Let's Eliminate Government-Mandated Handicapped Parking Spots.

[Foxfyre]

What condition forces morbidly obese people to load their plate with brownies at the Golden Corral? Why is the obesity rate three times what it was in 1965?

What do I need to do to teach you that every obese person is not obese because they do that? I am not defending anyone who foolishly or intentionally abuses their body. But the argument is not WHY someone becomes disabled, but what constitutes disability. And why we should not judge another because we don't know why or what condition caused them to become disabled.

And whether able bodied compassionate people are harmed in any way by having to walk further to get to the store so that those who are no able bodied don't have to do that?

 

[Mac-7]

I didn't get pissed at you. I am debating an issue here with some pretty significant education in what I am debating.

Ok, my point still stands

The only reason anyone is complaining about handicap parking is because there is so much abuse

To imply there is any other reason is insulting

 

[Freedomisneverfree]

Okay, as a few of you might know, I am on dialysis. They remove all your blood in your body thorough a dialyzer and return it back to your body. It takes 4 hours. While you are running on the machine your BP falls to the 80's and you feel very weak.(your body thinks you are bleeding to death and it reacts) It takes all my energy to walk to the car after treatment so my doctor recommended I get a handicap placard. I feel like a bus hit me after treatment. I have one and also considered disabled by the SSA. Not every body makes it out of there. over 30 have died. If you don't go to your treatments or skip your treatment or try to leave early, it takes it's toll on your life.

So you can't always tell why someone parks in the handicap zone.

 

[Couchpotato]

What do I need to do to teach you that every obese person is not obese because they do that? I am not defending anyone who foolishly or intentionally abuses their body. But the argument is not WHY someone becomes disabled, but what constitutes disability. And why we should not judge another because we don't know why or what condition caused them to become disabled.

And whether able bodied compassionate people are harmed in any way by having to walk further to get to the store so that those who are no able bodied don't have to do that?

Obese people are harmed by being allowed to walk a shorter distance.

 

[Lesh]

What heart issues force a 400 pounder to load his plate with brownies at the Golden Corral?

Why mental problem makes you too lazy to get a temp handicap placard if you need one to keep you from whining?

 

[Mashmont]

What do I need to do to teach you that every obese person is not obese because they do that? I am not defending anyone who foolishly or intentionally abuses their body. But the argument is not WHY someone becomes disabled, but what constitutes disability. And why we should not judge another because we don't know why or what condition caused them to become disabled.

And whether able bodied compassionate people are harmed in any way by having to walk further to get to the store so that those who are no able bodied don't have to do that?

I repeat. Why is the obesity rate three times that of 1965?

 

[Lesh]

What heart issues force a 400 pounder to load his plate with brownies at the Golden Corral?

Look up edema jackass

 

[Foxfyre]

So Im right then. Diet is the main driver of obesity and is not a disability.

Smoking is a primary driver of COPD. Nevertheless advanced COPD is a disability.

Driving recklessly is a primary driver of auto accidents. Nevertheless, the careless driver who is in an accident with debilitating injuries is disabled.

Falling off a roof because you were careless can cause significant disability.

Where do you draw the line?

Contempt for and judgment of the obese and fat shaming is quite popular among Americans who do not suffer from that even though lifestyle may not be the reason for the obesity.

I choose compassion over judgment.

You are perfectly free to choose whatever seems right to you.

 

[Mashmont]

Look up edema jackass

Edema makes you eat six brownies at a sitting?

 

[Foxfyre]

I repeat. Why is the obesity rate three times that of 1965?

Because Americans live on processed food and are far more sedentary than people were in 1965.

Different topic for a different thread.

This one is whether we should do away with handicapped parking spaces for the obese but not for any other people with disabilities?

 

[Mashmont]

Smoking is a primary driver of COPD. Nevertheless advanced COPD is a disability.

Driving recklessly is a primary driver of auto accidents. Nevertheless, the careless driver who is in an accident with debilitating injuries is disabled.

Falling off a roof because you were careless can cause significant disability.

Where do you draw the line?

Contempt for and judgment of the obese and fat shaming is quite popular among Americans who do not suffer from that even though lifestyle may not be the reason for the obesity.

I choose compassion over judgment.

You are perfectly free to choose whatever seems right to you.

I choose compassion too but that doesn’t mean forcing businesses to jump through unreasonable hoops to put 2% of their customers ahead of the 98%

 

[Foxfyre]

Obese people are harmed by being allowed to walk a shorter distance.

Unless they cannot walk a longer distance. Or have some other condition that makes it difficult or inadvisable to do so. You can't tell that just by looking.

 

[Foxfyre]

I choose compassion, but that doesn’t mean forcing businesses to jump through unreasonable hoops

I believe you. But I honestly don't think having the required number of handicapped spaces is unreasonable just because we don't like the idea of fat people using them.

Best to keep these things in perspective. No law, no rule, no regulation is going to be perfect for every single situation. We just do the best we can for the large majority.

 

[Foxfyre]

I choose compassion too but that doesn’t mean forcing businesses to jump through unreasonable hoops to put 2% of their customers ahead of the 98%

There is one area I think should be mentioned. In a lot of strip malls and other areas where small businesses are located close together, it is common for a specified small number of parking places to be allocated for a particular business. It would be ridiculous to require a mom and pop business with two or three such allocated spaces to have to designate one as restricted to the handicapped. It should be enough that the strip mall itself provide a handicapped ramp to the common sidewalk or whatever.

 

[dblack]

The only reason anyone is complaining about handicap parking is because there is so much abuse

Actually, that's not the reason I oppose them. Even if we could achieve perfect compliance with the law, the question remains as to who gets the special perks and who doesn't. Government shouldn't be making that call.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

That's the problem with special rights for special people. Who's special? Who isn't?

It shouldn't matter.

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Especially when different states have different definitions for the word "disabled".

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[Mac-7]

Actually, that's not the reason I oppose them. Even if we could achieve perfect compliance with the law, the question remains as to who gets the special perks and who doesn't. Government shouldn't be making that call.

Ok, but I think most lean toward my position

 

[Unkotare]

Being overweight isn't a matter of being fortunate or unfortunate. It's a decision. If you are morbidly obese you are choosing to eat foods in make up or quantities which make you morbidly obese. Being overweight is a choice, it's not something that happens to you by accident.

How the hell do you know?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Sure. So what if it gives them a heart attack

You people are heartless assholes

The heartless asshole gives them wheelchairs and keeps feeding them.

 

[Couchpotato]

How the hell do you know?

Because science? If you dont eat anything for a month just drink water and take vitamin supplements. Will you gain weight, lose weight or stay the same weight?

How many people suffering from starvation are obese?