Leftist sympathy for the Palestinians

Historian Bob Weinberg traces the roots
Yawn, not interested in wading through one of your cut and paste jobs.


After starting and losing World War I, the unpopularity of Kaiser Wilhelm II extended far beyond German Jews.

As far as the Arabs are concerned, all of Israel is less than one percent of all Arab land. If the Arabs do not like the state of Israel that is just too bad.

The Kaiser didn't start WWI. The Jewish Socialists did really screw Germany though... and their brethren paid for it.

again, look at the Crusades. All those crusaders wanted was a sliver of land. Didn't keep it though, did they?

All the Israelis want to do is to live in peace on a tiny sliver of land bordering the Mediterranean Sea. That tiny sliver makes up less than one percent of all Arab land.

Then they need to find a sliver of land where they are actually welcome.
 
The Kaiser didn't start WWI. The Jewish Socialists did really screw Germany though... and their brethren paid for it.

again, look at the Crusades. All those crusaders wanted was a sliver of land. Didn't keep it though, did they?

Then they need to find a sliver of land where they are actually welcome.
Kaiser Wilhelm II started World War I when he declared war on Russia. In doing so he changed what had been a local conflict restricted to the Balkans to a war involving all of Europe. I am surprised that you did not learn that majoring in history.

You should have also learned that Jews did not dominate the German Social Democratic Party at the time. Anyway, claiming that "Jewish Socialists" somehow caused the Holocaust means that you are worse than a Holocaust denier; you are a Holocaust approver.

Arabs were able to expel the Crusaders because the Arab world was at the time united, and the most advanced civilization to the west of China. It may have been the most advanced civilization in the world. Europe was climbing out of the Dark Ages.

Currently history has bypassed the Arab world. It is not coming back. When cost effective, environmentally benign alternatives are developed to replace petroleum the Arab world will be even less powerful than it is now.

Finally, most Arab countries are learning that they have more important concerns than the well being of the Palestinians.
 
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Most people have no brain function. Whatever the media tells them to do and think they do and think.
By siding the Palestinians, leftists in Europe and the United States expose their hostility to European civilization.

European civilization nurtured the Left. The dichotomy between left and right originated during the French Revolution. When the French National Assembly was viewed from the rear, delegates for the monarchy, the established Roman Catholic Church, and the aristocracy sat on the right. Delegates for the Commons sat on the left.

When Karl Marx lived in London he was never harassed by the police. He did most of his research for Das Kapital for free, in the Reading Room of the British Museum.
 
Hector the Cockroach scurries out from under the Floorboards.

Kaiser Wilhelm II started World War I when he declared war on Russia. In doing so he changed what had been a local conflict restricted to the Balkans to a war involving all of Europe. I am surprised that you did not learn that majoring in history.

Nope, Kaiser Wilhelm was aiding an ally that was being attacked. The French and British took advantage and we got a largely unnecessary world war. Then the Jews stabbed Germany in the back, which is why they were hated after the war.

You should have also learned that Jews did not dominate the German Social Democratic Party at the time. Anyway, claiming that "Jewish Socialists" somehow caused the Holocaust means that you are worse than a Holocaust denier; you are a Holocaust approver.

Again, 8 of the top revolutionaries in 1918 were Jews. Hitler didn't just pick a name out of a hat. To understand why Hitler happened, you have to understand just how bad things got in Germany between 1918 and 1933.

Arabs were able to expel the Crusaders because the Arab world was at the time united, and the most advanced civilization to the west of China. It may have been the most advanced civilization in the world. Europe was climbing out of the Dark Ages.

Actually, it was hardly united, as there were multiple emirates and Kingdoms.

Currently history has bypassed the Arab world. It is not coming back. When cost effective, environmentally benign alternatives are developed to replace petroleum the Arab world will be even less powerful than it is now.

Actually, the Arabs will still be around long after Israel and probably America are gone. Heck, given the current state of American politics, I wonder how much longer this country has gotten. A country that would think Trump was a good idea is probably doomed.

Finally, most Arab countries are learning that they have more important concerns than the well being of the Palestinians.

Not really, guy. Again, you are mistaking what a few unelected Kings and dictators will do for a little foreign aid for what the will of their people are. EVERY last Arab country, even the ones who signed the Abraham Accords, voted against Israel in the UN (as did most of Europe, Asia, and Latin America.)

By siding the Palestinians, leftists in Europe and the United States expose their hostility to European civilization.

European civilization nurtured the Left. The dichotomy between left and right originated during the French Revolution. When the French National Assembly was viewed from the rear, delegates for the monarchy, the established Roman Catholic Church, and the aristocracy sat on the right. Delegates for the Commons sat on the left.

When Karl Marx lived in London he was never harassed by the police. He did most of his research for Das Kapital for free, in the Reading Room of the British Museum.

You are a little confused, buddy.

I remember back when I was a dumb college conservative, and there was this smarmy liberal Jew who went on and on about South Africa to try to impress the black kids about how he was down with the struggle. And my retort then was "How is that any different than how the Israelis treat the Palestinians?" Man, you should have seen this guy start blubbering, it was a sight to behold.

The reality is that the left has concluded - rightfully- that white supremacy, imperialism, colonialism, etc. are wrong. It's why the only friends you find on this forum are the extreme right racists. Some liberals want a carve out for Israel, (because they are feeling a sad over something that happened 80 years ago) but it's just not intellectually sustainable.

This should be said of the Palestinians. No one wants them.

Except that many Palestinians live in Jordan, Lebanon, and Egypt (and quite a few in the US, which is why Harris is trying to thread the needle). But most people who are sensible realize that the theft of their homeland was wrong.
 
Hector the Cockroach scurries out from under the Floorboards.



Nope, Kaiser Wilhelm was aiding an ally that was being attacked. The French and British took advantage and we got a largely unnecessary world war. Then the Jews stabbed Germany in the back, which is why they were hated after the war.



Again, 8 of the top revolutionaries in 1918 were Jews. Hitler didn't just pick a name out of a hat. To understand why Hitler happened, you have to understand just how bad things got in Germany between 1918 and 1933.



Actually, it was hardly united, as there were multiple emirates and Kingdoms.



Actually, the Arabs will still be around long after Israel and probably America are gone. Heck, given the current state of American politics, I wonder how much longer this country has gotten. A country that would think Trump was a good idea is probably doomed.



Not really, guy. Again, you are mistaking what a few unelected Kings and dictators will do for a little foreign aid for what the will of their people are. EVERY last Arab country, even the ones who signed the Abraham Accords, voted against Israel in the UN (as did most of Europe, Asia, and Latin America.)



You are a little confused, buddy.

I remember back when I was a dumb college conservative, and there was this smarmy liberal Jew who went on and on about South Africa to try to impress the black kids about how he was down with the struggle. And my retort then was "How is that any different than how the Israelis treat the Palestinians?" Man, you should have seen this guy start blubbering, it was a sight to behold.

The reality is that the left has concluded - rightfully- that white supremacy, imperialism, colonialism, etc. are wrong. It's why the only friends you find on this forum are the extreme right racists. Some liberals want a carve out for Israel, (because they are feeling a sad over something that happened 80 years ago) but it's just not intellectually sustainable.



Except that many Palestinians live in Jordan, Lebanon, and Egypt (and quite a few in the US, which is why Harris is trying to thread the needle). But most people who are sensible realize that the theft of their homeland was wrong.
How did Kaiser
Hector the Cockroach scurries out from under the Floorboards.



Nope, Kaiser Wilhelm was aiding an ally that was being attacked. The French and British took advantage and we got a largely unnecessary world war. Then the Jews stabbed Germany in the back, which is why they were hated after the war.



Again, 8 of the top revolutionaries in 1918 were Jews. Hitler didn't just pick a name out of a hat. To understand why Hitler happened, you have to understand just how bad things got in Germany between 1918 and 1933.



Actually, it was hardly united, as there were multiple emirates and Kingdoms.



Actually, the Arabs will still be around long after Israel and probably America are gone. Heck, given the current state of American politics, I wonder how much longer this country has gotten. A country that would think Trump was a good idea is probably doomed.



Not really, guy. Again, you are mistaking what a few unelected Kings and dictators will do for a little foreign aid for what the will of their people are. EVERY last Arab country, even the ones who signed the Abraham Accords, voted against Israel in the UN (as did most of Europe, Asia, and Latin America.)



You are a little confused, buddy.

I remember back when I was a dumb college conservative, and there was this smarmy liberal Jew who went on and on about South Africa to try to impress the black kids about how he was down with the struggle. And my retort then was "How is that any different than how the Israelis treat the Palestinians?" Man, you should have seen this guy start blubbering, it was a sight to behold.

The reality is that the left has concluded - rightfully- that white supremacy, imperialism, colonialism, etc. are wrong. It's why the only friends you find on this forum are the extreme right racists. Some liberals want a carve out for Israel, (because they are feeling a sad over something that happened 80 years ago) but it's just not intellectually sustainable.



Except that many Palestinians live in Jordan, Lebanon, and Egypt (and quite a few in the US, which is why Harris is trying to thread the needle). But most people who are sensible realize that the theft of their homeland was wrong.
How did Kaiser Wilhelm II help anyone in the Balkans by declaring war on Russia?

The inflation that hit Germany in the early 1920's happened because Germany fought largely with deficit spending, expecting an early victory, that would have enabled Germany to pay off the war debts with French reparations.

By the end of the War Kaiser Wilhelm II was not a popular person in Germany.

In Mein Kampf Hitler said that he was initially sympathetic toward Jews. He only began to hate Jews after he failed in his efforts to become an artist and an architect. Living in Vienna Hitler saw many successful Jewish artists and architects. Resentment of Jewish success is the source of Jew hate.
 
How did Kaiser Wilhelm II help anyone in the Balkans by declaring war on Russia?

Because Russia declared war on Austria-Hungary after Serbians murdered their Arch-Duke.... hello. This is like basic history, Cockroach.

The inflation that hit Germany in the early 1920's happened because Germany fought largely with deficit spending, expecting an early victory, that would have enabled Germany to pay off the war debts with French reparations.

Yes, the Jews who were in charge of the country in the Weimar Era really jug-fucked things. That's why people turned to the Nazis. (It's also why my grandparents left, but that's another story.)

By the end of the War Kaiser Wilhelm II was not a popular person in Germany.

No, he wasn't. It was still treasonous of the Socialist Jews to foment the revolution that overthrew him. I mean, you get this, right? That the 1918 revolutionaries really jug-fucked the country and agreed to an awful peace treaty that cost Germany all her colonies, 1/6th of her land, and put crippling debts on her.

So Hitler came out with Macht Deutschland Weider Gross, and the Germans were all for it. And much like MAGA scapegoats Mexicans and Chinese, the Nazis scapegoated the jews.

In Mein Kampf Hitler said that he was initially sympathetic toward Jews. He only began to hate Jews after he failed in his efforts to become an artist and an architect. Living in Vienna Hitler saw many successful Jewish artists and architects. Resentment of Jewish success is the source of Jew hate.

I realize that Mein Kampf is your wank material, but I really don't care.

The problem isn't why Hitler thought what he thought, it's why so many Germans went along with it. Just like Trump isn't the problem, it's his fucking followers.
 
Because Russia declared war on Austria-Hungary after Serbians murdered their Arch-Duke.... hello. This is like basic history, Cockroach.
The first declaration of war happened in July 28, 1914. It was by Austria Hungary against Serbia.

The second declaration of war happened in August 1 and August 3, 1914. It was by Germany against russia, Bulgaria, and France. That is what made the war European.

 
The first declaration of war happened in July 28, 1914. It was by Austria Hungary against Serbia.

The second declaration of war happened in August 1 and August 3, 1914. It was by Germany against russia, Bulgaria, and France. That is what made the war European.

Bulgaria was on Germany's side. (I'm sure you meant Belgium.)

When the war was declared meaningless, France and Russia had already started mobilizing.
 
You express many of the excuses for Jew hate I have read in Mein Kampf.
Okay, not sure what your point is.

Disliking a religion with fucked up values is perfectly acceptable.

Wanting to murder them all, isn't.

I'm against genocide against anyone, even people I dislike.

No, Utah would not be empty if I had Thanos' glove.
 
Many Europeans and Americans on the Left side with the Palestinians against Israel. Nevertheless, I am confident that they would rather live in Israel than in any Muslim country in the world.

In Muslim countries rape victims are often punished.

A gay rights demonstration in a Muslim country is unthinkable. By the time the police arrived to arrest the demonstrators they would have been beaten to death by a raving mob of Muslims.

By all means go be gay in Israel.
 
Okay, not sure what your point is.
Your hatred of Jews and Hitler's hatred of Jews are equally contrived. It is obvious that the hate comes first; the excuses come next. Your argument that there was any legitimacy to Nazi hatred for Jews exposes serious character flaws.

Times were hard in Germany during the 1920's because rich and powerful German Gentiles made the mistake of entering and losing World War I.

When times are hard for a population, they are hard for Jews in that population too. Nevertheless, they are not quite as hard for the Jews because they tend to be more intelligent, and consequently less impoverished.

When Gentiles are angry about their declining fortunes some are reluctant to direct that anger at rich people of their ethnicity. They find it easy to hate rich Jews. Hatred of rich Jews easily segues to hatred of all Jews, some of whom are poor.
 
Your hatred of Jews and Hitler's hatred of Jews are equally contrived. It is obvious that the hate comes first; the excuses come next. Your argument that there was any legitimacy to Nazi hatred for Jews exposes serious character flaws.

Nope, just an understanding of history that isn't white-washed.

Times were hard in Germany during the 1920's because rich and powerful German Gentiles made the mistake of entering and losing World War I.

Nope, it was because socialists stabbed the German people in the back...Shit, Germany was winning the war before that! The knocked out Russia and had a boot on France's neck.

When times are hard for a population, they are hard for Jews in that population too. Nevertheless, they are not quite as hard for the Jews because they tend to be more intelligent, and consequently less impoverished.
In short, while everyone else is struggling to get by, the Jew thinks, "How can I take advantage of this situation?" Then they wonder why people turn on them.
 
Nope, just an understanding of history that isn't white-washed.



Nope, it was because socialists stabbed the German people in the back...Shit, Germany was winning the war before that! The knocked out Russia and had a boot on France's neck.


In short, while everyone else is struggling to get by, the Jew thinks, "How can I take advantage of this situation?" Then they wonder why people turn on them.
Germany was winning on the Eastern Front, but losing big time on the Western Front. Jews had nothing to do with it. America's entry into the War did.

The only area where Jews are obviously different from other demographics is that they have higher average intelligence. I am reasonably confident that Jewish rates of crime and illegitimacy are comparable, or lower than rates for white Gentiles, but I have not found data on it.
 
Germany was winning on the Eastern Front, but losing big time on the Western Front. Jews had nothing to do with it. America's entry into the War did.

But from the perspective of the average German, they were still winning, not one enemy boot on German soil, and then these Jews overthrow the Kaiser.

The only area where Jews are obviously different from other demographics is that they have higher average intelligence. I am reasonably confident that Jewish rates of crime and illegitimacy are comparable, or lower than rates for white Gentiles, but I have not found data on it.

Are you still upset black people are getting laid and you aren't?
 
Guy, while I am sure you pleasure yourself to your copy of Mein Kampf every night, the reality is that the disenfranchisement of the Palestinian People is a crime against humanity that needs to be rectified.
Perhaps the palestinian people should have considered disenfranchisement before they started killing Jews.
 
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