Lets clear up the confusion…Was the plan to only go after the worst, go after the worst first or was it to target the worst?

[Vrenn]

BluesLegend


You can’t make this type of TDS up. It’s incurable.

Speaking of TDS (Trump Deraignment Syndrome)

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Speaking of TDS (Trump Deraignment Syndrome)
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[citygator]

You ******* learn more picking strawberries and having a job than a classroom can ever teach you. This is the problem with you ******* people. You expect some kid to be coddled until they’re through college, never had a job, never learned any job skills at all to suddenly be productive at 22? ***** please. You would be doing your kid a ******* favor making them get a job.

Jesus Mike. First, my oldest is a second year resident MD who worked hard his whole life. My youngest is in his 3rd year of college and works in the kitchen of a chain restaurant which isnt an easy way to earn money. He can get a job in any kitchen in America because they never have enough workers. He doesnt want to do that menial work his whole life which is why he is in school.

Second. Either you dont know how jobs work or youre just typing words. Agriculture jobs are not near population centers and certainly not an after school job. Mike wants 15 year olds picking strawberries at night everyone!

Get a grip. If you were an employer you'd know there is a vast shortage of labor in America. We are at full employment. I am constantly hiring professionals in my role.

5% of all jobs in America are open. There are 2M more job openings than unemployed.

 

[j-mac]

Let me clarify for those of you who don’t use this process. I do. I have a few “Data Scientists” on my staff on

Workable process. Employers have to prove there is a shortage, fly in workers, pay for their housing, engage a lawyer to apply for permits, and several other deep cost activities.

That works for $100,000 data scientists, not for day laborers. That’s why the black market is so large. We need to:

• Streamline visa processing with digital tools and faster approvals.
• Create multi-employer or portable visas so workers can change jobs without leaving the country.
• Broaden eligibility across more industries.
• Increase caps/quotas

If it’s not easy and cost efficient you get a black market.

It’s more nuanced than what your laying out here gator.

First off, nowhere in the regulation for H2A visa holders does it specify that you must “fly them” home. It merely states that the employer must provide transportation from their last worksite back to their place of recruitment. They even give an example in the regulation.

1. “U.S. worker is recruited in Texas by a Michigan H-2A employer, and the worker goes on to a Wisconsin H-2A employer. The Wisconsin employer is responsible for transportation back to Texas.”

Nothing in that states they must be flown home to Mexico. The employer can buy them a bus ticket, and give them $50 for food, and send them to TX and that fulfills their requirements.

Now, you’re conflating them with skilled workers like Data Scientists from say India or wherever, that YOU recruit from India. That’s a different visa, and a different process.

Clarification of Transportation Requirements Under the H-2A Program

 

[j-mac]

Jesus Mike. First, my oldest is a second year resident MD who worked hard his whole life. My youngest is in his 3rd year of college and works in the kitchen of a chain restaurant which isnt an easy way to earn money. He can get a job in any kitchen in America because they never have enough workers. He doesnt want to do that menial work his whole life which is why he is in school.

Second. Either you dont know how jobs work or youre just typing words. Agriculture jobs are not near population centers and certainly not an after school job. Mike wants 15 year olds picking strawberries at night everyone!

Get a grip. If you were an employer you'd know there is a vast shortage of labor in America. We are at full employment. I am constantly hiring professionals in my role.

5% of all jobs in America are open. There are 2M more job openings than unemployed.

You are misrepresenting the different visa requirements. No one is saying that we shouldn’t have visa programs. We do.

What you’re saying is that ‘it’s too hard to abide by the regulations, so we need illegal immigrants.’ That’s nonsense.

 

[citygator]

It’s more nuanced than what your laying out here gator.

First off, nowhere in the regulation for H2A visa holders does it specify that you must “fly them” home. It merely states that the employer must provide transportation from their last worksite back to their place of recruitment. They even give an example in the regulation.

1. “U.S. worker is recruited in Texas by a Michigan H-2A employer, and the worker goes on to a Wisconsin H-2A employer. The Wisconsin employer is responsible for transportation back to Texas.”

Nothing in that states they must be flown home to Mexico. The employer can buy them a bus ticket, and give them $50 for food, and send them to TX and that fulfills their requirements.

Now, you’re conflating them with skilled workers like Data Scientists from say India or wherever, that YOU recruit from India. That’s a different visa, and a different process.

Clarification of Transportation Requirements Under the H-2A Program

Nice response. However, the nuance is if you dont have workers to get in the US you cant get them from Michigan/Wisconsin or whatever state. You either get them because they are already here, most undocumented, or you have to get them from their home country and we are talking about a lot of expense on hourly wages. I brough up data scientists under the other visa because the investment makes sense in that scenario.

If you dont want inexpensive fruit grown on US farms then they will shut down and strawberries will all be imported from Mexico. Maybe that is best for keeping cheap brown workers out of the US but it is not good for American fruit farms and people who want cheap US strawberries. Its all just a choice.

 

[j-mac]

Nice response. However, the nuance is if you dont have workers to get in the US you cant get them from Michigan/Wisconsin or whatever state. You either get them because they are already here, most undocumented, or you have to get them from their home country and we are talking about a lot of expense on hourly wages. I brough up data scientists under the other visa because the investment makes sense in that scenario.

Ok, however your sleight of hand there doesn’t work. It isn’t true.

1. If you recruit the workers in say, Laredo TX. you bus them from Laredo, to say Charlotte MI, then to WI, at the completion of the job, you bus them back from WI to Laredo TX, you have completed the circle, and fulfilled the requirements…Can we at least agree that’s NOT “flying them home”?

2. You don’t have to provide health insurance, and many other benefits for these people which is a huge cost savings over trying to hire American citizens for these jobs. Hell, I’m not even sure they require workman’s comp….So, don’t cry to us that you have to transport them. Makes you look like you want slaves.

If you dont want inexpensive fruit grown on US farms then they will shut down and strawberries will all be imported from Mexico. Maybe that is best for keeping cheap brown workers out of the US but it is not good for American fruit farms and people who want cheap US strawberries. Its all just a choice.

Can the farmer not grow anything else that has a higher ROI and can use automation to harvest? Or, are we going to stay with the “buggy whip” argument, because that’s the only way you can have your slaves?

Automation is coming to farms, doing away with the need for scores of foreign help. Isn’t technology great?

 

[Rawley]

Let me clarify for those of you who don’t use this process. I do. I have a few “Data Scientists” on my staff on

Workable process. Employers have to prove there is a shortage, fly in workers, pay for their housing, engage a lawyer to apply for permits, and several other deep cost activities.

That works for $100,000 data scientists, not for day laborers. That’s why the black market is so large. We need to:

• Streamline visa processing with digital tools and faster approvals.
• Create multi-employer or portable visas so workers can change jobs without leaving the country.
• Broaden eligibility across more industries.
• Increase caps/quotas

If it’s not easy and cost efficient you get a black market.

LOL Perhaps one of the several "$100,0000 data scientists" on your staff can explain the difference between H2A and H2B visas.

 

[j-mac]

Automation in agriculture offers solutions for farmers, but workers fear for their jobs

"We don't want to be replaced by machines," said one advocate for immigrant farmworkers.

www.cbsnews.com

Gators argument up in smoke.

 

[j-mac]

Hmmmm…Where’d Gator go? Seemed like he wanted to play?

Oh well, that’s what happens when you try to get clever, and get busted.

 

[BackAgain]

I find that I do have limitations. Telling you how stupid you are isn't one of them.

That’s because you’re brainless and suck at life and at everything.

Now run off, you gerbil.

“IQ2” is taken but if you wish to change your username, go with IQ0. Fits you like a glove.

 

[BackAgain]

Whether true or not, it is not your business.

You have enough of your own problems to be worrying about anyone else's.

Look ^ who’s babbling.

 

[j-mac]

Look ^ who’s babbling.

He’s admitting that it’s true….

 

[BackAgain]

My MAGAt neighbor already said that to me and he wasn't smiling. I responded with "You just signed your own death warrant". That means, like him, to NEVER have a firearm openly around me as the threat has already been given and I already told him (and you) what the response would be. Amateurs should never threaten Professionals.

Gfy. If you had an IQ, which you don’t, you’d grasp that I made no threat you *****.

Now, go **** your own ass with a dirty rusty asp.

By the way, don’t threaten me, ya **** rash.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Missouri Mike, jrawley, and j-mac are trapped in the idea of a 1950s, that, unfortunately, for them that no longer exists.

Guys, that's gone.

 

[BackAgain]

Missouri Mike, jrawley, and j-mac are trapped in the idea of a 1950s, that, unfortunately, for them that no longer exists.

Guys, that's gone.

 

[Vrenn]

Gfy. If you had an IQ, which you don’t, you’d grasp that I made no threat you *****.

Now, go **** your own ass with a dirty rusty asp.

By the way, don’t threaten me, ya **** rash.

Not a threat. It's a fact.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Look ^ who’s babbling.

says Da BackYetAgainBabbler

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Not a threat. It's a fact.

BackAgain is a ***** not a threat. He's nothing.

 

[Vrenn]

BackAgain is a ***** not a threat. He's nothing.

Most MAGAts I have met are long on the lip and short on the courage to back it up.