Let's celebrate the Right to Keep and Bear arms...something the rest of the world has surrendered....

[2aguy]

You said there were no school shootings in 2017.

Please explain why you ignore these shootings.

2017 Aztec High School shooting - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Rancho Tehama shootings - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Freeman High School (Washington) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Dipshit......you just linked to the Freeman Highschool data page....not the shooting page...

Don't worry, I looked it up for you.....

Once again....only one student was killed.....this is why it didn't trip the Mother Jones mass public shooting tracker and why it didn't even show up here on U.S.messageboard.......it doesn't even have a Wikipedia page dedicated to it....you doofus....

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/washington/articles/2021-11-16/trial-in-freeman-school-shooting-case-scheduled-for-jan-18

So........of the 3 shootings you want added...which do not meet the basic definition of mass public shooting.........

people were killed in 2017 at schools in what one could consider mass public shootings....vs. gang or crime releated shootings...


So...since 2012.... people were killed in school shootings.......


Since 2012 to 2019.....2019 the last year for CDC death data....

24,713 people age <1 to 18 were killed in cars.....

Also.....

 

[2aguy]

You said there were no school shootings in 2017.

Please explain why you ignore these shootings.

2017 Aztec High School shooting - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Rancho Tehama shootings - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Freeman High School (Washington) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Going through the Mother Jones Data base for mass public shootings and isolating school shootings at all levels including colleges and community colleges how many people were killed?

For your sake I also included the Aztec, Freeman and Tehama school shootings with their grand total of 3 people killed...no one having been actually killed in the Tehama school shooting......all deaths occurred in other locations....

Between 1992-2021

139

there are currently over 73 million children in the U.S.

Deer kill 200 people every single year.

Ladders kill 300 people every year....

Cars killed over 39,000 in 2019

Bathtubs kill 350 people a year....

Lawnmowers kill

US mass shootings, 1982–2024: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

The full data set from our in-depth investigation into mass shootings.

www.motherjones.com

139 children killed over 29 years............

To repeat....

139 children killed over 29 years....

2019 alone, 645 children ages <1 to 14 died of drowning.

2019 alone, 74 died from poisoning....

2019 alone, 1,282 died in car accidents........


For that number.....you want to ban 600 million guns, and stop over 21.5 millioin Americans who currently carry their legal guns in public for self defense..........


This is why you are insane and irrational......

Just for reference....and why we protect the 2nd Amendment.......

the national socialists murdered 1.5 million Jewish, Romani and other children..........their government.......and why we have the 2nd Amendment...

 

[2aguy]

Don't you? Many posters on this site appear to blame all Muslims for 9/11, forgetting or ignoring the fact that that atrocity was carried out by Saudis.

Hmmmmm...Saudis are not muslims??

 

[2aguy]

The rest of the world surrendered it for good reasons. Americans are too thick to see this.

Yes....the Europeans did what you want and first registered, then turned in their guns...on the promise it would make them all safer...this happened in the 1920s...

By the end of the 1930s, the registered guns were confiscated....and the mass murder began...

Did turning in their guns actually make them safer....the numbers of murder victims say no...

German socialists

By genocide, the murder of hostages, reprisal raids, forced labor, "euthanasia," starvation, exposure, medical experiments, and terror bombing, and in the concentration and death camps, the Nazis murdered from 15,003,000 to 31,595,000 people, most likely 20,946,000 men, women, handicapped, aged, sick, prisoners of war, forced laborers, camp inmates, critics, homosexuals, Jews, Slavs, Serbs, Germans, Czechs, Italians, Poles, French, Ukrainians, and many others. Among them 1,000,000 were children under eighteen years of age.1

And none of these monstrous figures even include civilian and military combat or war-deaths

http://[URL='http://hawaii.edu/powe...]http://hawaii.edu/powerkills/NAZIS.CHAP1.HTM

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[2aguy]

ANOTHER survey?

Survey's aren't factual, same crap Kleck tried nd failed.

OK dipshit.....answer these....


and again, any woman reading these posts....note that the left wing anti-gunners refuse to answer the following simple questions.......that should tell you all you need to know about you, your safety and where you rank in their beliefs......

A woman is grabbed by a violent serial rapist at a bus stop, a train platform or in her apartment...he plans on beating, raping and murdering her. She has a gun, and can stop the rape with the gun......

Do you want her to use that gun to stop the rape?

A woman stops an attack with a gun, a brutal rape, torture and murder...in a public space....if you had the ability to go back in time, and prevent her from having that gun...would you?
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The British government will not allow a woman to own and carry a gun to prevent being gang raped in a London park.....saying she does not have "good reason," to own the gun.

A member of the House of Lords wants to quail hunt with his rich friends on his private country estate, and the British government gives him the gun....because he has "good reason."

Does this make sense to you?

 

[Man of Ethics]

As you know...
For every gun used to commit murder, >10 are used in self-defense
For every gun used to commit suicide, >5 are used in self-0defense

Some studies say so.

That seems very strange. Justifiable homicide is rare.

 

[2aguy]

Some studies say so.

That seems very strange. Justifiable homicide is rare.

The reason dead criminals at the hand of armed citizens is rare is due to two things

1). Normal people do not want to shoot or kill anyone, even criminals.

2) except for the 238 or so really stupid
Criminals each year, most criminals do not want to be shot…..wounded or killed.

This is why most gun self defense events do not end in even wounding or death.

Criminals run away, or surrender, and then, even when shot, are wounded, not killed.

Only 238 or so criminals are stupid or unlucky and actually manage to push normal people into shooting them….

 

[candycorn]

I didn't ignore those shootings, they don't meet the FBI standard for mass public shootings....so much so Mother JOnes didn't even record them at the lower standard of 3 victims killed in the event, and even the anti-gun extremists, like you who pray to your god, "Government," didn't see these stories in the news so you could dance on the bodies of the dead, and smear their blood all over yourselves...

Lets tak a look and see what we find...



The standard for a mass public shooting according to the FBI is 3 killed...it used to be 4, but when there weren't enough mass public shootings to get news for obama's new gun control push, he loweered the standard to 3 people killed...

This didn't even meet that standard...

2017 Aztec High School shooting - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1). This shooter was another shooter the FBI new about...they knew who he was and investigated him...this is something that seems to happen a lot.........

2) He killed 2 people, not 3, so this doesn't qualify as a mass public shooting.....

US mass shootings, 1982–2021: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed. We adopted that baseline for fatalities when we gathered data in 2012 on three decades worth of cases.
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• Here is a description of the criteria we use:
  • The perpetrator took the lives of at least four people. A 2008 FBI report identifies an individual as a mass murderer—versus a spree killer or a serial killer—if he kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location. (*In 2013, the US government’s fatality baseline was revised down to three; our database reflects this change beginning from Jan. 2013, as detailed above.)
  • The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (Except in the case of the Columbine massacre and the Westside Middle School killings, which involved two shooters.)
  • The shootings occurred in a public place. (Except in the case of a party on private property in Crandon, Wisconsin, and another in Seattle, where crowds of strangers had gathered, essentially constituting a public crowd.) Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included, nor are mass killings that took place in private homes (often stemming from domestic violence).
  • Perpetrators who died or were wounded during the attack are not included in the victim tallies.
  • We included a handful of cases also known as “spree killings“—cases in which the killings occurred in more than one location, but still over a short period of time, that otherwise fit the above criteria.
  • ----------------------

Our research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker. We exclude shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence. (Or in which the perpetrators have not been identified.) Other news outlets and researchers have since published larger tallies that include a wide range of gun crimes in which four or more people have been either wounded or killed. While those larger datasets of multiple-victim shootings are useful for studying the broader problem of gun violence, our investigation provides an in-depth look at a distinct phenomenon—from the firearms used and mental health factors to the growing copycat problem. Tracking mass shootings is complex; we believe ours is the most useful approach for studying this specific phenomenon.

Shootings that take place at schools are not school shootings?

 

[candycorn]

So....if we buck the actual definition and include the Aztec shooting....

That makes 2 killed in public school shootings in 2017....

The Tehama school shooting wasn't a school shooting.....no one at the school was killed, he killed people before he got to the school and was trying to kill a child related to him......

Again, no one was killed at the school so it didn't trip the mass public shooting tracker at Mother JOnes, or even here on U.S.message....

Thing to note.......he had a restraining order and had his guns confiscated well before the shooting....and got guns illegally for the shooting, school was a gun free zone..

Rancho Tehama shootings - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

0 students or staff killed at the school

So....2017.....if you include the first school....2 killed.......in 2017 in school type shooting...out of 73 million children in the U.S...

Ahh...so kids and teachers merely being shot is no problem...you have to get killed for it to "matter"?

How long have you been this insane?

 

[candycorn]

Dipshit......you just linked to the Freeman Highschool data page....not the shooting page...

Don't worry, I looked it up for you.....

Once again....only one student was killed.....this is why it didn't trip the Mother Jones mass public shooting tracker and why it didn't even show up here on U.S.messageboard.......it doesn't even have a Wikipedia page dedicated to it....you doofus....

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/washington/articles/2021-11-16/trial-in-freeman-school-shooting-case-scheduled-for-jan-18

So........of the 3 shootings you want added...which do not meet the basic definition of mass public shooting.........

people were killed in 2017 at schools in what one could consider mass public shootings....vs. gang or crime releated shootings...


So...since 2012.... people were killed in school shootings.......


Since 2012 to 2019.....2019 the last year for CDC death data....

24,713 people age <1 to 18 were killed in cars.....

Also.....

"ONLY" one student was killed.....

This is what the 2nd Amendment has brought us.... that a kid can get killed and it is dismissed because the body count is not that high.



Wow.


Again, you seem to want to celebrate the 2nd amendment. Make sure you pick a date that coincides with an educational bloodbath....since that is what the 2nd Amendment is bringing us.

 

[2aguy]

Shootings that take place at schools are not school shootings?

Depends on when they happen. Is the school open at the time of the shooting……is the general school population the target or is it a domestic dispute? Is it a gang member shooting another gang member but no one else?

 

[2aguy]

Ahh...so kids and teachers merely being shot is no problem...you have to get killed for it to "matter"?

How long have you been this insane?

Are you this stupid? The FBI has a specific definition of mass public shooting….you have seen it over and over again……ask them

 

[2aguy]

"ONLY" one student was killed.....

This is what the 2nd Amendment has brought us.... that a kid can get killed and it is dismissed because the body count is not that high.



Wow.


Again, you seem to want to celebrate the 2nd amendment. Make sure you pick a date that coincides with an educational bloodbath....since that is what the 2nd Amendment is bringing us.

138 kids and or staff killed over 29 years……cars kill over 1000 kids every single year….

According to your standard we now must ban and confiscate all cars…dittos bathtubs that kill 350 people every year.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Some studies say so.

A study YOU use for reference.
Must be legit - right?

 

[candycorn]

Are you this stupid? The FBI has a specific definition of mass public shooting….you have seen it over and over again……ask them

Yes they do...

But we're not talking about the FBI definition...we're talking about school shootings. And you seem to think it's just peachy if kids are "only" shot and not killed. What in the fuck is wrong with you?

 

[candycorn]

138 kids and or staff killed over 29 years……cars kill over 1000 kids every single year….

According to your standard we now must ban and confiscate all cars…dittos bathtubs that kill 350 people every year.

According to your standard, we can accept a lot more gun deaths?

What in the fuck is wrong with you?

 

[2aguy]

According to your standard, we can accept a lot more gun deaths?

What in the fuck is wrong with you?

You shouldn’t drink when you are on meds…….you need to stop.

 

[2aguy]

Yes they do...

But we're not talking about the FBI definition...we're talking about school shootings. And you seem to think it's just peachy if kids are "only" shot and not killed. What in the fuck is wrong with you?

Put down the booze and call someone…..you need an AA meeting right away

 

[candycorn]

You shouldn’t drink when you are on meds…….you need to stop.

You never told us what school massacre are you planning to celebrate. That is the most damaging outcome of the centuries old 2nd Amendment...that and your bizarre acceptance of kids being murdered.

Really...what the fuck is wrong with you?

 

[2aguy]

You never told us what school massacre are you planning to celebrate. That is the most damaging outcome of the centuries old 2nd Amendment...that and your bizarre acceptance of kids being murdered.

Really...what the fuck is wrong with you?

138 people killed in 29 years?

cars killed over 39,000 in just 2019