

[Robert W]

Zero. These will be new juries convened before the trial dates.

So I take it you've decided that if the juries declare Trump not guilty they are fair, and if they find him guilty they are not. Right?

I do not believe the charges are correct in any fashion.

 

[Robert W]

Zero. These will be new juries convened before the trial dates.

So I take it you've decided that if the juries declare Trump not guilty they are fair, and if they find him guilty they are not. Right?

Isn't your view they will find him guilty? Even ahead of his defense?

 

[lennypartiv]

Obama didn’t illegally spy on Trump.

---Obama Spied on Trump Illegally---

Breaking: More Evidence Uncovered Shows Obama Spied on Trump Illegally as Early as 2015 | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Guest post by Joe Hoft More evidence uncovered that shows that Obama team illegally spied on the Trump team as early as 2015.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[Marener]

---Obama Spied on Trump Illegally---

Breaking: More Evidence Uncovered Shows Obama Spied on Trump Illegally as Early as 2015 | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Guest post by Joe Hoft More evidence uncovered that shows that Obama team illegally spied on the Trump team as early as 2015.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Obama didn’t do anything. Joe Hoft’s article doesn’t say he did either.

 

[AveMarica]

Isn't your view they will find him guilty? Even ahead of his defense?

My view is that a jury of his peers will see evidence and declare him guilty or not guilty.

I have no preconception that if the jury doesn't rule in the manner I hoped they must be tainted, or the judge corrupt, or whatever assumption about the legal system not being fair if and only if I don't get a verdict that I want.

 

[AveMarica]

I do not believe the charges are correct in any fashion.

Well that is absolutely ground breaking, your political hero faces charges and by sheer coincidence you don't believe the charges are correct.

A grand jury who saw far more evidence than you or I have decided otherwise, I'll go with what they say and let a jury judge him in trial.

 

[Robert W]

Well that is absolutely ground breaking, your political hero faces charges and by sheer coincidence you don't believe the charges are correct.

A grand jury who saw far more evidence than you or I have decided otherwise, I'll go with what they say and let a jury judge him in trial.

That is why they have the jury who presumes him innocent. Charges jailed and executed blacks who are alleged to have been innocent. But you approve. Imagine that.

 

[Robert W]

My view is that a jury of his peers will see evidence and declare him guilty or not guilty.

I have no preconception that if the jury doesn't rule in the manner I hoped they must be tainted, or the judge corrupt, or whatever assumption about the legal system not being fair if and only if I don't get a verdict that I want.

Kool, then when Trump is not found guilty, you will be happy with the outcome.

 

[Robert W]

Obama didn’t do anything. Joe Hoft’s article doesn’t say he did either.

Obama caused to be published after Trump was elected, but not then sworn in, the fake Democrat dossier alleging Trump and the Russians worked as a team to get Trump elected. This was a huge lie.

 

[Wry-Catcher]

Townhall Larry O'Connor | Aug 14, 2020

Today's news that former FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith is expected to plead guilty in the Obamagate/Spygate scandal will be tough news for journalists like Jim Acosta.

Just this week, he haughtily intoned on his "network" that President Trump's charge that the Obama campaign spied on his campaign in 2016 was "just not true. That did not happen; it has not been proven."

Well, today's guilty plea from Clinesmith proves it did.

The spying began in early 2016 as a robust opposition research tactic of the Hillary Clinton campaign and transformed into an "insurance policy" to handicap the Trump Administration after his unpredictable victory.

Clinesmith was so intent on spying on Carter Page, an unpaid advisor to the Trump campaign, that he lied to the secret FISA court and doctored an official document to misrepresent that Page had not cooperated with the CIA in past investigations involving Russian espionage.

Page, a retired intelligence officer from the United States Navy and a graduate of the US Naval Academy, had fully cooperated with an earlier investigation involving Russian bad guys. That information surely would have thrown a wrench into the attempts to tap Page's phones, his emails, his text messages, and the phones, emails, and text messages of everyone he corresponded with and everyone they corresponded with.

Now There's No Denying It: Obama's FBI Spied On Trump... Period

If you are conducting surveillance that is not authorized and, in fact, you lied to get the authorization, you are no longer conducting

townhall.com

Comment:
If Trump can be indicted on BS charges, then Obama can be indicted on some real charges.
If this is how the Democrats are going to operate, then make them play by their own rules.
Can you imagine all of the grinding of teeth and caterwauling from the Hollywood/Media hate machine.
And how about Hillary Clinton destroying subpoenaed evidence and her illegal e-mail server?
Why should she be allowed to get away with crimes that other people have gone to prison for?
And how about Col. Yevgeny Vindman who eavesdropped on Trump's phone calls and then reported to Adam Schiff so that Pelosi could have her bogus impeachment.
Make the Dems play by their own rules.

Both you and your thread are worthless.

 

[Marener]

Obama caused to be published after Trump was elected, but not then sworn in, the fake Democrat dossier alleging Trump and the Russians worked as a team to get Trump elected. This was a huge lie.

He didn’t and even if he did, not illegal.

 

[Wry-Catcher]

Obama caused to be published after Trump was elected, but not then sworn in, the fake Democrat dossier alleging Trump and the Russians worked as a team to get Trump elected. This was a huge lie.

Huh?

 

[Robert W]

He didn’t and even if he did, not illegal.

No, it was not illegal but Obama as president approved the false claims that Russia and Trump fixed the election results.
There is no way the report released by Democrats on Jan 6 of 2017 that published the false claims it was Russia working with Trump to elect Trump, unless Obama as president approved.

 

[Marener]

No, it was not illegal but Obama as president approved the false claims that Russia and Trump fixed the election results.
There is no way the report released by Democrats on Jan 6 of 2017 that published the false claims it was Russia working with Trump to elect Trump, unless Obama as president approved.

Sounds like you’re making shit up.