Leftists

[pknopp]

I don't grasp what you not accepting it means. Are you going do do anything about it? If not, then you are accepting it whether you admit it or not. Your unacceptance is at best theoretical.

Sorry, I will enact new policies and funding for those policies later today.

 

[Eman623]

I have long argued we need to get together and try and address this issue.

Ok, here I am. What do you mean by "address the issue"? What issue? Speak plain! What exactly are you proposing?

 

[pknopp]

Ok, here I am. What do you mean by "address the issue"? What issue? Speak plain! What exactly are you proposing?

In many cases the shooter has documented mental health issues. We need to discuss as a country how we can better go about addressing these issues.

 

[Eman623]

Sorry, I will enact new policies and funding for those policies later today.

What policies? Be specific.

 

[Hafar1014]

With all of your hate toward Charlie Kirk can you explain what your political views are based on?

His were based on the following:

Jesus and Christianity
Family
Love of country

What exactly would you disagree with there?

Trans gender absurdity

 

[Eman623]

In many cases the shooter has documented mental health issues. We need to discuss as a country how we can better go about addressing these issues.

This is often true, but not in every case. But we can start there. How should we "address" it?

 

[pknopp]

This is often true, but not in every case. But we can start there. How should we "address" it?

That's the discussion we need to have but refuse to. I am no expert in the field so I won't play one on the internet.

 

[citygator]

This is often true, but not in every case. But we can start there. How should we "address" it?

Wasnt addressed to me, but I would be as requiring for owning a gun as we are a car. That is a start. You have to take drivers ed, pass a driving written test, pass a driving practical test and get your license renewed every few years.

Seems like a perfect process for owning a gun. Maybe add a psychological test every 5 years. Dont allow anyone under 30 to own one.

 

[Eman623]

That's the discussion we need to have but refuse to. I am no expert in the field so I won't play one on the internet.

With all due respect, I think as a country we've been discussing keeping guns out of the hands of mentally ill people for a while now. It's not that simple though. Are we talking about taking guns away from people who have committed no crimes, or do we go further and forcibly commit people? Is that constitutional? Where will we get the money?

I'm saddened that you're not going to join the discussion because you're not an "expert". I'm not one either.

Well. that was a short discussion. Glad we had it. It will sure make a difference and cause unacceptable gun deaths to drop.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Use Planatir to identify promotion of political and other violent acts.

Pursue those perpetrators swiftly and harshly. Domestic Terrorists sent to GITMO. Make a few public examples. It will stop.

 

[pknopp]

With all due respect, I think as a country we've been discussing keeping guns out of the hands of mentally ill people for a while now.

But doing nothing about it.

It's not that simple though. Are we talking about taking guns away from people who have committed no crimes, or do we go further and forcibly commit people? Is that constitutional? Where will we get the money?

Its always about money but we don't know what we can do until getting serious about the issue.

I'm saddened that you're not going to join the discussion because you're not an "expert". I'm not one either.

Well. that was a short discussion. Glad we had it. It will sure make a difference and cause unacceptable gun deaths to drop.

I'm discussing it. I'm just not pretending to have all the answers

 

[Man With A Plan]

Once again...I'm calling on everyone to put anyone who blames Charlie Kirk for his own assassination on ignore. If they don't have the common decency to condemn this then they need to be shunned.

 

[Eman623]

Wasnt addressed to me, but I would be as requiring for owning a gun as we are a car. That is a start. You have to take drivers ed, pass a driving written test, pass a driving practical test and get your license renewed every few years.

Seems like a perfect process for owning a gun. Maybe add a psychological test every 5 years. Dont allow anyone under 30 to own one.

I have no problem with requiring gun owners to demonstrate they can own one safely. Not sure why you would need to demonstrate that every few years. Once should be enough.

As for age limits, lots of youngsters learn gun safety at an early age. I see no reason to deny them until some 30. And for the psychological test, who designs the test? I'm concerned some jurisdictions will just use it as a backdoor ban. "Oh, you got a prescription for Ativan 20 years ago for anxiety? Sorry, no guns for you, ever!"

 

[midcan5]

This thread is an example of why there is so much division in America today. What is a 'leftist" but name calling and categorizing other Americans based on nothing. I am, if we use reality more conservative than most, but would be labeled a leftist as I believe in freedom and respect for all regardless of ethnicity etc etc etc.

The thread poster is an example of hate as he labels people he disagrees with rather than counter their politics, positions and reasons. Kinda simple but complex too.

 

[OODA_Loop]

This thread is an example of why there is so much division in America today. What is a 'leftist" but name calling and categorizing other Americans based on nothing. I am, if we use reality more conservative than most, but would be labeled a leftist as I believe in freedom and respect for all regardless of ethnicity etc etc etc.

The thread poster is an example of hate as he labels people he disagrees with rather than counter their politics, positions and reasons. Kinda simple but complex too.

In the context of Charlie Kirk and his messaging - Left and Right are very clearly delineated.

 

[Eman623]

But doing nothing about it.

Not nothing. There are red flag now.

Its always about money but we don't know what we can do until getting serious about the issue.

We're never going to prevent all gun deaths unless we take away all the guns. If you're not willing to do that, then you are accepting some level of deaths whether you admit it or not.

I'm discussing it. I'm just not pretending to have all the answers

Mmm Hmm. So far, you haven't shown me you have any answers, proposals, ideas, anything. All I'm seeing is an amorphous "don't just stand there, do something!" attitude. One suspects you are trying to have your cake and eat it too.

 

[pknopp]

This thread is an example of why there is so much division in America today. What is a 'leftist" but name calling and categorizing other Americans based on nothing. I am, if we use reality more conservative than most, but would be labeled a leftist as I believe in freedom and respect for all regardless of ethnicity etc etc etc.

The thread poster is an example of hate as he labels people he disagrees with rather than counter their politics, positions and reasons. Kinda simple but complex too.

I don't support "Show me your papers" but despite fully supporting the 2nd Amendment I'm a "Leftist".

I don't support a president threatening to remove citizenship from people but despite being pro-life, I'm a leftist.

 

[pknopp]

Not nothing. There are red flag now.


We're never going to prevent all gun deaths unless we take away all the guns. If you're not willing to do that, then you are accepting some level of deaths whether you admit it or not.

No, I do not accept any level but acknowledge it will happen.

Mmm Hmm. So far, you haven't shown me you have any answers, proposals, ideas, anything. All I'm seeing is an amorphous "don't just stand there, do something!" attitude. One suspects you are trying to have your cake and eat it too.

It's not about me. No one is going to come to me for answers.

 

[citygator]

I have no problem with requiring gun owners to demonstrate they can own one safely. Not sure why you would need to demonstrate that every few years. Once should be enough.

As for age limits, lots of youngsters learn gun safety at an early age. I see no reason to deny them until some 30. And for the psychological test, who designs the test? I'm concerned some jurisdictions will just use it as a backdoor ban. "Oh, you got a prescription for Ativan 20 years ago for anxiety? Sorry, no guns for you, ever!"

Almost all random shooters are young men with access to guns. Young men are not stable and are quite dangerous. I would deny them guns until they are stable which is 30. Its a community safety tradeoff. Like the reason you need to be 16 to drive or 21 to drink or 25 to rent a car or 35 to be president.

Id require owners to demonstrate competency every few years to maintain a high level of safety training. I dont think that is a big deal.

We'll need to sacrifice some convenience or else you are right... we've accepted the killing of children as ok.

 

[Eman623]

No, I do not accept any level but acknowledge it will happen.

Ok, you have a different definition of "accept" than Charlie Kirk I do.

If we found gun deaths truly unacceptable, we would ban guns. If you're not willing to do that, then you are in fact willing to accept some number of them.

It's not about me. No one is going to come to me for answers.

It's certainly not about you. You are not even really part of the discussion.